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JamieCOTC

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Pacifien wrote...

Stories being transferred from one medium (game, tv, movie) to the comic book medium have never gone over well with me. The writing is off, the art is usually subpar. I think people forget that there really is an art to making a good comic book.


Sing it! 

Back in the 70s and 80s it was a big deal for Marvel, DC and whoever else was around to churn out movie adaptations in comicbook form.  Most sucked.  The art was almost always generic and was adapted from the script, not the movie, so it would never have the "feel" of the film.  I remember the one for Alien being pretty good as the art was different and it was actually bloodier than the movie. Marvel’s adaptation of 2001: A Space Odyssey was interesting in that Jack Kirby was the artist, and thus it was heavily stylized.  Anyway, while no one ever sets out to write a bad book or comic, the obstacles set up by the powers that be can be enormous. 

Let’s take Redemption.  The art was generic so it would appeal to a wider audience.  Shepard, who we never see, is the McGuffin, the thing Liara is trying to find.  Any good story teller will tell you that the McGuffin doesn’t matter.  It could be Shepard or a recipe for egg salad. Doesn’t matter.  Unfortunately, the writers made it matter.  That’s okay.  We’re not dead in the water yet.  Take Beneath the Planet of the Apes.  75% of the movie is about the search for Charlton Heston w/ a Charlton Heston lookalike, AKA James Franciscus.  So, James Franciscus is running around trying to find Charlton Heston and all the while discovering the crazy kooks who live beneath the planet of the apes. But finally, Jimmy finds Chuck.  Chuck is there. Charlton Heston is there speaking words and he gives us a great big pay off by blowing up the world.  In Redemption, Liara finally finds Shepard and he, (or she. Blue Suns must have never studied rudimentary anatomy), is mulch.  We get topsoil in the form of something that might be a human being.  Yes, it does follow the events as laid out in the game, but it is not a very compelling pay off.  The pay off we do get is some guy we barely know sacrificing himself for topsoil because of a girl who might, but we don’t know because the story never makes it very clear, like Shepard.   No one in their right mind would set out to write a story like this unless, A. they didn’t have a clue as to what they were doing or B. they were handicapped to begin with by greater powers than themselves.  I’m 100% certain B is the correct answer the case of Redemption.  Comics, movies or whatever that are based on specific properties will never work unless they are given the freedom to live on their own.  This I believe. 

Anyway, that is my rather long winded reason as to why I totally agree w/ Pacifien. 
 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 12 juillet 2010 - 01:50 .


#42752
Marcin K

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hey all

#42753
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D'aawwwwwww, she's so cute when she makes idle threats.

Image IPB

http://cepheala.devi...asari-170914385

Modifié par Mighty_BOB_cnc, 12 juillet 2010 - 11:01 .


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pizzzu

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I love it how everybody's with the same avatar.... Liara is <3 OLEV!

#42755
OrbitalWings

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WIP...

http://pics.livejour...yu/pic/0005as3y

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Tyrannosaurus Rex

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

WIP...

http://pics.livejour...yu/pic/0005as3y


Nice fanart! Is the Shepard to the right another Shepard you use sometimes?

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Lizardviking wrote...

Nice fanart! Is the Shepard to the right another Shepard you use sometimes?


Yeah, it's another Shepard - not mine though, he's a friend's.

He's an interesting character - in his owner's canon, he and Mordin are in something resembling a relationship, hence Mordin appearing opposite Liara.

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Nice fanart! Is the Shepard to the right another Shepard you use sometimes?


Yeah, it's another Shepard - not mine though, he's a friend's.

He's an interesting character - in his owner's canon, he and Mordin are in something resembling a relationship, hence Mordin appearing opposite Liara.


Interesting. Mordin is a great character!

I was sad when he turned down my Shepard. :crying:

:P

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Lizardviking wrote...

Interesting. Mordin is a great character!

I was sad when he turned down my Shepard. :crying:

:P


Hehe, yeah he and Samara are such teases.

No idea when the pic will actually be finished - got other stuff to do first. But at least I've "announced" it, so to speak.

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Interesting. Mordin is a great character!

I was sad when he turned down my Shepard. :crying:

:P


Hehe, yeah he and Samara are such teases.

No idea when the pic will actually be finished - got other stuff to do first. But at least I've "announced" it, so to speak.


Good luck with whatever work your doing.

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Meuterei wrote...

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Did you take this dialog option?

Hmm, no, I actually hadn't seen that until now. That actually puts a lot into perspective. Weird, I did both her quests and thought I'd clicked everything.

Still, if it's possible, I'll probably keep Tali as my LI for 3. But... who knows, they might completely change things again.


I feel like you have to wait until ME3 (where Liara will actually get some attention romance-wise) before you can make a fair judgment between the two.

Messed up, isn't it?

#42762
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Guys.....what on earth happened to the thread?

It used to be one of the most active - but ever since the DA2 announcement, it's been dead. The most recent post is often hours ago when I check it.

What gives?

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Tyrannosaurus Rex

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Guys.....what on earth happened to the thread?

