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Master Wolf wrote...

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Kasumi references doing business with Liara's people before, I'd expect that Liara needed to go a bot beyond Nos Astra to get someone as elusive as Kasumi's services.


I think that might have been Kasumi contacting Liara's people as a thief she would need information about her target so she go to an information broker, and this Kasumi  job might have been in Ilium for now we only have indication that Liara work only on Ilium but I also belive that her network is biger than that I don't belive however is that her information network will hepl against the reapers no mater the size of this network.


Not neccesarily against the Reapers, but whatever proxy soldiers they have in the third game. I seriously doubt the Reaper fleet will show up in ME3 until the climax of the game.
 
And Shepard has to deal with Council politics again, either way. I think our Spectre would find some use for it.

Besides looking for great vacation spots.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

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And, we are discussing your suggestion with you...no big deal :D


Yes, but you're freaking stating stuff to me that I happen to agree with and it is annoying!!!!!

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I do this all the time...bring up suggestions I don't believe in or endorse, for the sake of discussion (i.e., like the SB is Liara's father).  It's fun!  No worries man!

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jlb524 wrote...

I do this all the time...bring up suggestions I don't believe in or endorse, for the sake of discussion (i.e., like the SB is Liara's father).  It's fun!  No worries man!


:wub: I could never get mad at you!

Hell, maybe instead of dismantling her network, Liara could instead begin the process of relocating her operations to Council space, where she will not be forced into the aspects of working as an information broker that are necessary in the Terminus Systems, like threatening or strongarming her clients, that she also happens to hate? Perhaps that could be the reason as to why she temporarily is unable to rejoin the Normandy at the conclusion of this DLC?

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

Not neccesarily against the Reapers, but whatever proxy soldiers they have in the third game. I seriously doubt the Reaper fleet will show up in ME3 until the climax of the game.
 
And Shepard has to deal with Council politics again, either way. I think our Spectre would find some use for it.

Besides looking for great vacation spots.


I don't think that the reapers will work throught agents in ME3  I think that they stop doing that after the collectors were destroyed they might not show up until the end but Shepard will be spending his time gathering the suport of the different races. At least this is how I imagine that will happen in ME3..

Unless in the midle of all that information there is prove of the reapers existence i don't see how it would be usefull for Shepard when dealing with the council unless he uses it to blackmail the council.

But since Shepard and Liara will need long vacations after the reaper are destroyed that reason alone is good enought to keep the data.Image IPB

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Or, perhaps she really will be a non-squadmate NPC on board the Normandy at the conclusion of the DLC, especially if it is post suicide mission?

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

Not neccesarily against the Reapers, but whatever proxy soldiers they have in the third game. I seriously doubt the Reaper fleet will show up in ME3 until the climax of the game.
 
And Shepard has to deal with Council politics again, either way. I think our Spectre would find some use for it.

Besides looking for great vacation spots.


In ME3, I think Shepard (and crew) will have to complete missions to win the favor of nations and groups (quarians, krogan, geth, etc.), so the info network could help with these too.

No matter how nice Shepard asks, no one will just agree to help out against the Reapers without wanting or needing something in return.

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I think if the DLC is after the suicide misson there is no need to come up with reason for Liara not join the Normandy unless that reason will be to prepare her role in ME3 it's still fun to speculate about it tough.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Or, perhaps she really will be a non-squadmate NPC on board the Normandy at the conclusion of the DLC, especially if it is post suicide mission?


That's possible too..I was just interested in possible reasons she wouldn't join.

I actually think it's more likely she will join, especially if this mission is post-suicide mission (which I feel it will be).

My hunch could be wrong...we just need more info from them...we have 2 screen shots and a few blurbs from the devs about this.

Hopefully we will get a trailer in the next few weeks.

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jlb524 wrote...


In ME3, I think Shepard (and crew) will have to complete missions to win the favor of nations and groups (quarians, krogan, geth, etc.), so the info network could help with these too.

No matter how nice Shepard asks, no one will just agree to help out against the Reapers without wanting or needing something in return.


Do you think that the different races will ask for favors in order to fight the reapers even knowing that they will all die if they don't fight together?

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Hopefully the DLC will take place post suicide mission and will end in a way that makes it clear Liara will be back in the squad in ME3.



Thats all I want from this DLC!

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jlb524 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Not neccesarily against the Reapers, but whatever proxy soldiers they have in the third game. I seriously doubt the Reaper fleet will show up in ME3 until the climax of the game.
 
And Shepard has to deal with Council politics again, either way. I think our Spectre would find some use for it.

Besides looking for great vacation spots.


In ME3, I think Shepard (and crew) will have to complete missions to win the favor of nations and groups (quarians, krogan, geth, etc.), so the info network could help with these too.

No matter how nice Shepard asks, no one will just agree to help out against the Reapers without wanting or needing something in return.


All points very true. As the good Doctor Solus once said; "Life is a negotiation, we all want, we all give to get what we want."

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It all depends if BW's writers see Liara's information network as a useful resource. I certainly do, but do they? Is Liara's information network something that will only exist for the purpose of her current character arc?



That's why I'm suggesting that a possible reason as to why Liara will not board the Normandy right away is that she needs to take the time to dismantle her network. I happen to think it is useful, though.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Or, perhaps she really will be a non-squadmate NPC on board the Normandy at the conclusion of the DLC, especially if it is post suicide mission?

I had heard rumors of her becoming the "TIM" of ME3, so she could possibly end up on the Normandy as a non-squadmate. 

