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[jtav]

It doesn't matter to me either. I refuse to "cheat" on Liara. I don't like Miranda's romance that much, but she always gets a single Shep. So no love triangles for me.

Modifié par jtav, 07 juillet 2010 - 06:26 .

[JamieCOTC]

Could be like in KOTOR w/ Bastila.



Liara: We need to discuss "us", Shepard.

Shepard: Agreed. Let's go up to my cabin and see if we can figure it all out.



fade to black.



5 hours later.



Liara: I'm glad we got a chance to straighten that out, Shepard.

Shepard: Same here, Liara. Well, I should get back on duty.

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Could be like in KOTOR w/ Bastila.

Liara: We need to discuss "us", Shepard.
Shepard: Agreed. Let's go up to my cabin and see if we can figure it all out.

fade to black.

5 hours later.

Liara: I'm glad we got a chance to straighten that out, Shepard.
Shepard: Same here, Liara. Well, I should get back on duty.

Don't give them ideas!

[Dark_Helmet]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

What is cousing Liara to suffer is not she being manipulated by TIM (wich I think she wasn't) what is causing Liara to suffer was her desicon she acepeted to recover the body for cerberus she acepted to hand the body TIM didin't have to manipulate her Liara chose to do that because she couldn't lose Shepard and this is what is causing Liara to suffer because she in her opinion have acted in a selfish way. Liara is suffering for her decision and for nothing else.

No, Liara was manipulated by TIM. She intially wanted nothing to do with Cerberus and considered them the enemy, even so far as saying something to the effect of "I thought I'd be allied with anyone who also wants to find Shepard, but Cerberus?" She wanted to cut all ties and never work with them. However, TIM twisted her viewpoint, and used the threat of the Shadow Broker handing over the corpse to the Collectors as a means of getting Liara to do as he wished. Liara then says that she'll do as he tasked her to, but for Shepard's sake and not Cerberus'. He's used her devotion for Shepard as a means of forcing her to work for Cerberus, and to achieve his goals. He even says something like "There's nothing quite like someone with personal motives driving them" which is alluding to her devotion to Shepard. TIM manipulating her doesn't preclude or trivialise the fact that Liara still went out of her way to find and rescue her friend/lover.

Oh, and it's the resulting actions and events of TIM's manipulation that is causing Liara to suffer, and not his manipulation itself.

I've got to give him credit he's a manipulative bastard alright.

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...


No, Liara was manipulated by TIM. She intially wanted nothing to do with Cerberus and considered them the enemy, even so far as saying something to the effect of "I thought I'd be allied with anyone who also wants to find Shepard, but Cerberus?" She wanted to cut all ties and never work with them. However, TIM twisted her viewpoint, and used the threat of the Shadow Broker handing over the corpse to the Collectors as a means of getting Liara to do as he wished. Liara then says that she'll do as he tasked her to, but for Shepard's sake and not Cerberus'. He's used her devotion for Shepard as a means of forcing her to work for Cerberus, and to achieve his goals. He even says something like "There's nothing quite like someone with personal motives driving them" which is alluding to her devotion to Shepard. TIM manipulating her doesn't preclude or trivialise the fact that Liara still went out of her way to find and rescue her friend/lover.

Oh, and it's the resulting actions and events of TIM's manipulation that is causing Liara to suffer, and not his manipulation itself.

If she didn't want nothing to do with cerberus why she tell TIM in the begining that she would look for Shepard? She could have lied to TIM and then go looking for Shepard without TIM knowing but no she acepted the help. And Liara would hand the body to cerberus even without the threat of the SB and the collectors because if she wanted to protect the body from being used by the collectors she could have cremated the body it would still be a funeral for Shepard and the body could never be used by the SB or collectors but no she handed the body to cerberus because she wanted Shepard back and that's why she is feeling guilt because of what she belives was a selfish desire to get Shepard back with her she may doomed Shepard to a horrible live as cerberus slave. And she knew all along that TIM was trying to manipulate her and manipulation only work when the people that is being manipulated don't know that is being manipulated.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 07 juillet 2010 - 06:44 .

[jlb524]

@Les
That may happen at some point in ME3, but not in the DLC.

