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[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Maybe too much pain, suffering and torment has almost temporarily numbed Liara's feelings and emotions entirely? Who knows. She's been through a hell of a lot.

I don't think that was what happened to Liara IMO for two years Liara had no reason to live beside the hope that cerebus are able to bring Shepard back. The only good thing that she had after the end of ME1 was taken from her so she is somewhat angry with life and she doesn't care anymore about the people aroud her like she used to. So her lack of emotions in ME2 is more or less like Shepard he have been two years death so he is still geting used to be alive again and also geting used to feel emotion again the same happens with Liara when Shepard died she felt that she died with him so only now she is once again geting used to be alive.

[Master Wolf]

*double post*

Modifié par Master Wolf, 02 juillet 2010 - 03:50 .

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, if you think about it, Cerberus could have done many, many horrendous and terrible things to Shepard's corpse...perhaps even worse than what the Collectors would have done.  Cerberus, of course, isn't quite the galactic threat that the Collectors/Reapers are, plus, they are human like Shepard, so it doesn't seem as bad to hand the corpse to them as it does to the Collectors.  That still doesn't mean they wouldn't do something terrible with it...Liara took a great risk giving Shepard to Cerberus, and I feel this has haunted her thoughts constantly for 2 years.

This is Liara questioning herself if her desicion was correct but IMO this should not make Liara think that Shepard would hate her for it because she did it for love and she know that Shepard would do the same thing if he were in her place because he also cant live without her.

[jlb524]

Master Wolf wrote...

This is Liara questioning herself if her desicion was correct but IMO this should not make Liara think that Shepard would hate her for it because she did it for love and she know that Shepard would do the same thing if he were in her place because he also cant live without her.

Maybe your Shepard, but not every Shepard.  First, Liara doesn't love all Shepards equally, so she can't be doing this purely out of love.

Second, I know that some Shepards that had romanced her were upset that she had given the body up, and were angry with her/blamed her for their current predicamate.  The option is there to do this, in the dialog.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

Maybe your Shepard, but not every Shepard.  First, Liara doesn't love all Shepards equally, so she can't be doing this purely out of love.

Second, I know that some Shepards that had romanced her were upset that she had given the body up, and were angry with her/blamed her for their current predicamate.  The option is there to do this, in the dialog.

Yeah that's more a personal view than a more global one.

But I don't see why Shepard would blame Liara for they current predicament if they prefer to be death insted of working for cerebus or going after the reapers they can always kill themselvs and everything will like before Liara have recover Shepard body. 

Modifié par Master Wolf, 02 juillet 2010 - 04:17 .

[ratzerman]

Picture time!

[jlb524]

Master Wolf wrote...

Yeah that's more a personal view than a more global one.

But I don't see why Shepard would blame Liara for they current predicament if they prefer to be death insted of working for cerebus or going after the reapers they can always kill themselvs and everything will like before Liara have recover Shepard body. 

Some are survivors of Akuze and really hate and distrust Cerberus.  Some are uber-uber-Paragon and judge Liara harshly for what she did with the body.

My Shepard is fine with it...she realizes Liara did the best thing (and the only thing, really) and since it seems like nothing went wrong (no control-chip or anything) she's perfectly OK with what Liara did.  Others don't feel this way, of course. 

There could still be things that Cerberus did to Shepard that we just do not know about yet, and they could be bad...this worries me.

[jlb524]

ratzerman wrote...

Picture time!

Yes!! 

[jlb524]

I freakin' love that picture!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

Some are survivors of Akuze and really hate and distrust Cerberus.  Some are uber-uber-Paragon and judge Liara harshly for what she did with the body.

My Shepard is fine with it...she realizes Liara did the best thing (and the only thing, really) and since it seems like nothing went wrong (no control-chip or anything) she's perfectly OK with what Liara did.  Others don't feel this way, of course. 