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I would only want that Liara ends her information network because I would like to see Liara return in ME3 but as scientist not as information broker.

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Master Wolf wrote...

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In ME3, I think Shepard (and crew) will have to complete missions to win the favor of nations and groups (quarians, krogan, geth, etc.), so the info network could help with these too.

No matter how nice Shepard asks, no one will just agree to help out against the Reapers without wanting or needing something in return.


Do you think that the different races will ask for favors in order to fight the reapers even knowing that they will all die if they don't fight together?


I think so, or ME3 wouldn't be very interesting, if you just go up to the leader of these groups and ask for help, over and over.

I think my using of 'favors' is the wrong word choice...it's more like these groups will have huge problems that prevent them from aiding Shepard right away, and Shepard will have to solve them in order to gain each ally in the Reaper fight.

From what we know now, I think this is the most logical structure to ME3, but who knows what they have in store for us.

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Hopefully the DLC will take place post suicide mission and will end in a way that makes it clear Liara will be back in the squad in ME3.

Thats all I want from this DLC!


Oh, I have a long list all thought out of the things I want from this DLC.

One of which being a mission that at one point, has Liara and Shepard --the former in an evening gown, the latter in Alliance dress uniform-- somewhere classy, waltzing to a nice piece. Perhaps Lorelei Rheinklänge, but I don't have a particular preference.

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That's possible too..I was just interested in possible reasons she wouldn't join.

I actually think it's more likely she will join, especially if this mission is post-suicide mission (which I feel it will be).

My hunch could be wrong...we just need more info from them...we have 2 screen shots and a few blurbs from the devs about this.

Hopefully we will get a trailer in the next few weeks.


I also strongly speculate that this will be the case, and in order to facilitate Liara becoming a NPC character on board the Normandy after the conclusion of her DLC alterations to the rest of the game will have to be made, which is obviously what has been stated as a reason as to why this DLC will not be released in certain territories. The changes to the game as a whole could be because Liara will be coded to be an NPC on board the Normandy, in preperation for her squadmate role in ME3.

The mission should be post-suicide mission...how strange and out of place will the picture scene look pre-Omega 4 relay if that were not the case?

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jlb524 wrote...

I think so, or ME3 wouldn't be very interesting, if you just go up to the leader of these groups and ask for help, over and over.

I think my using of 'favors' is the wrong word choice...it's more like these groups will have huge problems that prevent them from aiding Shepard right away, and Shepard will have to solve them in order to gain each ally in the Reaper fight.

From what we know now, I think this is the most logical structure to ME3, but who knows what they have in store for us.


I see something like DA I wouldn't mind if they did ME3 follow a similar path to DA although I would prefer something original but you are right for what we have see until now that's the more logical path to follow.

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I would only want that Liara ends her information network because I would like to see Liara return in ME3 but as scientist not as information broker.


I don't think this is going to happen. We can't go backwards in life, only forwards. I don't think Liara would be able to simply go back to being a simple scientist after all she's been through. Like it or not, the two years she's spent as an information broker has changed her. She's grown, matured and also done things she regrets.

I think, in the end, she'll come out a stronger person because of all this.

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I had heard rumors of her becoming the "TIM" of ME3, so she could possibly end up on the Normandy as a non-squadmate. 


Maybe. The Council/TIM quest-giver role and squadmate status aren't necessarily mutually exclusive for Liara, though.

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I hope that if Liara is a NPC in the Normandy they give at least some good coversations perhaps Liara and Shepard talking about everything that happened or somthing like that I would not like to have Liara as a NPC that don't talk.

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Oh, Liara's post ME trilogy role and occupation?

I'd love it if she were to become a leader amongst the asari, leading sweeping reforms and progressive alterations to their society for the better! Kinda funny, huh? Liara originally rejected and defied what was expected of her in terms of following in Benezia's footsteps, when ultimately she might do and accomplish alot of good in the process.

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If they allowed Liara fans to write the DLC, the thing would be 40+ hours long (with minimal combat).

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The mission should be post-suicide mission...how strange and out of place will the picture scene look pre-Omega 4 relay if that were not the case?


Yes, that's why I think it will be the first of the 'post' suicide mission stuff.  Also, I believe there will be a DLC that brings back the surviving Alliance soldier somewhere down the line...possibly in the one that will tie in ME2 to ME3.  They would have the same picture scene problem as Liara.

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If they allowed Liara fans to write the DLC, the thing would be 40+ hours long (with minimal combat).


Truth! I wish that were the case!

Yes, that's why I think it will be the first of the 'post' suicide mission stuff.  Also, I believe there will be a DLC that brings back the surviving Alliance soldier somewhere down the line...possibly in the one that will tie in ME2 to ME3.  They would have the same picture scene problem as Liara.


Yes, and there is the distinct and very likely possibility that this DLC also serves the purpose of reintegrating Liara into the main story of the trilogy, and acting as preperation for her squadmate role in ME3. Do want!

Surviving Alliance soldier DLC is a necessity.

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

I would only want that Liara ends her information network because I would like to see Liara return in ME3 but as scientist not as information broker.


I don't think this is going to happen. We can't go backwards in life, only forwards. I don't think Liara would be able to simply go back to being a simple scientist after all she's been through. Like it or not, the two years she's spent as an information broker has changed her. She's grown, matured and also done things she regrets.

I think, in the end, she'll come out a stronger person because of all this.


I know but the fact that Liara has changed and had became stronger don't make it impssible for her to return to be a scientist after all being a she is a scientist that what she choose to be is the information broker  business is just something that she needed to hunt the SB.