Modifié par jlb524, 07 juillet 2010 - 06:40 .

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yes, which was my point in the first place. Liara did not want to work with Cerberus, until TIM manipulated her into doing so. She was that desperate to find Shepard that she would have done anything, including working with terrorists that she finds abhorrent. This in turn leads to her guilt over handing the corpse over due to her own desire to see Shepard rebuilt.

I'm not sure what the issue is here. We're in agreement.

I don't see is where is TIM manipulation I only see Liara own desire to get Shepard back with her she have donne it because she wanted not because TIM manipulated her.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

@Les
That may happen at some point in ME3, but not in the DLC.

It might do....if a flag in the DLC prevents the reconciliation scene from occuring in ME3, which it would do if the player had not played and completed the Liara DLC.

A flag!  No way, too complicated.

[ratzerman]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Oh, and I totally want a romance reconciliation and reaffirmation scene in Shepard's cabin at the conclusion of Liara's DLC!

I want that too..... so much, it hurts......... but it ain't happening.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Bring Down the Sky contained a flag! Said flag also affected ME2!

As the DLC would be focused around a core and important character like Liara, logic dictates that the flag would have a far greater effect.

The Conrad Verner flag was more important, though they completely botched it!!

That should tell you something about their flag handling skillz!

You do have a point...it's possible....they don't really have a precedence for handling DLC, really, since the ME1 DLC was not much to write home about.

Bring Down the Sky was just a little side mission, nothing that affected the main plot at all.

Pinnacle Station was just...whatever.

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

She finds Cerberus disgusting and does not want to work with them, but TIM explained that the Collectors are trying to acquire the corpse and that it needs to be recovered. Liara then agrees to work with Cerberus in order to do so. He uses her devotion and desire to find Shepard to his advantage and to acieve his goals. It's manipulation.

I don't see what the deal is.

IMO it's not manipulation because it also achive Liara's goals of seeing Shepard back with her it's a agreement both parts get what they want.

[Master Wolf]

They do a full expansion pack that deals with both Liara and virmire survivor storys in ME2 and prepare them for join Shepard in ME3. A expansion pack would have much more content that a simple DLC and this way we could see a lot of Shepard and Liara romance. And a expansion pack has much more chances of afecting the ME3 story than a simple DLC.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 07 juillet 2010 - 07:07 .

[jlb524]

The expansion/DLC whatever is supposed to link ME2 to ME3, so I think, no matter if it is related to Liara or not, it might have a larger impact on ME3 than the ME1 DLC did on ME2. It still can't have a super huge impact, though, as it is optional.



The romance stuff really isn't that big of a deal in the larger scheme of things. It's not important to the ongoing story of galaxy vs. Reapers. They could throw in some Liara romance stuff in the DLC with no harm done to the story. The only thing, Liara-mancers that didn't buy the DLC will be left out and miss a nice part of the romance.

[jlb524]

Don't get me wrong, Les, I would love for the DLC to feature the Shep/Liara romance...hell, I'd love it if that's all it was! Screw the SB! Let's just have a DLC where Shep and Liara go out on a date, watch a movie, maybe ride around together on that tandem bicycle you mentioned!



I'm just not going to get my hopes up for this.

[NICKjnp]

jlb524 wrote...

Don't get me wrong, Les, I would love for the DLC to feature the Shep/Liara romance...hell, I'd love it if that's all it was! Screw the SB! Let's just have a DLC where Shep and Liara go out on a date, watch a movie, maybe ride around together on that tandem bicycle you mentioned!

I'm just not going to get my hopes up for this.

I want to take Liara on a space cruise on the Love Boat.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 07 juillet 2010 - 07:27 .

[jlb524]

Oh, it's plausible, just not likely, IMO.



I think the last two story DLCs BW made were pretty good (Overlord and Leliana's DLC for DA:O), so that gives me hope that any future DLC containing Liara will be good from a story perspective. However, they have shown they don't put much time or do a good job with connecting DLC with main campaigns, so this is why I worry that there won't be much in the DLC that affects ME3, or that is affected itself by past games (i.e., whether or not you romanced Liara won't have an affect).