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[Master Wolf]

Lizardviking wrote...

I always imagined that if your LI dies in ME3. Shepard could end up working for Cerberus because TIM gave you the offer to return them for life.... As long as you do whatever he says.

This would of course end with Shepard becoming a terrorist in eyes of the galaxy.

That would be the renegade ending I imagine that the paragon ending would be Shepard continue as spectre and live like a justicar wondering the galaxy alone fighting injustice.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Not to break you guys great mood here.

But what would you have your Shepard do if Liara dies in ME3?

Go back to the Alliance as a soldier? Commit suicide? Crossing the "despair event horizon" and join Cerberus as a result?

Give her life saving the galaxy from the Reapers, and commit the ultimate sacrifice. With my Shepard, what's the point in living in this galaxy that you've saved if it feels incredibly hollow and empty without her lover?

But what if Liara dies during the finale moments of the fight? What if she was the one who made the ultimate sacrifice? resulting in Shepard being the only who is not celebrating at the victory party.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But what if Liara dies during the finale moments of the fight? What if she was the one who made the ultimate sacrifice? resulting in Shepard being the only who is not celebrating at the victory party.

No idea. I always assume that Shepard would have time to give her life to wipe out the Reaper threat once and for all.

If Liara dies in the finale moments of the fight against the reapers. Then my Shepard would proberly join up with Garrus (if he survives of course) and go all archangel in the terminus systems. If he survives that. He would end up as a Zaeed with a death wish. A jaded and cynical mercernary who keeps accepting suicidal jobs, hoping that one of them will eventually prove to be to much to handle.

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[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But what if Liara dies during the finale moments of the fight? What if she was the one who made the ultimate sacrifice? resulting in Shepard being the only who is not celebrating at the victory party.

No idea. I always assume that Shepard would have time to give her life to wipe out the Reaper threat once and for all.

If Liara dies in the finale moments of the fight against the reapers. Then my Shepard would proberly join up with Garrus (if he survives of course) and go all archangel in the terminus systems. If he survives that. He would end up as a Zaeed with a death wish. A jaded and cynical mercernary who keeps accepting suicidal jobs, hoping that one of them will eventually prove to be to much to handle.

I think that if Liara were to sacrifice herself, she would make every effort to make sure Shepard knew that she wants Shepard to live. No matter what. Perhaps she would ask Shepard to do something for her, like keep someone she cares about safe. Or take care of their child (assuming they have one by the time).

If Liara dies, then the biggest way Shepard can let her down is by sinking into a self-destructive depression and/or killing themself. Now, I do kinda like you idea, Lizard. But I think Shepard would be plenty occupied doing Spectre-y things. I don't think he would need to become a mercenary to find low survival odds missions.

[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

But what if Liara dies during the finale moments of the fight? What if she was the one who made the ultimate sacrifice? resulting in Shepard being the only who is not celebrating at the victory party.

To extend on this possibility; what if the final fight is a player-controlled Liara versus a Harbinger-controlled Shepard? And at the end of the fight, before she is able to break Harbinger's connection, Harbinger mortally wounds Liara --using Shepard's body in so doing, adding to the drama. So then, at the end a sacrifice has to be made for some reason I won't try to guess on in order to stop the Reapers and Liara --already dying-- volunteers to be the one who makes the sacrifice.

And they could have a scene that's like the end of Lost; with Liara watching the Normandy fly to safety as her eyes close for the last time.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 07 juillet 2010 - 02:31 .

[IndigoWolfe]

rynluna wrote...

They've already toyed with our emotions enough.  If Bioware were to kill her at the end of the game, I'll be pissed.    That's all I'm saying.

One thing to keep in mind; you can never toy with a fan's emotions enough. And if the end up getting real mad; then Bioware suceeded in making you react. And a strength of a story is the quality of the one experiencing it's emotional reaction, be it postive or negative.

[IndigoWolfe]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But what if Liara dies during the finale moments of the fight? What if she was the one who made the ultimate sacrifice? resulting in Shepard being the only who is not celebrating at the victory party.

To extend on this possibility; what if the final fight is a player-controlled Liara versus a Harbinger-controlled Shepard? And at the end of the fight, before she is able to break Harbinger's connection, Harbinger mortally wounds Liara --using Shepard's body in so doing, adding to the drama. So then, at the end a sacrifice has to be made for some reason I won't try to guess on in order to stop the Reapers and Liara --already dying-- volunteers to be the one who makes the sacrifice.

And they could have a scene that's like the end of Lost; with Liara watching the Normandy fly to safety as her eyes close for the last time.