There could still be things that Cerberus did to Shepard that we just do not know about yet, and they could be bad...this worries me.

But all Shepards acept to work for cerebus because there no other option Liara also don't have another option like I said before blaming Liara for handing the body to cerebus is hypocrital since Shepard agree to work with them even with TIM saying before Freedom Proguess that if Shepard don't find the answers that he find there good Shepard and cerebus can part ways.

[ratzerman]

jlb524 wrote...

I freakin' love that picture!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, it's one of my favorites too!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Master Wolf wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Some are survivors of Akuze and really hate and distrust Cerberus.  Some are uber-uber-Paragon and judge Liara harshly for what she did with the body.

My Shepard is fine with it...she realizes Liara did the best thing (and the only thing, really) and since it seems like nothing went wrong (no control-chip or anything) she's perfectly OK with what Liara did.  Others don't feel this way, of course. 

There could still be things that Cerberus did to Shepard that we just do not know about yet, and they could be bad...this worries me.

But all Shepards acept to work for cerebus because there no other option Liara also don't have another option like I said before blaming Liara for handing the body to cerebus is hypocrital since Shepard agree to work with them even with TIM saying before Freedom Proguess that if Shepard don't find the answers that he find there good Shepard and cerebus can part ways.

I think the only reason TIM told Shepard that was to give him the illusion of free will/choice. He knew that Shepard would find evidence at Freedoms progress. Remind me of the G-man from Half-life.

"Rather than offering you the illusion of free choice, I will take the liberety of choosing for you."

Also on a side note: While I think the whole "afraid of giving the body to Cerberus" is a great thing for Liara to be afraid of when it comes to a paragon Shepard. It just seems so silly when she says it to my pro-human renegade Shepard.

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Wolf, I don't think J is agreeing with how some people have their Shepards react to Liara's revelation about her part in the recovery of Shepard's corpse. I certainly do not, and I'm sure J doesn't either. What she's doing is merely presenting a differing viewpoint, one that she happens to disagree with. That's all it is.

Like I said, I think that Shepards who get pissed at Liara at that point and selfish and conceited.

I know that J don't agree with people blaming Liara for handing the body. What I'm trying to say is that IMO there is no good reason to blame Liara.

[jlb524]

But what if Cerberus did do something horrible to Shepard that comes into play in ME3? I still don't think Liara is to be blamed, but I can see even more people disliking the character and becoming upset with her.



Though, I doubt this will happen, as it seems the whole 'Shepard resurrection' thing was ridiculously dropped after the prologue of ME2.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

But what if Cerberus did do something horrible to Shepard that comes into play in ME3? I still don't think Liara is to be blamed, but I can see even more people disliking the character and becoming upset with her.

Though, I doubt this will happen, as it seems the whole 'Shepard resurrection' thing was ridiculously dropped after the prologue of ME2.

Hopefully the ressurection of Shepard will have some purpose from a story standpoint other than the lazy reset that it was in ME2. Hopefully there will be some twist revealing something shocking about the Lazarus project.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

But what if Cerberus did do something horrible to Shepard that comes into play in ME3? I still don't think Liara is to be blamed, but I can see even more people disliking the character and becoming upset with her.

Though, I doubt this will happen, as it seems the whole 'Shepard resurrection' thing was ridiculously dropped after the prologue of ME2.

I would like that Shepard have been implanted with reaper tech and that tech have a role to play in defeating the reapers but at the same time is transforming Shepard in a small version of a reaper something like the husk spike. Poor Liara would feel terrible but in the end everything would end well.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 02 juillet 2010 - 05:02 .

[jlb524]

Master Wolf wrote...

I would like that Shepard have been implanted with reaper tech and that tech have a role to play in defeating the reapers but at the same time is transforming Shepard in a small version of a reaper something like the husk spike. Poor Liara would feel terrible but in the end everything would end well.

That could go very very badly for Shepard, though.  Liara would be utterly crushed if that were to happen!