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[jlb524]

Hey Unata! Long time no see!



Oh, and these Liara pics are awesome!

[IndigoWolfe]

That looks like one of Jlb's Shepards...

*Edit; never mind, figured it out*

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 02 juillet 2010 - 02:58 .

[bjdbwea]

Master Wolf wrote...

Do you belive that Liara have passed the last two years imagening and waiting for that future or do you belive that she have convinced herself that it will never happen because Shepard will hate her?

I like to believe that part of her believe that Shepard will never hate her that he loves her to much to hate her and that she continues to dream about her happy future with Shepard.

That's interesting, I like to think the same. If you believe that their relationship was one of two people made for each other, and that they built a real understanding during their time together, then I think she would know inside that Shepard couldn't hate her. But she might have feared that Shepard could turn out to be an abomination or Cerberus slave, and of course Shepard's feelings could have been gone then. Yet if only the two would talk properly, that fear should quickly be dissolved too.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 02 juillet 2010 - 02:58 .

[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

That's interesting, I like to think the same. If you believe that their relationship was one of two people made for each other, and that they built a real understanding during their time together, then I think she would know inside that Shepard couldn't hate her. But she might have feared that Shepard could turn out to be an abomination or Cerberus slave, and of course Shepard's feelings could have been gone then. Yet if only the two would talk properly, that fear should quickly be dissolved too.

Even so, I think the fear is still there for Liara (and maybe even Shepard) that the other has moved on and the relationship will never be exactly how it was before.  A lot has happened that can change people...the circumstances have changed, it is understandable that the relationship will also change.  It could even change for the better, ultimately, but Liara probably fears that it has all changed for the worse.

[jlb524]

Cartims wrote...

True love conquers all!

Of course, in the end.

It's not conquering anything right now.

[IndigoWolfe]

Cartims wrote...

True love conquers all!

No double entendre? I'm surprised at you, Cartims.

[jlb524]

Cartims wrote...

Only through great suffering can we fully know joy!

I hope you are right.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Even so, I think the fear is still there for Liara (and maybe even Shepard) that the other has moved on and the relationship will never be exactly how it was before.  A lot has happened that can change people...the circumstances have changed, it is understandable that the relationship will also change.  It could even change for the better, ultimately, but Liara probably fears that it has all changed for the worse.

I think that this is what will eventually happen. If Liara and Shepard's relationship and love for each other survives through this adversity, and the power of their love endures through this strife, then it will be stronger than ever. Absolutely nothing could ever break them apart. True love and romance!

That's what I'm talkin' bout...that's why the bad times are good....they can create a stronger love/bond.

[bjdbwea]

jlb524 wrote...

Even so, I think the fear is still there for Liara (and maybe even Shepard) that the other has moved on and the relationship will never be exactly how it was before.  A lot has happened that can change people...the circumstances have changed, it is understandable that the relationship will also change.  It could even change for the better, ultimately, but Liara probably fears that it has all changed for the worse.

I think Shepard would have more to fear actually. What changed for Shepard? Not much. Was unconscious for almost the whole time after all. "Moving on", how? I like to think that Liara was my Shepard's first thought after waking up. On the other hand, Liara did have two years where "moving on" might have been a possibility. Yet my canon at least is that Shepard, too, knows that she wouldn't.

[IndigoWolfe]

Cartims wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Cartims wrote...

True love conquers all!

No double entendre? I'm surprised at you, Cartims.

Hi Indy........I missed you *kiss*......put that where you want it!

Missed me? Hardly, I'm sure.

And I'm afraid to say that you missed your mark, this time. My mind went somewhere benign first. Perhaps your methods are loosing their effectiveness?

[Master Wolf]

I think that Liara knows Shepard better than any one else and she also know how much he loves her that he loves her more than anything else. Shepard also knows Liara beter than any one else and  he also know how much she loves him that she also loves more than anything else. Any fear that might existe is a irrational fear because they are both sure that their love is strong enought to resist even death.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 02 juillet 2010 - 03:25 .

[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

I think Shepard would have more to fear actually. What changed for Shepard? Not much. Was unconscious for almost the whole time after all. "Moving on", how? I like to think that Liara was my Shepard's first thought after waking up. On the other hand, Liara did have two years where "moving on" might have been a possibility. Yet my canon at least is that Shepard, too, knows that she wouldn't.

Yeah, my Shepard is the same, but she does also realize that she's been dead for two years.   That knowledge alone would change how one begins to perceive the world and people around them.

She hasn't moved on at all from Liara and still loves her deeply.  Liara, though, may fear that she will move on from her, not knowing any better, thinking she will be angry with her for handing the body over to Cerberus, thinking that she has changed somewhat, etc.

[IndigoWolfe]

Master Wolf wrote...

I think that Liara knows Shepard better than any one else and she also know how much he loves her that he loves her more than anything else. Shepard also knows Liara beter than any one and how much she loves him that she also loves more than anything else. Any fear that might existe is a irrational fear because they are both sure that their love is strong enought to resist even death.

But with death comes doubt. And fear is not always irrational. And niether are people, especially fearful people. Something I think Liara fears more than ever is making a mistake. She most likely feels that a mistake in Redemption; screwing up and getting Feron captured or killed. And she has to wonder if she had made a much graver mistake when she gave Shepard to be used Cerberus.

And as Liara said; two years is a long time. For two years Liara has had to bury her feelings, love amongst others. I also believe that Shepard and Liara's love is strong enough to endure the tribulations they're going through, but they don't know that yet.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeah, which is where Liara's compassionate nature and social unease comes into play. Most people would realise it would be foolish to fear that the person who loves you would hate you for what Liara has done. Especially considering the circumstances at the time. But Liara feels so deeply for Shepard and has such tremendous empathy, that she believes that she has damned Shepard to a tortured existence, and self-loathes because of that. All due to the fact that she wanted Shepard revived.

Yeah, if you think about it, Cerberus could have done many, many horrendous and terrible things to Shepard's corpse...perhaps even worse than what the Collectors would have done.  Cerberus, of course, isn't quite the galactic threat that the Collectors/Reapers are, plus, they are human like Shepard, so it doesn't seem as bad to hand the corpse to them as it does to the Collectors.  That still doesn't mean they wouldn't do something terrible with it...Liara took a great risk giving Shepard to Cerberus, and I feel this has haunted her thoughts constantly for 2 years.

[bjdbwea]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

For two years Liara has had to bury her feelings, love amongst others. I also believe that Shepard and Liara's love is strong enough to endure the tribulations they're going through, but they don't know that yet.

That's certainly how proper story telling would continue their story in ME 3. I only hope the writers at BioWare are able to deliver proper story telling in ME 3.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 02 juillet 2010 - 03:50 .