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Support Liara T'Soni for ME3 - Squadmate and LI

Débuté par Nozybidaj , févr. 18 2010 08:42

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 06:32

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jlb524 wrote...

In that rumored 'original beginning to Mass Effect 2', we were supposed to play as Liara and have just Legion as the other squad mate (or play as Legion with Liara as teh squad mate, I can't remember which one). They have thought of something like this before and were even close to implementing it in ME2.


If that's what were to be the original beginning of ME2 that means IMO that the prologe would be the events of Redemption that would be much beter that Shepard fighting throught the Lazarus base.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 06:47

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They dropped this original play b/c it wasn't newbie friendly.



Still, I don't mind playing as an NPC...KOTOR 2 featured a decent sized mission where your party split up into a few small teams and you played as an NPC of your choosing for two of them...I also believe you had to rescue the PC once, and play a short mission as an NPC....I liked this.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 06:49

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Would it not be preferable to have Liara's DLC mission be akin to an expanded and deeper version of Jack's loyalty mission? Interspersed amongst the combat, Liara will tell Shepard of her experiences and suffering, and gradually open up over the course of the DLC. Her emotional barriers and walls begin to drop as we are finally given the ability to comfort and console her. I'd like something like that.


Something like Jack's loyalty misson would be great but something I expect in ME3 probably when Liara rescue Shepard when they were escaping the place where Shepard were being kept they would have a interaction like the one in Jack's loyalty mission. Because like I said if Liara explains everything to Shepard in the DLC the romance in ME3 will be very short. And IMO the Liara DLC should only serve for Liara herself resolve the problem of the SB after all that is Liara mission not Shepard's and I would like to see her complete her misson without Shepard help.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 06:49

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jlb524 wrote...

In that rumored 'original beginning to Mass Effect 2', we were supposed to play as Liara and have just Legion as the other squad mate (or play as Legion with Liara as teh squad mate, I can't remember which one). They have thought of something like this before and were even close to implementing it in ME2.


It's still an interesting thougth.I probably would have liked to play as Liara/Legion in the beginning. Although imo, it would have destroyed a bit  the "this is Shepards story" image/feeling that BW wants to have for the Series (of course Books,comics, etc... are excluded here).

Oh, well. I'm off for today. Bye my fellow Liara fans!

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:00

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See you, Derumiel!



I don't mind it 'not being Shepard's story' from time to time. I wouldn't mind it being Liara's story every now and then :P

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:11

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"A meteor strike has delayed the construction of the Susskind Supercollider, a particle accelerator being constructed in Trikalon’s orbit. The Susskind is a type of collider called a fermitron and is a centuries-old asari venture now funded, named, and built by humans. It’s believed a fermitron hasn’t been constructed since the time of the Protheans. Formerly scheduled to come online in September (Earth Standard), the new damage will prolong construction until 2186. When completed, the Susskind collider will be 13,508 kilometers in circumference and will encircle Trikalon completely. The Susskind is the largest artificial satellite ever to have human workers and will be the galaxy’s largest building in terms of square meters, surpassing the volus’ hotel filled Mall of Quanaha."  (http://www.cerberusdailynews.com/)

Unless the Asari have some serious reason for dropping the project, this is more evidence of the way Asari let their observation of the "long-view"  get in the way of their species' technological and scientific progress.  Humans, with their vastly shorter lives, are picking up the slack, and developing very quickly.

So don't let anyone say that the Asari are perfect Mary-Sues.  Their imperfections exist below the surface, and aren't as observable as the Genophage with the Salarians, and the Krogan and their irradiated homeworld.

It'd be a shame for the Asari to fall far behind other species, especially since they had such a huge head-start.  It's up to Liara to tell the Matriarchs to get their asses in-gear.  Asari living 1000+ years, but working at the breakneck speed of the Salarians and Humans, would be the true Mary-Sue species.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:13

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I think playing as someone else has no place in a game where there's so much focus on your player character.



I would like a different game where Liara is your player character though. I suspect that after ME 3, BioWare/EA would like to use the franchise for pure action games. It's likely to feature the cool action dude of course, but who knows, maybe it's the beautiful (Asari) woman after all?

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:14

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yorkj86 wrote...

It'd be a shame for the Asari to fall far behind other species, especially since they had such a huge head-start.  It's up to Liara to tell the Matriarchs to get their asses in-gear.


