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[Ulathar]

Hi Marcin.

Modifié par Systemlord Baal, 28 juillet 2010 - 09:28 .

[Luke_Shepard]

Morning Marcin (and everyone)!



I'm going to try and post on here more regularly from now on, although I am leaving for town in 2 hours, but I'll be back

[Luke_Shepard]

Shavon wrote...

Heh, I am disappearing for part of August . . . . but we must hold the line!

Where's Captain Kirrahe when you need him? 


EDIT: Anyway must dash, see ya'll later!

Modifié par Luke_Shepard, 28 juillet 2010 - 10:23 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Hey all!

"Looks back at the last pages"

Not again!

To start with:

jlb524 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

 But most in here use femshep/Liara.

Not anymore...we are all gone..you can have your thread and romance back.

My last comment was not posted with any intent to start a flamewar between the fanbases. It was simply a "I like maleshep/Liara but there are also those who like femshep/Liara" Granted I should have worded it better. But I definetly didn't want to start anything.

[Nerevar-as]

I just don´t understand this Shepgender wars.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...


What's your thoughts on the Broker being someone that's passed from peron to person, and Feron is just just trying to get his position back, because the new guy is doing disturbing things?

That's another possibility too, which may provide a reason for Liara's hesitance or reluctance to make a decision at the end.  As I said, that would make it personal, as she was friends with Feron (don't kill me!).

Why would he allow himself to be caught by the new SB, though?  Or, was that not part of his plan?

Well, if that theory proves correct, then I doubt getting caught and beat up was part of the plan. But most likely he'd still be alive, because as an ex-Shadow Broker, he knows things that the new guy can use.

Also, if that's the case, maybe after killing the new guy, your choice is going to be who's gonna be the new broker: Feron or Liara.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 28 juillet 2010 - 12:48 .

[ratzerman]

Shavon wrote...

Yes, MORE INFIGHTING is what this thread needs. Yep. C'mon, people. Liara is one of my favorite characters, if not my favorite. And the fan bs crap is making it SO hard for me even to get excited for the ONLY piece of dlc I truly have been waiting for.

This.
A million times, This.

For the record, I have one Shepard.... a woman.  And the pic spam never bothered me.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I think we can say that it doesn't matter what gender Shepard is, Shepard/Liara is always the best romance period!

[JamieCOTC]

Shavon wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

What would you like to discuss?

Do you believe her quest for vengeance will ultimately end in the death of the Shadow Broker, or not? Or, will this be ultimately up to Shepard?

I'm sorry J, I went to bed . . .  I hope you weren't mocking me, I'll take the bait, anyway.  

Like the rest of Shepard's choices this one will be entirely up to Shepard.  We'll be able to influence Liara's final decision either way, similar to the dialog wheel Baal made, which I am sure you guys in LDG saw by now. If the Shadow Broker dies in this DLC, I wouldn't put it past Bw to allow for Liara replacing him as an option.  In that case, we can kiss her squad mate status for ME3 good bye.  

If I wake up, I'll post something more coherent.

Not necessarily.  In the comic, the SB infers that he can be wherever he needs to be.  In ME1, you have the option, not that anyone has done this, to save Liara toward the end of the game.  Even if you save Liara first, there is still quite a bit of game before she boards the Normandy.  What I am getting at is that Liara could still be the new SB and be on the Normandy.  The two need not be mutually exclusive.  It may mean that we don’t get her for 25% of the game (50% at the absolute worst). Also, if Liara is the new SB, she could take the place of TIM/The Council and thus we “could” see more of her in the 3rd game than even in the first.  Also, seeing Liara, but having her be apart would make the romance that much more challenging.  Thus making the romance more of a romance, instead of a means to an end. 

[Nerevar-as]

If Liara took SB´s place staying in the Normandy would be putting everybody both trustworthy and able to do something about the Reapers in the same place, which is quite dangerous. Finding a hideout, and getting as many of Benezia´s commandos back as possible would be better until Reapers were dealt with.



If she survives ME3, hard to say what she would do as a job: Prothean mistery solved, info brokering was more to hunt SB than a vocation...

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Liaras character is clearly one who has a hunger for information. That was clear with her interest in the protheans, since she wanted to discover and unlock the secrets of a mysterious race nobody knew much about, yet supposedly owed the current tech of the galaxy to them.



Hopefully as Ive said, whatever happens in this DLC leaves it so that for ME3, she gets to return again as another key information character and an important squadmate. Not just as "the new shadow broker" as a supporting npc.

[Fiannawolf]

Righto! I have Coffee and not afraid to drink it!! I want to see all our old squad from ME1 playing an active role with Shep. Id even take controling 2-3 teams to do it.

[jlb524]

Shavon wrote...

I'm sorry J, I went to bed . . .  I hope you weren't mocking me, I'll take the bait, anyway. 