It used to be one of the most active - but ever since the DA2 announcement, it's been dead. The most recent post is often hours ago when I check it.

What gives?


I said it before. But I think it's more of the fact that it's summer now, and most people are enjoying the good weather outside.

just a guess.

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Guys.....what on earth happened to the thread?

It used to be one of the most active - but ever since the DA2 announcement, it's been dead. The most recent post is often hours ago when I check it.

What gives?


Maybe a dictionary and a thesaurus can only be combed through so many times in search of positive adjectives to describe Liara.

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Lizardviking wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Guys.....what on earth happened to the thread?

It used to be one of the most active - but ever since the DA2 announcement, it's been dead. The most recent post is often hours ago when I check it.

What gives?


I said it before. But I think it's more of the fact that it's summer now, and most people are enjoying the good weather outside.

just a guess.


Well, it's more because, till new info comes out, there's nothing left to talk about. Everything that needs to be said have been said. We'd just be repeating ourselves in order to keep the thread up.

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TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, it's more because, till new info comes out, there's nothing left to talk about. Everything that needs to be said have been said. We'd just be repeating ourselves in order to keep the thread up.


Hehe, really? I thought repeating the same conversations was the order of business on here...

It just seems.......weird. There'd usually be the odd prompt or musing that would spark a couple of pages of discussion, or some pics posted, or whatever.

I'm just confused as to why it stopped so suddenly - it's like all the Liara fans have been hunted down and silenced :bandit:

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, it's more because, till new info comes out, there's nothing left to talk about. Everything that needs to be said have been said. We'd just be repeating ourselves in order to keep the thread up.


Hehe, really? I thought repeating the same conversations was the order of business on here...

It just seems.......weird. There'd usually be the odd prompt or musing that would spark a couple of pages of discussion, or some pics posted, or whatever.

I'm just confused as to why it stopped so suddenly - it's like all the Liara fans have been hunted down and silenced :bandit:


No, everyone's still around. They're just talking about Liara elsewhere, or mostly joining other discussions, like with Miranda, or Cerberus, the new armor, or doing some talk in Night and Collider's Group.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 12 juillet 2010 - 10:51 .


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Lizardviking wrote...
I said it before. But I think it's more of the fact that it's summer now, and most people are enjoying the good weather outside.

What is this outside you speak of?

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...I'm just confused as to why it stopped so suddenly - it's like all the Liara fans have been hunted down and silenced :bandit:

I'm trying to find a job. :P

#42769
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There are multiple reasons why, inclluding a few recently getting pissy and leaving because they didnt like being challenged on their arrogant assumptions.

Mainly though, its naturally because of the DA2 announcement.

ME2 is coming up on half a year old since release. Everywhere is dying down now. Plus theres the fact that its summer, and like someone already said, its been far too long since weve had anything to go on.

If the thread is still within reaching distance when new info on ME2 or Liara comes out, Im sure itll start picking up again. Until then people just have to cope with how slow things have gotten.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 13 juillet 2010 - 07:55 .


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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

There are multiple reasons why, inclluding a few recently getting pissy and leaving because they didnt like being challenged on their arrogant assumptions.


Look who is talking, go stay in the AKL group so people don't have to deal with your BS.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:01 .


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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Well, it's more because, till new info comes out, there's nothing left to talk about. Everything that needs to be said have been said. We'd just be repeating ourselves in order to keep the thread up.

Hehe, really? I thought repeating the same conversations was the order of business on here...

In 2 months nothing new has been said on the Jacob elephant thread (locked now though) or on the "why destroy the base?" thread.
And of course some repetition will always be welcome: Heavy risk, but the priiiize.

gogo Liara.

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Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
I said it before. But I think it's more of the fact that it's summer now, and most people are enjoying the good weather outside.

What is this outside you speak of?


See! That's the spirit! ;)

Dink said...

There are multiple reasons why, inclluding a few recently getting pissy
and leaving because they didnt like being challenged on their arrogant
assumptions.


I highly doubt that little discussion made people ragequit. It was not even heated yet!

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Dinkamus_Littlelog

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Look who is talking, go stay in the AKL group so people don't have to deal with your BS.


Ive got a better idea Kraidy. While Im away doing better stuff than talking to someone like you, why dont you make me?

Lizardviking wrote...

I highly doubt that little
discussion made people ragequit. It was not even heated yet!


Oh Im pretty sure it did.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:41 .


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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Look who is talking, go stay in the AKL group so people don't have to deal with your BS.


Ive got a better idea Kraidy. While Im away doing better stuff than talking to someone like you, why dont you make me?


Why do I have to make you? Is that how you do things? Getting people to tell you to do things, you can't think for your self?

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Dinkamus_Littlelog

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Why do I have to make you? Is that how you do things? Getting people to tell you to do things, you can't think for your self?


Whats the matter? Cant you make me? Tch, what a shame. I was just hoping to see if you had more than just a big mouth.

Oh well. Im afraid I cant stick around and engage in every flamewar you try and start here when you post at the same time as me. Im sure youll find something better to do while Im gone. Maybe you should try the Miranda thread?