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[bjdbwea]

Yeah, that has been brought up. I think the developers themselves said that they wanted to make sure the ME 1 companions survive, to be back in ME 3. But it is obvious that since ME 1, there have been significant changes within BioWare. And I believe it has already changed ME 2 to be quite different from what the writers may have originally had in mind. So what remains of the plans / promises regarding the ME 1 companions remains to be seen.

And I agree about the suicide mission thing. Bad idea from the start. Most players will always make sure to get everything right (it's not exactly rocket science), and will not even see the different ways some characters may die. And of course it's a nightmare as far as continuation into ME 3 is concerned. As I said, a developer with so much experience shouldn't do so much wrong, even if it's the first time they attempt to create a trilogy.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 10 mars 2010 - 11:56 .

[Crimmsonwind]

Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I just totally hate the idea of the suicide mission. I'm not opposed to recruiting new people but it seems like a dumb thing to do when they could all die at the end of the game. I think the suicide mission itself was lackluster and it was way too easy to have everyone survive it.

My ideal ME2 would have been having the plot pick up right after ME1. You and your squad are further investigating the Reaper threat while also recruiting new people to further expand your squad resources. Your missions then would have consisted of either further researching the Reaper/Collector threat (like taking a trip to Ilos again) or recruiting these new squad mates. None of these squad mates can die either, which removes worries about their continuity into ME3. I'm not sure how the ending would work for my idea...maybe scratch the final boss fight/suicide mission and just have a huge revelation about the Reapers at the end. A cliffhanger that would've set up ME3 would've been nice.

Agreed.  ME1 left us with the Reapers still out there but trapped in Dark Space.  ME2 should have been about them trying to get out of dark space, Shepard trying to stop them, and ultimately failing at the end, leading into ME3. 

Now I guess they are just going to sort of appear out of nowhere in ME3.  So much for being trapped in dark space and ME1 having a purpose at all. <_<

You know... if Sovereign/Nazara was supposed to be the one Reaper scout left out to signal the others to come back... then why was Harbinger active in the second one? Granted we only see his hologram but... that was kinda bothering me. It kinda seemed like he had been working with the Collectors and controlling them for a while, longer than the events in the two games, and you could argue that we hadn't heard of them int he first one because we were never really in Terminus space, where they were more active. They say the Collectors have been kidnapping small numbers of various species for a while. So it's not like they just magically appeared for the second game. So unless both Harbinger and Sovereign were left active, I see some issues.

And to be on topic: Liara = <3

Modifié par Crimmsonwind, 10 mars 2010 - 11:57 .

[WilliamShatner]

jlb524 wrote...

I just totally hate the idea of the suicide mission. I'm not opposed to recruiting new people but it seems like a dumb thing to do when they could all die at the end of the game. I think the suicide mission itself was lackluster and it was way too easy to have everyone survive it.

My ideal ME2 would have been having the plot pick up right after ME1. You and your squad are further investigating the Reaper threat while also recruiting new people to further expand your squad resources. Your missions then would have consisted of either further researching the Reaper/Collector threat (like taking a trip to Ilos again) or recruiting these new squad mates. None of these squad mates can die either, which removes worries about their continuity into ME3. I'm not sure how the ending would work for my idea...maybe scratch the final boss fight/suicide mission and just have a huge revelation about the Reapers at the end. A cliffhanger that would've set up ME3 would've been nice.

Yep.  They could have also used Sovereign.  You have a massive piece of Reaper technology a couple of feet from you.  I would have started the game with Shepard (and crew) going into Sovereign and perhaps finding co-ordinates of other reapers.

I would have also kept Cerberus as a subplot and add a big revelation considering that at the end of the subplot which would be wrapped up in ME3.

Shadow Broker would also have paid a much bigger role, something similar to The Illusive Man.  You need to contact him for information against the Reapers.  If you gave him in the information in ME1, he says "No problem!" , if you didn't he you have to do a mission for him.  And if you don't want to use him, you can do that too but you'd have to do investigating of your own. If you are renegade you can do jobs for him against the Alliance.

I would also have made being a Spectre important.  This is Shepard after her first mission as a Spectre so ME2 would see her become more comfortable in the role.  I would have put an older Spectre on the squad as a mentor figure for Shepard.  Perhaps slightly unhinged, one that could be turned paragon/renegade depending on your action.

[Nozybidaj]

General Stubbs wrote...

The only was I can see to tie up all of the plot holes left because of ME2 (A big one would be why the Reapers even spent two years trying to make one more Reaper and didn't even make a move to exterminate all life) is a Liara Expansion.

Or they have no intention of tying up the holes and are just going to move forward from the end of ME2.  

There are any number of ways they could have gone with ME2 that created a true sequel to the first game that expanded on the story set up in ME1 and progressed the characters and the themes from that game creating a true cohesive story that spanned three games, a trilogy.  

They obviously didn't want to do that and decided that hitting the reset button and starting over was the better option for whatever new direction they have planned.  At this point the only assumption I can make is the ME1 story and the characters that were left behind were done so for a reason and their loose inclusion in ME2 was purely just thrown in as the smallest bit of fan service.

Now they could try and prove me wrong by bringing out a huge Liara expansion and all that, but 1) We have no indication that is actually going to happen and 2) It still doesn't really make up for what they did in ME2 story wise.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong here, but I doubt BW has any intention of tying up all the loose ends or make the characters left behind in ME2 important again.  To think they didn't do the things they did intentionally would be rather short sighted.

