I am 100% certain that Liara will not be killable in this DLC, due to the fact that it was confirmed that she is being saved for ME3 to ensure her survival, and also because such a core and important character in the trilogy will not be killed off in such a trivial manner.
Liara assuming the SB's role and position? Doubtful. The reason why Liara continued on temporarily as an information broker in the cut files was because she was sifting through the data in order to discover information that would assist Shepard against the Collectors. This is now obviously redundant and unneeded, as Shepard was able to defeat the Collector's without any data Liara may discover. That's the original reason as to why Liara would not join the squad. She was going to help you.
This is no longer a necessity, however, so Liara will not continue as an information broker at the conclusion of this DLC.
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#43527
Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:26
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
This is no longer a necessity, however, so Liara will not continue as an information broker at the conclusion of this DLC.
Indeed, she'll be in my cabin fascinated with my Prothean orb and the relevation that the Collectors were once Prothean (and now dead thanks to my actions, oops).
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:26
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Ok, so do you guys realistically think that Liara will be killable in this dlc or that she will even replace the Shadow Broker if the renegade option allows it? I have to play this with June Shepard, obviously, who is renegade . . .omg, that will make me sick to my stomach if that is a possibility.
Killable? No, not in a DLC.
Replacing the SB? Like I said before, I don't think Liara will take over the entire empire and just claim that role as her own, but her own info business may become the most powerful in the galaxy in the SB's wake.
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:28
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Liara assuming the SB's role and position? Doubtful. The reason why Liara continued on temporarily as an information broker in the cut files was because she was sifting through the data in order to discover information that would assist Shepard against the Collectors. This is now obviously redundant and unneeded, as Shepard was able to defeat the Collector's without any data Liara may discover. That's the original reason as to why Liara would not join the squad. She was going to help you.
You can't base anything off those files...they are cut material, and their plans for her may have changed.
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:28
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I think we can say that it doesn't matter what gender Shepard is, Shepard/Liara is always the best romance period!
This 100%
Looking through all my Shepards, I discovered that I romanced Liara the most . . . . despite loving multiple Li's she is the most enjoyable romance for me. . . .yep
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:29
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Anyway, Liara retaining her information network doesn't necessarily preclude her from being a squadmate in ME3. Like I have said before, she could leave her network behind on Illium to be run by committee in her absence, and have them directly reporting to her whilst she is on board the Normandy saving the galaxy. Liara would remain the head of her network in name only, and leave the day job to the group of trusted individuals she leaves behind.
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You can't base anything off those files...they are cut material, and their plans for her may have changed.
That's....the point I was making.
I was saying that the cut files indicate what the original reason behind Liara not joining the squad in ME2 was. It has obviously been rewritten.
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:33
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jlb524 wrote...
Shavon wrote...
Ok, so do you guys realistically think that Liara will be killable in this dlc or that she will even replace the Shadow Broker if the renegade option allows it? I have to play this with June Shepard, obviously, who is renegade . . .omg, that will make me sick to my stomach if that is a possibility.
Killable? No, not in a DLC.
Replacing the SB? Like I said before, I don't think Liara will take over the entire empire and just claim that role as her own, but her own info business may become the most powerful in the galaxy in the SB's wake.
Right. Well, those are the two main points I was worried about . . . now we just ahve to wait and see if Liara is actually out of character. Oh, that would suck.
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:33
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'Ah yes, audio files, we have dismissed that claim'
I'm glad BioWare decided to trash them.
I'm glad BioWare decided to trash them.
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Yet some people insist on perpetuating that crap!
I always have to debunk it and defend Liara as much as possible whenever I see it, ha ha!
I always have to debunk it and defend Liara as much as possible whenever I see it, ha ha!
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:37
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The fact that they mention the Observer and data terminals in Illium should be reason enough to believe they are unused and don't tell us what will happen in the DLC.
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Hmmm, I've seen people make the assumption that there will be a 4 person squad in this DLC, or that perhaps Liara will be an AI controlled character during combat similar to Garrus in his recruitment mission. All this is due to the fact Garrus and Tali are featured in the released screenshot.
I happen to believe that the pair are featured alongside Liara for purely sentimental reasons, and to induce feelings of nostalgia for ME1. In actuality, the DLC will feature a three character squad as usual of which Liara will be a part of.
I happen to believe that the pair are featured alongside Liara for purely sentimental reasons, and to induce feelings of nostalgia for ME1. In actuality, the DLC will feature a three character squad as usual of which Liara will be a part of.
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:40
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Why would they even include those sound files if they are not going to use them? The game was so big, they had to use two disks . . . I am not saying the audio files will be used, I agree with Enfants and J on that one.
