Right now I would just be happy to know for absolute certainty if it was either pre/post suicide mission (like the other DLC so far) or only post suicide mission. Hoping for the latter obviously.
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#44127
Posté 01 août 2010 - 12:43
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The whole Shadow Broker/Liara thing is full of just too many unanswered questions at this point...this DLC cannot come fast enough.
Don't worry. Liara in the DLC will be a good person, or at least show that she had to do so much, and wants it to end.
You know, I thought of a new thoery for the kiss reaction. What if she pulled away, because she doesn't want you involve with someone like what she believes she is right now?
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#44128
Posté 01 août 2010 - 01:42
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Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...
Right now I would just be happy to know for absolute certainty if it was either pre/post suicide mission (like the other DLC so far) or only post suicide mission. Hoping for the latter obviously.
Yes, as we are technically heading into August tonight, we should expect more information coming up. I bet this is one thing they will answer pre-DLC release, so people can prepare their games if needed.
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 01:47
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Done worry. Liara in the DLC will be a good person, or at least show that she had to do so much, and wants it to end.
You know, I thought of a new thoery for the kiss reaction. What if she pulled away, because she doesn't want you involve with someone like what she believes she is right now?
Maybe, but is there any indication she hates what she has become? I don't see it. The only guilt she expresses is in handing Shepard's body over to Cerberus. They could, I guess, retcon this in the DLC, and have her express regret to Shepard, for her past actions. We'll see.
I don't think the Liara in ME2 is necessarily a bad person either. She is still a good person, but caught up in a bad situation, and thus has to take more extreme measures than the ones she would usually take. The problem (IMO) is that we just don't get to really talk to her about it, and the whole situation is confusing, especially if you romanced her. The DLC will (hopefully) repair this.
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 04:57
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Here's to high hopes for Liara in this DLC! May we once again see everyone's favorite blue angel! (I really don't have much more to say on the topic until we get a release date).
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 05:39
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#44132
Posté 01 août 2010 - 06:57
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I do enjoy how "Lair of the Shadow Broker" has pretty much turned into "The Liara DLC", that's certainly what I've been calling it. Here's to hoping that there is indeed a maximum of Liara and a minimum of Shadow Broker, and that, when the Shadow Broker is eating floor (or I may send the remains into dark space for the reapers) Liara can join the Normandy... Or is, at least, still alive.
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I don't think that Liara has "become" a different person at all, and is not "bad" or "evil" in any way, shape or form at all. She's a fundamentally good person that happens to find herself in a terrible predicament, and an inherently bad situation that is forcing her to do terrible things that she absolutely hates. The only aspect of her character that I feel has changed is that her idealism and worldliness has been worn away, and that Liara is now alot more jaded and cynical as she has experienced the seedy, dirty underside of the galaxy. Prior to the events of ME1, I imagine that, fighting off pirates and mercenaries whilst on remote dig sites aside, Liara lived something of a sheltered life as the only daughter of a powerful and renowned Matriarch. She's extremely capable and independant, and mature too, but she did not experience these aspects of galactic society that happen to be dangerous, corrupt, dirty and extremely seedy. Travelling with Shepard and saving the galaxy has opened her eyes to the wrongs that persist in galactic society.
I do feel that it is made patently clear that Liara does not enjoy aspects of her job as an information broker, especially the strongarming and threatening. Her sad, pensive pause when she states "Everything I'm doing, I'm doing of my own free will....for better or for worse" is evidence of this, as well as expressing distaste when she states that the dead bodies still smell in her current line of work. As I said before, Liara is a fundamentally good person caught in an inherently bad situation.
I do feel that it is made patently clear that Liara does not enjoy aspects of her job as an information broker, especially the strongarming and threatening. Her sad, pensive pause when she states "Everything I'm doing, I'm doing of my own free will....for better or for worse" is evidence of this, as well as expressing distaste when she states that the dead bodies still smell in her current line of work. As I said before, Liara is a fundamentally good person caught in an inherently bad situation.
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 07:09
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
I don't think that Liara has "become" a different person at all, and is not "bad" or "evil" in any way, shape or form at all. She's a fundamentally good person that happens to find herself in a terrible predicament, and an inherently bad situation that is forcing her to do terrible things that she absolutely hates. The only aspect of her character that I feel has changed is that her idealism and worldliness has been worn away, and that Liara is now alot more jaded and cynical as she has experienced the seedy, dirty underside of the galaxy. Prior to the events of ME1, I imagine that, fighting off pirates and mercenaries whilst on remote dig sites aside, Liara lived something of a sheltered life as the only daughter of a powerful and renowned Matriarch. She's extremely capable and independant, and mature too, but she did not experience these aspects of galactic society that happen to be dangerous, corrupt, dirty and extremely seedy. Travelling with Shepard and saving the galaxy has opened her eyes to the wrongs that persist in galactic society.
I do feel that it is made patently clear that Liara does not enjoy aspects of her job as an information broker, especially the strongarming and threatening. Her sad, pensive pause when she states "Everything I'm doing, I'm doing of my own free will....for better or for worse" is evidence of this, as well as expressing distaste when she states that the dead bodies still smell in her current line of work. As I said before, Liara is a fundamentally good person caught in an inherently bad situation.
Yeah, I think so to. I was just a little disappointed with how brief Liara's ME2 appearance was. Really hope we see the real Liara return in ME3.
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 07:22
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I do enjoy how "Lair of the Shadow Broker" has pretty much turned into "The Liara DLC", that's certainly what I've been calling it. Here's to hoping that there is indeed a maximum of Liara and a minimum of Shadow Broker, and that, when the Shadow Broker is eating floor (or I may send the remains into dark space for the reapers) Liara can join the Normandy... Or is, at least, still alive.