I do agree.  I would like to see Liara lead this endeavor into the future.  Liara seems atypical of other asari in that regard, as evidenced by her setting up a powerful and respectible info broker business in two short years.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:20

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I actually believe that Liara will ultimately become a very progressive and influential Matriarch. She'll attempt to lead sweeping reforms to asari culture and society, and advise her species to abandon the somewhat outdated "long-view" philosophy in favour of pursuing the goals and acting in a much more rapid manner. I feel this would be due to all the time Liara has spent with humans, and a certain human in particular that has inspired her, and whom she treasures greatly. Liara would therefore seek to marry certain desirable traits of humanity to that of the asari, and strengthen and improve her species as a whole.



She'd also counsel understanding and co-operation amongst the other races, and seek to improve diplomatic and political relationships.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:22

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I don't see Liara leading the asari in a cultural and philosofical change we see what happened to Atheya when she tried. And besides Liara says herself that she don't want to became a leader of her people.

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Master Wolf wrote...
Something like Jack's loyalty misson would be great but something I expect in ME3 probably when Liara rescue Shepard when they were escaping the place where Shepard were being kept they would have a interaction like the one in Jack's loyalty mission. Because like I said if Liara explains everything to Shepard in the DLC the romance in ME3 will be very short. And IMO the Liara DLC should only serve for Liara herself resolve the problem of the SB after all that is Liara mission not Shepard's and I would like to see her complete her misson without Shepard help.


I don't actually see how any romance content featured in Liara's DLC would necessarily preclude it's implementation into ME3, especially if the DLC happens to be a substantial story-bridging xPac. For those that romanced Liara and didn't play the DLC, there could be a romance reconciliation scene triggered early in the game to compensate for missing out on this scene in the Liara DLC. For major decisions, a series of default choices could be selected from the DLC for those that import a ME2 save in which the Liara DLC is not present, akin to playing a non-import ME2 game. It could work, IMO.

Oh, and Liara solving the SB problem singlehandedly? That would be quite cool, and testament to her strength and competance. I don't think that they will do this, though, as Shepard has to be featured in some way in any developments involving a major character like Liara. Plus, Liara even said that she'd contact Shepard if anything ever comes up.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:29

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Master Wolf wrote...

I don't see Liara leading the asari in a cultural and philosofical change we see what happened to Atheya when she tried. And besides Liara says herself that she don't want to became a leader of her people.


Yes, but who was Matriarch Aethyta, vs. who Matriarch Liara would be?  Matriarchs have no political power, but can sway voters with their personal clout.  No offense to Matriarch Aethyta, but Liara has been involved with Shepard and his crew of people who pissed off an ancient race of mecha-gods twice.  That's quite a reputation.

As for Liara not wanting to be a leader, people do change.  Becoming a Matriach could be her way of remembering what Shepard did, long after he's gone.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:34

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Yes, but who was Matriarch Aethyta, vs. who Matriarch Liara would be?  Matriarchs have no political power, but can sway voters with their personal clout.  No offense to Matriarch Aethyta, but Liara has been involved with Shepard and his crew of people who pissed off an ancient race of mecha-gods twice.  That's quite a reputation.

As for Liara not wanting to be a leader, people do change.  Becoming a Matriach could be her way of remembering what Shepard did, long after he's gone.


For the time Liara is a matriarch most people even asari would have already forgot about the reapers and about defeating the reapers giving influence Shepard also saved the cidatel and didn't have enought influence to make the council or the aliance take action against the reapers.

But I would love to see Liara as a very powerful Matriarch.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:37

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Don't forget that Liara is also Benezia's daughter as well. Regardless of how history remembers her, the only daughter of such a powerful, renowned and well respected figure would also in turn be granted alot of respect, and hold alot of influence. We actually discussed this last night, that Liara has in all probability inherited Benezia's vast amounts of wealth, resources and assets.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:37

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Master Wolf wrote...

I don't see Liara leading the asari in a cultural and philosofical change we see what happened to Atheya when she tried. And besides Liara says herself that she don't want to became a leader of her people.


Liara felt this way before the events of ME1...things could have changed.   Before, she seemed mostly concerned with her own research, self-absorbed even.  Her eyes have now been opened to the rest of the galaxy...the good and the bad that lies within.  I can see her now being more concerned with the fate of the galactic community, especially her own people and their place within it.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:39

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Don't forget that Liara is also Benezia's daughter as well. Regardless of how history remembers her, the only daughter of such a powerful, renowned and well respected figure would also in turn be granted alot of respect, and hold alot of influence. We actually discussed this last night, that Liara has in all probability inherited Benezia's vast amounts of wealth, resources and assets.


Yeah, her connection to Benezia (and I'm assuming that Benezia also probably came from a long line of powerful Matriarchs) should probably get her further in asari society than her connection with Shepard, actually.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:41

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jlb524 wrote...
Liara felt this way before the events of ME1...things could have changed.   Before, she seemed mostly concerned with her own research, self-absorbed even.  Her eyes have now been opened to the rest of the galaxy...the good and the bad that lies within.  I can see her now being more concerned with the fate of the galactic community, especially her own people and their place within it.