[bjdbwea]

Perhaps it would be best if they changed their plans from a trilogy to four parts. If ME 3 is already to be released next year or early in the following, there's no way you can bring everything to a proper conclusion. They destroyed that chance by introducing all this unnecessary new stuff and characters in ME 2. I for one would certainly be willing to buy two more games featuring Shepard, IF they are good.

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...

Perhaps it would be best if they changed their plans from a trilogy to four parts. If ME 3 is already to be released next year or early in the following, there's no way you can bring everything to a proper conclusion. They destroyed that chance by introducing all this unnecessary new stuff and characters in ME 2. I for one would certainly be willing to buy two more games featuring Shepard, IF they are good.

Agreed.  There is no way they can make everything come out in a satisfactory way with only one game at this point.  Short of 2 or 3 huge expansions between now and ME3 (that basically add up to a whole new chapter themselves) the only way to pull it off would be to plan for ME4, though the chance of that is slim to none.

[AndroLeonidas]

Nozybidaj wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

The only was I can see to tie up all of the plot holes left because of ME2 (A big one would be why the Reapers even spent two years trying to make one more Reaper and didn't even make a move to exterminate all life) is a Liara Expansion.

Or they have no intention of tying up the holes and are just going to move forward from the end of ME2.  

There are any number of ways they could have gone with ME2 that created a true sequel to the first game that expanded on the story set up in ME1 and progressed the characters and the themes from that game creating a true cohesive story that spanned three games, a trilogy.  

They obviously didn't want to do that and decided that hitting the reset button and starting over was the better option for whatever new direction they have planned.  At this point the only assumption I can make is the ME1 story and the characters that were left behind were done so for a reason and their loose inclusion in ME2 was purely just thrown in as the smallest bit of fan service.

Now they could try and prove me wrong by bringing out a huge Liara expansion and all that, but 1) We have no indication that is actually going to happen and 2) It still doesn't really make up for what they did in ME2 story wise.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong here, but I doubt BW has any intention of tying up all the loose ends or make the characters left behind in ME2 important again.  To think they didn't do the things they did intentionally would be rather short sighted.

Unless of course... Mass Effect goes the way of Star Wars and Resident Evil and there are more than three games. This would make sense long term since the ME universe is getting bigger and bigger and drawing more fans in. I just don't see how it is possible to bring to a conclusion everything in only one more game. It woul dhave to be like a 100 hour game at the bare minimum.  The more I think about it... the more I believe they are going to make more than three games and this will become the Star Wars universe of RPG video games. Sort of what was originally intended for the KOTOR series before the second game was screwed up so badly.

[bjdbwea]

Oh, there will be more games in the universe. But no more about Shepard, and I wouldn't count on them being RPGs either.

[Crimmsonwind]

You know, if they really took their time to craft a big game, and they aren't pressured by EA to release in a certain and rushed timeframe, they could probably fit everything into one big game, as opposed to two games. I wouldn't mind a 100-hour game. It would make it worth the 50 bucks.



Aaaand, if they're feeling generous, they could throw in some Liara DLC to try and patch up some holes.

[jlb524]

I guess the problem is that ME isn't a true 'trilogy' like we expected (and they led us to believe pre-ME1) but is just three vaguely related stand-alone games.

[jlb524]

Somebody1003 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Oh, there will be more games in the universe. But no more about Shepard, and I wouldn't count on them being RPGs either.

But that means no Liara LI either.

They'll probably kill Liara off at the end of ME3 in order to be 'fair' to the fans of the other characters.  'Everyone else can die so why can't Liara!!??!!'  

[screwoffreg]

jlb524 wrote...

I guess the problem is that ME isn't a true 'trilogy' like we expected (and they led us to believe pre-ME1) but is just three vaguely related stand-alone games.

Between potential Liara DLC and an expansion in early 2011, leading up to ME 3's release, I am confident they will be able to wrap up the story well...I hope.

[Nynaeve]

To be honest I'm really going to miss my main Shep at the end of her journey...she's so kickass its unreal...I've made other Sheps (all female except one male that I just couldn't get into, hence his game will forever remain incomplete) but they don't compare to my original Jane...I'm REALLY gonna miss her, I think I may just love her as much as Liara =)

[screwoffreg]

frij wrote...

To be honest I'm really going to miss my main Shep at the end of her journey...she's so kickass its unreal...I've made other Sheps (all female except one male that I just couldn't get into, hence his game will forever remain incomplete) but they don't compare to my original Jane...I'm REALLY gonna miss her, I think I may just love her as much as Liara =)

Don't be sad yet..we have a few years before this tale ends.  I imagine 10 years from now, if the world hasn't collapsed into a Mad Max dystopia, we will dust off our copies of the ME trilogy and still have it to entertain us.  Hell, people still play Baldurs Gate to this day, despite how bad the graphics have aged...

[Crimmsonwind]

Somebody1003 wrote...

I want more Liara.

Don't we all? 

[Crimmsonwind]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

I want more Liara.

Don't we all? 

Yes.
That rumored dlc better be real, and awsome.

If it makes you feel any better, you could stare at this. XD

http://crimm-art.dev...oodle-156808352

[Crimmsonwind]

Somebody1003 wrote...


Quite good, I wish I had the skills to draw my Shep and Liara.

Thanks. All this Liara talk got me going. Had to doodle something to hold myself over. -.-