50907 réponses à ce sujet

[IndigoWolfe]

If and when they give a reason for Liara not to just join Shepard and the Normandy right away, I personally hope it's something we haven't already thought of, something besides the obvious "tie up a few loose ends on Illium". I would like to see something new and unexpected.

That was part of the reason why Redemption failed to deliver a satisfying experience; we already knew almost everything. And what we didn't know, we guessed beforehand.

So I would like to see something unexpected. That being said, I would prefer it if it ended with Liara's sentiment being "If you need me, I promise I'll be there."

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 29 juillet 2010 - 04:37 .

[Master Wolf]

I don't think that Liara ending her own information network would be a reason to not join Shepard the only thing she need to do his erase all her data or keep it and upload it to EDI and tell her contacts that she will not need their services anymore. I would also not mind of somethimg original that keept Liara out of the Normandy since that original is good and not tragic but I don't see many reasons for Liara not join Shepard after the SB is death besides the one that I mentioned.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 29 juillet 2010 - 04:45 .

[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

No, Redemption was not a satisfying experience because it did not explain or elaborate on anything when it was desperately needed. If anything, it actually depicted less than what was shown in ME2, and what Liara had already stated and related to. Greater explanation and exposition was required from Redemption, and it failed to deliver.

This necessity is not present with Liara's possible reasons for not immediately rejoining the Normandy at the conclusion of her DLC. We don't need some elaborate excuse or explanation. Something simple and satisfying, that clearly shows that Liara will rejoin the squad very soon, will suffice. Why have something complicated for the sake of forced drama?

I said the lack of unknown content was *part* of the reason why Redemption failed to deliver a satisfying experience.

Now, you do raise a good point; in general, drama for drama's sake alone is not the best of ideas. But I wouldn't exclude the possibility of a more complex reason being worked into the overarching storyline. I find myself torn between wanting Liara to have a continuing story arc of her own, thus ensuring an important presence in the overall story of Mass Effect. And wanting her to be reintigrated with Shepard's story, while probably lessening her importance.

That being said, it's also possible that Bioware could mesh these two story elements, but I think hoping for something like that would be far less realistic.

Of course, any assumption I or anyone could make at this point is made almost entirely without base or evidence. In the end, only Bioware knows what Bioware is going to do. All I can really do is hope that it will satisfy Liara fans as a whole.

[jlb524]

I prefer a twist ending and something 'new and unexpected' to, 'Sorry, Shepard...I have to run some errands...I'll see ya later!'

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Why have something complicated for the sake of forced drama?

I like complicated drama.

[jlb524]

Why would she dismantle it if it could prove useful to Shepard in the future?

[jlb524]

IndigoWolfe wrote...
I find myself torn between wanting Liara to have a continuing story arc of her own, thus ensuring an important presence in the overall story of Mass Effect. And wanting her to be reintigrated with Shepard's story, while probably lessening her importance.

I have a similar problem...it would be really cool if Liara becomes vital to the story and in helping Shepard defeat the Reapers, but this may harm her chances of becoming a full squad mate in ME3.

[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

It takes time to end your own business empire. You can't just walk away and expect it to fall apart by itself. Liara would need to terminate the employment contracts of all of her contacts, she'd have to wipe most of her data so that it does not fall into the wrong hands, she also needs to ensure that she does not leave behind a power vacuum that others could exploit.

Liara dismantling her own network would be a lengthy and arduous process.

But why would she do this? It seems to me that a vast network of information, informants and intelligence-gathering would be a very useful thing to have. And Liara is smart enough to know this.

Now, Liara could leave it in the hands of someone she trusts --Feron perhaps?-- and therefor not need to worry about the power vaccum, loose sensitive information and employment logistics.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 29 juillet 2010 - 04:55 .

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I like complicated drama.

When it's forced, it is bad!

Don't bring some crap out of left field. Integrate it into her existing character arc!

They could do that...I didn't say I liked 'forced' drama.  I said 'complicated'. 

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

It takes time to end your own business empire. You can't just walk away and expect it to fall apart by itself. Liara would need to terminate the employment contracts of all of her contacts, she'd have to wipe most of her data so that it does not fall into the wrong hands, she also needs to ensure that she does not leave behind a power vacuum that others could exploit.

Liara dismantling her own network would be a lengthy and arduous process.

I desagree Liara can end the contracts while in the Normandy , erase her data would not take that long and of course that after Liara end her information network will be a power vacuum there's nothing Liara can do about it.

[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

With the Shadow Broker vanquished, why would a relatively small, Nos Astra based information network be useful in any way against a galactic invasion fleet of ancient mecha gods?

Was there any indication that it is based solely around Nos Astra? Because it seems to me that if you're going after someone as wide-spread as the Shadow Broker, you'd need contacts and strands of your information web beyond such a --in the big picture-- small part of the galactic underworld that is Illium.

Kasumi references doing business with Liara's people before, I'd expect that Liara needed to go a bot beyond Nos Astra to get someone as elusive as Kasumi's services.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...
I find myself torn between wanting Liara to have a continuing story arc of her own, thus ensuring an important presence in the overall story of Mass Effect. And wanting her to be reintigrated with Shepard's story, while probably lessening her importance.

I have a similar problem...it would be really cool if Liara becomes vital to the story and in helping Shepard defeat the Reapers, but this may harm her chances of becoming a full squad mate in ME3.

I agree I would also like to see with a vital role to the stroy in helping Shepard but I belive this will happen with Liara as squadmate...I hope.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

With the Shadow Broker vanquished, why would a relatively small, Nos Astra based information network be useful in any way against a galactic invasion fleet of ancient mecha gods?

It has proven useful to Shepard in the past.  Plus, she will gain all the SB's data..do you think she will just delete it all?

[Master Wolf]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Kasumi references doing business with Liara's people before, I'd expect that Liara needed to go a bot beyond Nos Astra to get someone as elusive as Kasumi's services.

I think that might have been Kasumi contacting Liara's people as a thief she would need information about her target so she go to an information broker, and this Kasumi  job might have been in Ilium for now we only have indication that Liara work only on Ilium but I also belive that her network is biger than that I don't belive however is that her information network will hepl against the reapers no mater the size of this network.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 29 juillet 2010 - 05:05 .

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Oh FFS...

I am merely suggesting what Liara's own reasons may be. I do not necessarily share them, or consider the decisions to be rational.

And, we are discussing your suggestion with you...no big deal

[IndigoWolfe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

But why would she do this? It seems to me that a vast network of information, informants and intelligence-gathering would be a very useful thing to have. And Liara is smart enough to know this.

Now, Liara could leave it in the hands of someone she trusts --Feron perhaps?-- and therefor not need to worry about the power vaccum, loose sensitive information and employment logistics.

I know that, and I have actually suggested something similar in the past regarding Liara possibly leaving her network behind to be managed by committee that reports to her.

I was merely suggesting a possible end to the DLC, and an explanation as to why Liara cannot rejoin the Normandy right away.

Alright, I can see how that would work.

Although, personally, I'm not sure why it would be presented as an option. As it stands, I can't think of a particular reason why Liara or Shepard would give up such a potentially useful resource. For the most part, Shepard makes desicions with a reason that's logical to Shepard. Especially in the choice category this one would most likely be in. I don't see what reason a Paragon or a Renegade Shepard would want to do away with an information network.

Perhaps a Renegade option of encouraging Liara's agents to be more aggresive, thus securing more influence that way, or more a subtle approach, with only taking nessecary action. Leaving with less overt influence and power, but more information.