Exactly. For example, Liara used to find humans aggresive and intimidating, but this is no longer the case. She respects them for the manner in which humans pursue their goals with indomitable desire and seek to achieve their goals as quickly as possible. Her eyes have been open, and she's aware of the vast array of differing opinions and ideologies out there, and possibly feels that she can use her power to alter asari and galactic society for the better.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:42

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I don't actually see how any romance content featured in Liara's DLC would necessarily preclude it's implementation into ME3, especially if the DLC happens to be a substantial story-bridging xPac. For those that romanced Liara and didn't play the DLC, there could be a romance reconciliation scene triggered early in the game to compensate for missing out on this scene in the Liara DLC. For major decisions, a series of default choices could be selected from the DLC for those that import a ME2 save in which the Liara DLC is not present, akin to playing a non-import ME2 game. It could work, IMO.


I'm not talking about people that don't get the DLC I'm talking that people that get the DLC will have a very reduced romance in ME3 because most of the romance was handled in the DLC.

But about people that don't get the DLC the only way for they to do it it's to reproduce all the romantic content in the DLC in ME3 because like I say default choices are all bad. And I don't belive that they will do the romance content two times one in the DLC and another in ME3. But I'm a litle dived to be honest I don't want that any romance content in ME3 to be reduced because of the DLC but I also don't want to wait until ME3 to confort Liara and continue the romance.

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I'm not talking about people that don't get the DLC I'm talking that people that get the DLC will have a very reduced romance in ME3 because most of the romance was handled in the DLC.


How so? The Liara DLC could just feature the reconciliation and comforting scenes of Liara's romance, with it then progressing naturally during the events of ME3. Liara being comforted, consoled and reassured does not mean that the romance will then cease to progress, not at all. If anything, that will be the cue for the relationship between the two to then begin developing into something truly deep and spiritual.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:49

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Liara may have changed but I think that a Liara that belives that can chage the galaxy is more in line with her idealistic view in ME1 than her more realistic view that she have in ME2.

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Master Wolf wrote...

Liara may have changed but I think that a Liara that belives that can chage the galaxy is more in line with her idealistic view in ME1 than her more realistic view that she have in ME2.


In ME2, she's definitely alot more jaded and cynical, and has lost alot of her idealism and worldliness, but I don't think she believes the galaxy or it's inhabitants to be inherently bad. She still believes that there's alot out there worth fighting for. I don't think Liara is quite as hardened as alot of people like to make out her to be, in all honesty.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:56

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

In ME2, she's definitely alot more jaded and cynical, and has lost alot of her idealism and worldliness, but I don't think she believes the galaxy or it's inhabitants to be inherently bad. She still believes that there's alot out there worth fighting for. I don't think Liara is quite as hardened as alot of people like to make out her to be, in all honesty.


Yeah, that is kind of what she's doing by trying to take out the Shadow Broker...fight so the galaxy can be a better place.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 07:59

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

How so? The Liara DLC could just feature the reconciliation and comforting scenes of Liara's romance, with it then progressing naturally during the events of ME3. Liara being comforted, consoled and reassured does not mean that the romance will then cease to progress, not at all. If anything, that will be the cue for the relationship between the two to then begin developing into something truly deep and spiritual.


It would not cease the progress but I would prefer that all romance content has present in ME3 because this way the progression of the romance will not be interrupted by the fact that Liara will have to return to Ilium to solve some problems and by whatever idea they use to reset Shepard in ME3. And IMO Liara rescuing Shepard would be much more dramatic this way.

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jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, that is kind of what she's doing by trying to take out the Shadow Broker...fight so the galaxy can be a better place.


Yeah. She recognises that the Shadow Broker is a menace and a threat to galactic stability and civilization, and that due to this she feels that it must be eradicated.

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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 08:04

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

In ME2, she's definitely alot more jaded and cynical, and has lost alot of her idealism and worldliness, but I don't think she believes the galaxy or it's inhabitants to be inherently bad. She still believes that there's alot out there worth fighting for. I don't think Liara is quite as hardened as alot of people like to make out her to be, in all honesty.


I didn't mean to say that she don't belive that the galaxy have good people what I mean to say is that Liara probably don't belive anymore that one person can change the galaxy. Specialy after she saw that Shepard died for nothing because the coucil and the Aliance have ignored the reaper threat, and specialy after see how the politics act in ME1 (almost doomed the galxy because they didin't want to act).
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