They also left a file labeled Liara dlc, which was pretty much empty, they didn't do that for Kasumi (or did they?) Anyone have an idea as to why that is?
They also left a file labeled Liara dlc, which was pretty much empty, they didn't do that for Kasumi (or did they?) Anyone have an idea as to why that is?
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:42
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Shavon wrote...
Why would they even include those sound files if they are not going to use them? The game was so big, they had to use two disks . . . I am not saying the audio files will be used, I agree with Enfants and J on that one.
Sometimes unused material is so deeply entrenched within the game's coding, and requires alot of program rewriting and time and effort to remove, that it is simply easier to just leave the unused files on the game disc.
I think that is the case with these Liara audio files.
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:44
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Shavon wrote...
They also left a file labeled Liara dlc, which was pretty much empty, they didn't do that for Kasumi (or did they?) Anyone have an idea as to why that is?
Possibility that the Liara DLC files are far more substantial in size, and will also make changes to the core game and it's programming, perhaps?
There's also the chance that, at the time of the game's release, Kasumi's content was almost complete, which may not have been the case with Liara's DLC.
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Why would they even include those sound files if they are not going to use them? The game was so big, they had to use two disks . . . I am not saying the audio files will be used, I agree with Enfants and J on that one.
They also left a file labeled Liara dlc, which was pretty much empty, they didn't do that for Kasumi (or did they?) Anyone have an idea as to why that is?
They could have just decided to not use them. Maybe they decided on a different direction for her character.
Did all of Kasumi's voice-files exist on the disc?
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:46
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Please not! I don't want another drell on the squad!
I like the idea of Feron being a squadmate as much as Kolyat, which is to say not at all, but I dont see a problem with any other new drell being on the squad.
Really though I think Feron is too involved as a support character to become a squadmate. Its like people saying Aria for squadmate - yeah I like Aria, but shes kinda central to Omega, so jumping up to shoot baddies and cause asplosions with Shepard doesnt quite mesh.
Its why Im going to be watching where this DLC takes Liara very closely. One thing the game didnt shirk was the ability to ask Liara to join, even if she did decline. Maybe 3 or more times you could ask her if memory serves. Hopefully the DLC lets you ask once more, just to perhaps keep that "squadmate question" alive. If she starts getting comfortable as a supporting NPC, I can imagine where its going to go.
My reason for not having him is more because I already had a hard time trying to stomach Thane. Don't know how I could cope with some Han Solo wannabe, Beside Drell-Flashbacks are the only thing more annoying than Liara's fainting (which is impressive in a way I guess).
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:47
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From what I understand, it's sometimes easier to just leave cut or unused content on the disc than remove it. Hot Coffee, anyone? I very much doubt Liara will be a squadmate.
In other news, it seems Retribution confirms my assumption that maidens cannot have children.
In other news, it seems Retribution confirms my assumption that maidens cannot have children.
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:47
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Alot of the Kasumi audio files, and a character model, were placeholders and scrapped when Kasumi's DLC was released proper.
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:48
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Shavon wrote...
Looking through all my Shepards, I
discovered that I romanced Liara the most . . . . despite loving
multiple Li's she is the most enjoyable romance for me. . . .yep
That's great!
Shavon wrote...
Right. Well, those are the two main points I was worried about . . . now we just ahve to wait and see if Liara is actually out of character. Oh, that would suck.
I hope not...I have faith she will be more open with Shepard. I think her OOC ME2 role was due to the fact that she closed herself off from Shepard and others that care about her...I think we will see those walls finally broken away.
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:49
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In other news, it seems Retribution confirms my assumption that maidens cannot have children.
I heard about that...this doesn't bother me but...
*runs from ensuing sh*tstorm*
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:49
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Did all of Kasumi's voice-files exist on the disc?
Definitely not. Only minor stuff, like battle cries and a few interjections (like on Horizon).
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From what I understand, it's sometimes easier to just leave cut or unused content on the disc than remove it. Hot Coffee, anyone? I very much doubt Liara will be a squadmate.
In other news, it seems Retribution confirms my assumption that maidens cannot have children.
Exactly what I said, jtav! ;-) It's easier to leave this content unused on the game disc.
RE: Maidens and children. Yeah, I'd heard. Sucks.
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:51
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In other news, it seems Retribution confirms my assumption that maidens cannot have children.
I see, although the Matron stage can be triggered early by 'frequent melding' according to the ME wiki.
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Posté 28 juillet 2010 - 04:56
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I suppose it makes sense biologically, though. Due to their long lifespan, if asari were able to conceive children as soon as they become sexually mature, then overpopulation and overcrowding would become a dire problem. By being unable to have children for roughly a third of their lifespan, asari population levels would be stable.