No, I wasn't mocking you

Shavon wrote...

Like the rest of Shepard's choices this one will be entirely up to Shepard.  We'll be able to influence Liara's final decision either way, similar to the dialog wheel Baal made, which I am sure you guys in LDG saw by now. If the Shadow Broker dies in this DLC, I wouldn't put it past Bw to allow for Liara replacing him as an option.  In that case, we can kiss her squad mate status for ME3 good bye.  

If I wake up, I'll post something more coherent.

Yes, I agree it will ultimately be Shepard's decision.  I think something as big as replacing the Shadow Broker wouldn't be an optional choice, though.  If that is indeed what they have planned for her, then they will do it regardless of Shepard's decisions. 

Modifié par jlb524, 28 juillet 2010 - 02:46 .

[jlb524]

Lizardviking wrote...

My last comment was not posted with any intent to start a flamewar between the fanbases. It was simply a "I like maleshep/Liara but there are also those who like femshep/Liara" Granted I should have worded it better. But I definetly didn't want to start anything.

I apologize for snapping at you, I just get irritated sometimes pretty easily

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

My last comment was not posted with any intent to start a flamewar between the fanbases. It was simply a "I like maleshep/Liara but there are also those who like femshep/Liara" Granted I should have worded it better. But I definetly didn't want to start anything.

I apologize for snapping at you, I just get irritated sometimes pretty easily

Don't worry Jilb. It's cool.

[IndigoWolfe]

*Sigh* Three new pages. Three new pages thank to yet another stupid gender arguement that so far have only served to paint people who like to romance Liara with a Male Shepard as egotistical jerks who dislike other people's personal playing preferences simply for being different then their own.



I can't even begin to describe how depressing that is.

[IndigoWolfe]

And, Jlb, I'd just like to say that I really like the new sig banner! *thumbs up*

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

*Sigh* Three new pages. Three new pages thank to yet another stupid gender arguement that so far have only served to paint people who like to romance Liara with a Male Shepard as egotistical jerks who dislike other people's personal playing preferences simply for being different then their own.

I can't even begin to describe how depressing that is.

Hey Indigo!

Also I don't think the situation is that bad. 

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Also, if that's the case, maybe after killing the new guy, your choice is going to be who's gonna be the new broker: Feron or Liara.

I just don't think a major character decision like that would be handled in a DLC, or if it is, it will be something that the player has no control over (i.e., Liara would become the new broker).

I also don't think it would end up being the case of Liara taking over the SB's empire, but would destroy it, and possibly her own would then become the most powerful in its wake, but nothing near as powerful or widespread as the SB's.

[Sigilius]

Well, let's just get back on track. We all play Mass Effect, and we all appreciate Liara. I just think that's what we can draw from this argument.



Now, a fun little game here: Can anyone think of where Liara would be placed if she did (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary) come aboard the Normandy SR2? There's a popular thought that the previously unvisited (and its entrance unseen) Shuttle Bay deck might be revealed.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sigilius wrote...

Well, let's just get back on track. We all play Mass Effect, and we all appreciate Liara. I just think that's what we can draw from this argument.

Now, a fun little game here: Can anyone think of where Liara would be placed if she did (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary) come aboard the Normandy SR2? There's a popular thought that the previously unvisited (and its entrance unseen) Shuttle Bay deck might be revealed.

Considering the fact that every room is occupied I would have to throw Kasumi out. I think Liara would apreciate having a large window in her room/office.

[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

*Sigh* Three new pages. Three new pages thank to yet another stupid gender arguement that so far have only served to paint people who like to romance Liara with a Male Shepard as egotistical jerks who dislike other people's personal playing preferences simply for being different then their own.

I can't even begin to describe how depressing that is.

Hey Indigo!

Also I don't think the situation is that bad. 

No, I think it is. It's hard to erase a reputation --even falsely gained. And very easy to gain one. I skimmed the previous pages and it was clear that the loudest voices who were in --supposed-- support of MaleShep, were not voicing themselves in a couthe manner.

"It takes a hundred hands to build a dam, but only one to breach it."

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Not necessarily.  In the comic, the SB infers that he can be wherever he needs to be.  In ME1, you have the option, not that anyone has done this, to save Liara toward the end of the game.  Even if you save Liara first, there is still quite a bit of game before she boards the Normandy.  What I am getting at is that Liara could still be the new SB and be on the Normandy.  The two need not be mutually exclusive.  It may mean that we don’t get her for 25% of the game (50% at the absolute worst). Also, if Liara is the new SB, she could take the place of TIM/The Council and thus we “could” see more of her in the 3rd game than even in the first.  Also, seeing Liara, but having her be apart would make the romance that much more challenging.  Thus making the romance more of a romance, instead of a means to an end. 

Good points...it's possible she could still be a squad mate in spite of gaining more power as an Info Broker.  I don't see why this would be impossible.