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Shavon wrote...

Yes, MORE INFIGHTING is what this thread needs. Yep. C'mon, people. Liara is one of my favorite characters, if not my favorite. And the fan bs crap is making it SO hard for me even to get excited for the ONLY piece of dlc I truly have been waiting for.

This whole MShep vs. FemShep is crap. Yes, Bw you should have put more thought into FemShep animations, among other things, but other than that, both Shepards are awesome (esp. when romancing Liara).

We don't have much to discuss anymore, bt we are about to, because Bw will probably release a short trailer of the Liara dlc, and we can go nuts with the speculation and admiration again. You know, ME 2 is an M-rated game, which means only adults should be playing it. It would be nice if some of us (myself included at times) could act with maturity, and if you disagree, here's a novel suggestion, be polite.

Just a suggestion.


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Shavon wrote...

Yes, MORE INFIGHTING is what this thread needs. Yep. C'mon, people. Liara is one of my favorite characters, if not my favorite. And the fan bs crap is making it SO hard for me even to get excited for the ONLY piece of dlc I truly have been waiting for.


I'm sorry, Shave but....:crying:

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funny (and potentially NSFW) - Yes, Liara is in it.






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I never blame you . . it's not your fault, certain people were bashing FemShep and Liara. You don't really fight, even.



Btw, your sig is awesome. I'd love to be able to discuss Liara here again. With worthwhile people =/

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Shavon wrote...

I never blame you . . it's not your fault, certain people were bashing FemShep and Liara. You don't really fight, even.

Btw, your sig is awesome. I'd love to be able to discuss Liara here again. With worthwhile people =/


We are all in the group Shav :wizard:

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And I think it's important to show a presence on the forums, even though no one else does, apparently. So I'll just be here, by myself, or whoever else cares to discuss her here.

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What would you like to discuss?



Do you believe her quest for vengeance will ultimately end in the death of the Shadow Broker, or not? Or, will this be ultimately up to Shepard?

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jlb524 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

 But most in here use femshep/Liara.


Not anymore...we are all gone..you can have your thread and romance back.


Why, what happened?

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jlb524 wrote...

What would you like to discuss?

Do you believe her quest for vengeance will ultimately end in the death of the Shadow Broker, or not? Or, will this be ultimately up to Shepard?


It could go either way, but my guess is Shepard will decide.

As for how, my guess is she'll ask you, because she's tired of making life or death choices, and want the opinion of someone she trusts, and someone that's used to making these kind of choices.

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I'd prefer if she made the choice herself, as I am curious to see what she would do, but ultimately, it will be Shepard's decision, as that's how all these things end :P



Big moral dilemma...Shepard needs to make a choice...yeah.

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TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

 But most in here use femshep/Liara.


Not anymore...we are all gone..you can have your thread and romance back.


Why, what happened?


(reads a bit)

Ok, so you're tell me one person drove about 6, 7, or 8 people away from this thread, and to leave it to die? And this is over a Male Shep vs Female Shep arguement in a Liara Support Thread? Especially since maybe 1 or 2 of those Fem Sheps claimed to be dudes in real life?

I'm I reading this right?:huh:

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 28 juillet 2010 - 04:53 .


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Indeed.

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jlb524 wrote...

I'd prefer if she made the choice herself, as I am curious to see what she would do, but ultimately, it will be Shepard's decision, as that's how all these things end :P

Big moral dilemma...Shepard needs to make a choice...yeah.


Yeah, but I don't think you'd want her decision because you know it'll be the bad one (aka every time you pick the "It's your choice", they mostly pick the bad one).

However, I think if you said that, I think she'd say, "But I can't... I need you to choose... I can't do this anymore... I'm tired of making these choices."

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jlb524 wrote...

Indeed.


Bull****! Stand up for yourselves! Don't run away and hide! Your 6-8 people (in a group I was rejected from :crying:). Kick some ass! Be on top! Fight for what you believe!

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TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I'd prefer if she made the choice herself, as I am curious to see what she would do, but ultimately, it will be Shepard's decision, as that's how all these things end :P

Big moral dilemma...Shepard needs to make a choice...yeah.


Yeah, but I don't think you'd want her decision because you know it'll be the bad one (aka every time you pick the "It's your choice", they mostly pick the bad one).

However, I think if you said that, I think she'd say, "But I can't... I need you to choose... I can't do this anymore... I'm tired of making these choices."


What do you mean by 'bad one'?  I usually don't do that, actually.

She may also not want to make the choice for more personal reasons...who knows what will happen when the SB's identity is revealed.

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jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I'd prefer if she made the choice herself, as I am curious to see what she would do, but ultimately, it will be Shepard's decision, as that's how all these things end :P

Big moral dilemma...Shepard needs to make a choice...yeah.


Yeah, but I don't think you'd want her decision because you know it'll be the bad one (aka every time you pick the "It's your choice", they mostly pick the bad one).

However, I think if you said that, I think she'd say, "But I can't... I need you to choose... I can't do this anymore... I'm tired of making these choices."