Interesting idea but Bioware would never go for it.
That's too focused on one character.
If it were like that for Liara it'd have to be the same way for every other LI.
Which seems a bit much.
I think they'll go for the whole "epic space battle while Shepard and co do something that indirectly saves the day".
Like KOTOR with less Battle Meditation, Sith Lords, and a DS option.

I disagree, you could have something like what I suggested without it nessecitating romance content. For instance; KOTOR had plenty of similar drama involving Bastila, she was second only to the player character in plot-importance. 

And it's been established that Liara cares about Shepard regardless. Now, the exact dialogue and content could vary depending on your Shepard's morality and LI, but the base scenario of Liara sacrificing herself for Shepard's sake could still be pulled of regardless.

[IndigoWolfe]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But what if Liara dies during the finale moments of the fight? What if she was the one who made the ultimate sacrifice? resulting in Shepard being the only who is not celebrating at the victory party.

To extend on this possibility; what if the final fight is a player-controlled Liara versus a Harbinger-controlled Shepard? And at the end of the fight, before she is able to break Harbinger's connection, Harbinger mortally wounds Liara --using Shepard's body in so doing, adding to the drama. So then, at the end a sacrifice has to be made for some reason I won't try to guess on in order to stop the Reapers and Liara --already dying-- volunteers to be the one who makes the sacrifice.

And they could have a scene that's like the end of Lost; with Liara watching the Normandy fly to safety as her eyes close for the last time.

Interesting idea but Bioware would never go for it.
That's too focused on one character.
If it were like that for Liara it'd have to be the same way for every other LI.
Which seems a bit much.
I think they'll go for the whole "epic space battle while Shepard and co do something that indirectly saves the day".
Like KOTOR with less Battle Meditation, Sith Lords, and a DS option.

I disagree, you could have something like what I suggested without it nessecitating romance content. For instance; KOTOR had plenty of similar drama involving Bastila, she was second only to the player character in plot-importance. 

And it's been established that Liara cares about Shepard regardless. Now, the exact dialogue and content could vary depending on your Shepard's morality and LI, but the base scenario of Liara sacrificing herself for Shepard's sake could still be pulled of regardless.

I didn't say that they couldn't pull it off. I merely said that I think it was unlikely.
Please don't mention Bastila....
.....Damn I miss Dat Voice/attitude/potential to be evil.

In my mind it would be about the same probability that Bioware would make a comic short series about Liara going after Shepard's body. And we all know that happened.

"The Force fights with me!"

[IndigoWolfe]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...



"The Force fights with me!"

"Shut up old fool! Your time is over. Now is the time of Darth Revan and the Sith!":devil:

"Fun? Fun! Driving me insane is your idea of a good time?!"

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 07 juillet 2010 - 03:26 .

[bjdbwea]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

One thing to keep in mind; you can never toy with a fan's emotions enough. And if the end up getting real mad; then Bioware suceeded in making you react. And a strength of a story is the quality of the one experiencing it's emotional reaction, be it postive or negative.

Really. And if it makes me mad enough that my reaction is not to buy the game, which I almost certainly wouldn't do if there was a mandatory death of Shepard or Liara, then what? They pat themselves on the back?

The bottom line is, happy ends sell. Plus, they're usually the most easy to write and tell. It's okay to inspire emotions, positive and negative, during the game / movie / book, but you gotta know when to cut the "dark" stuff and provide an ending that leaves the audience with happy rather than angry or sad feelings.

[Master Wolf]

If in ME3 don't have a oportunity for a happy ending I will just ignore it existence that's simple as that if they want reaction then my reaction is ignore the game.

[kraidy1117]

bjdbwea wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

One thing to keep in mind; you can never toy with a fan's emotions enough. And if the end up getting real mad; then Bioware suceeded in making you react. And a strength of a story is the quality of the one experiencing it's emotional reaction, be it postive or negative.

Really. And if it makes me mad enough that my reaction is not to buy the game, which I almost certainly wouldn't do if there was a mandatory death of Shepard or Liara, then what? They pat themselves on the back?

The bottom line is, happy ends sell. Plus, they're usually the most easy to write and tell. It's okay to inspire emotions, positive and negative, during the game / movie / book, but you gotta know when to cut the "dark" stuff and provide an ending that leaves the audience with happy rather than angry or sad feelings.

I want tragic endings. Happy endings are boring.

[Master Wolf]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I want tragic endings. Happy endings are boring.

 I hope that everyone get their happy ending I love happy endings.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 07 juillet 2010 - 03:45 .

[kraidy1117]

Master Wolf wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I want tragic endings. Happy endings are boring.

 I hope that everyone get their happy ending I love happy endings.

My opinion is better then yours