What do you mean by 'bad one'?  I usually don't do that, actually.

She may also not want to make the choice for more personal reasons...who knows what will happen when the SB's identity is revealed.


Example, the Council. If you pick the middle option, they die. If you ask the Council to pick a Human Councilor, I believe they pick Udina (could be wrong). If you let Tali decide, she doesn't tell whatshisname. Pretty much, anytime you give someone the choice to decide for themselves, they pick the worse of the 2, or what's worse for them.

However, if someone has any examples that prove this wrong, go right ahead. I'm no expert.

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jlb524 wrote...

She may also not want to make the choice for more personal reasons...who knows what will happen when the SB's identity is revealed.


Maybe, but I think it's more of "I want your opinion at least." You're opinion of course will be what's picked, but it's the fact that she doesn't want to make this choice alone. She'd want to know what you think.

But again, it's hard to tell, because we don't know what the choice is. For all we know, it's "Hey Shepard! The Shadow Broker got away, but we have his Bank Account! What should we do?"

1) Give it to charity

2) Make a small business

3) Buy your own planet

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However, if someone has any examples that prove this wrong, go right ahead. I'm no expert.


I think if you let Grunt decide if he wants to join clan Urdnot, he does pick this. 

Also, at the end of his loyalty mission, if you let him decide if he wants to join Uvenk, he says, 'no' and stays loyal to Urdnot...so, Grunt knows what he's doing.

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Well Grunt doesn't join Uvenk (spelling?) I think I agreed with that pic somebody posted a few pages ago that had a hypothetical dialog wheel on it. That tends to be the way Bioware resolves these kinds of problems. One which is "kill" and the other which is "let it go." If she does become the Shadow Broke I don't see that as something Bioware would let the player pick because it seems that might jeopardize her appearing in ME3. If she becomes the Shadow Broker I think will do it on her own, without player choice. I find that highly doubtful. It would be a rather uninteresting ending to give us no big moral choice. What will be really interesting to me is what if the Shadow Broker ends up being a whole organization of people? How will that effect Liara's decision or her ability to defeat them?



And yes, I'm a random lurker here who rarely has much to add. So yea...

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I think the Broker is one person. In the comic, the Collector is speaking with one individual who has a dialog bubble pointing off-page that represents the Shadow Broker.



But, yeah, all squad mate loyalty missions ended with Shepard being able to influence each one to do something or not do something, so this will be no different.

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jlb524 wrote...

I think the Broker is one person. In the comic, the Collector is speaking with one individual who has a dialog bubble pointing off-page that represents the Shadow Broker.

But, yeah, all squad mate loyalty missions ended with Shepard being able to influence each one to do something or not do something, so this will be no different.


What's your thoughts on the Broker being someone that's passed from peron to person, and Feron is just just trying to get his position back, because the new guy is doing disturbing things?

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TMA LIVE wrote...


What's your thoughts on the Broker being someone that's passed from peron to person, and Feron is just just trying to get his position back, because the new guy is doing disturbing things?


That's another possibility too, which may provide a reason for Liara's hesitance or reluctance to make a decision at the end.  As I said, that would make it personal, as she was friends with Feron (don't kill me!).

Why would he allow himself to be caught by the new SB, though?  Or, was that not part of his plan?

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jlb524 wrote...

What would you like to discuss?

Do you believe her quest for vengeance will ultimately end in the death of the Shadow Broker, or not? Or, will this be ultimately up to Shepard?


I'm sorry J, I went to bed . . .  I hope you weren't mocking me, I'll take the bait, anyway.  

Like the rest of Shepard's choices this one will be entirely up to Shepard.  We'll be able to influence Liara's final decision either way, similar to the dialog wheel Baal made, which I am sure you guys in LDG saw by now. If the Shadow Broker dies in this DLC, I wouldn't put it past Bw to allow for Liara replacing him as an option.  In that case, we can kiss her squad mate status for ME3 good bye.  

If I wake up, I'll post something more coherent.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Yes, MORE INFIGHTING is what this thread needs. Yep. C'mon, people. Liara is one of my favorite characters, if not my favorite. And the fan bs crap is making it SO hard for me even to get excited for the ONLY piece of dlc I truly have been waiting for.

This whole MShep vs. FemShep is crap. Yes, Bw you should have put more thought into FemShep animations, among other things, but other than that, both Shepards are awesome (esp. when romancing Liara).

We don't have much to discuss anymore, bt we are about to, because Bw will probably release a short trailer of the Liara dlc, and we can go nuts with the speculation and admiration again. You know, ME 2 is an M-rated game, which means only adults should be playing it. It would be nice if some of us (myself included at times) could act with maturity, and if you disagree, here's a novel suggestion, be polite.

Just a suggestion.


[smilie]http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv133/jlb141/Liara1/LiaraMotivational.jpg[/smilie]


I like that picture. I think Liara was more attractive in ME1 to be honest.

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hey all