We've been referring to it as the "Liara DLC" since ME2's release, I doubt that's going to change anytime soon!
I also hope that there is a substantial amount of Liara content, and that a signifcant amount of interaction between Liara and Shepard is incorporated. The pair of them hunting down and confronting the Shadow Broker will be the focus, of course. I also seriously, seriously doubt that Liara will be able to die at some point in this DLC. She is being saved for ME3 for a reason, after all. I think it's pretty obvious that she will play a vital story role at some point in ME3. I also think that it's possible that Liara will rejoin the Normandy as a non-squadmate NPC, especially if the DLC is post-suicide mission.
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 08:05
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Yeah, I think so to. I was just a little disappointed with how brief Liara's ME2 appearance was. Really hope we see the real Liara return in ME3.
Indeed, Liara's lack of screentime in ME2 was very disappointing. That will most certainly be addressed in her upcoming DLC!
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 12:38
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Hey Marcin.
Quiet day today, huh? Hmmm, allow me to try to initiate some discussion. Do some of you guys also subscribe to my belief that Liara will gradually open up over the course of her DLC mission, and reveal the extent of her suffering and the anguish she has endured? Do you also believe that we will be able to comfort and console her at last?
Quiet day today, huh? Hmmm, allow me to try to initiate some discussion. Do some of you guys also subscribe to my belief that Liara will gradually open up over the course of her DLC mission, and reveal the extent of her suffering and the anguish she has endured? Do you also believe that we will be able to comfort and console her at last?
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 12:53
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I remain very hopeful that both of these sections featured in Liara's page on the Mass Effect wiki will have to be updated and expanded very soon. :-)
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 12:55
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Hey Marcin.
Quiet day today, huh? Hmmm, allow me to try to initiate some discussion. Do some of you guys also subscribe to my belief that Liara will gradually open up over the course of her DLC mission, and reveal the extent of her suffering and the anguish she has endured? Do you also believe that we will be able to comfort and console her at last?
In my opinion we can see the whole mission as Liaras Loyalty Mission...hopefully in the style of Kasumi and Zaaed, in which it will lead to her being onboard and in the team...and in which ya can have a final dialogue followed by the standard cuddle options in your cabin.
I also expect that, if it will be post suicide mission, it will be an extern addon like Lelianas Song or the Darkspawn Chronicles. meaning you can either choose to play the main story or play "The lair of the Shadow Broker" where you import your save...with the difference that you can after that still complete missing N7 missions and keep floating around in the ME space.
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#44141
Posté 01 août 2010 - 12:58
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Quiet day today, huh? Hmmm, allow me to try to initiate some discussion. Do some of you guys also subscribe to my belief that Liara will gradually open up over the course of her DLC mission, and reveal the extent of her suffering and the anguish she has endured? Do you also believe that we will be able to comfort and console her at last?
I really hope that Liara and Shepard talk about everything that happened in the time they have been separeted not only about Liara suffering but I also want that Shepard is able to tell her how much he have missed her since he got back and see Shepard show his love for Liara not only by conforting her but also by reafirming his love for her.
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 12:59
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If there's to be any more character development from Liara then that seems the most likely place to start, and short of antagonizing her about it I'm not sure what options you'd be given other than offering consolation, should the conversation arise.
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 01:08
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Hey Marcin.
Quiet day today, huh? Hmmm, allow me to try to initiate some discussion. Do some of you guys also subscribe to my belief that Liara will gradually open up over the course of her DLC mission, and reveal the extent of her suffering and the anguish she has endured? Do you also believe that we will be able to comfort and console her at last?
I really hope that your right. That one screenshot gives me some hope. It would be great if she starts somewhat hellbent on finally getting her vengance, then (if you choose to) Shepard can question her if her vendetta have consumed her. Resulting in her opening more and more up.
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 01:12
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To be quite honest, I've given up trying to predict what they'll do in the DLC after what they did with her cameo in ME2 and the poor showing in Redemption.LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Hey Marcin.
Quiet day today, huh? Hmmm, allow me to try to initiate some discussion. Do some of you guys also subscribe to my belief that Liara will gradually open up over the course of her DLC mission, and reveal the extent of her suffering and the anguish she has endured? Do you also believe that we will be able to comfort and console her at last?
I hope a lot of your ideas will be true since that would be fairly ideal, but I won't really "believe" in it until I see it.
And now I bid you all goodnightmorning because the sun is coming up.
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 01:16
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I agree with alot of what has been suggested here. I also believe that Liara's DLC could also be something similar to an expanded and more substantial version of Jack's loyalty mission, in that interspersed amongst the combat Liara will recount her experiences, and gradually open up accordingly. I also believe that the mission may culminate in a dramatic "talk down" scene between Shepard, Liara and the Shadow Broker upon confronting it at the end. Renegades will encourage Liara to have her vengeance and to kill it, whereas Paragons will convince Liara that killing the Shadow Broker will not result in her pain being eased, and convincing her to let it go. I still believe that the Shadow Broker will be taken into custody in the Paragon ending, however.
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 01:23
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Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...
To be quite honest, I've given up trying to predict what they'll do in the DLC after what they did with her cameo in ME2 and the poor showing in Redemption.
I hope a lot of your ideas will be true since that would be fairly ideal, but I won't really "believe" in it until I see it.
And now I bid you all goodnightmorning because the sun is coming up.
Redemption was a mess, yeah, but I thought Liara's ME2 cameo had potential and could have been quite interesting and compelling, had it been executed better. It desperately needed increased elaboration and exposition, which is something that I'm confident this DLC will provide.
Good night!
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 01:25
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I like the idea of something similar to Jack's loyalty misson however I still haven't decided if I prefer that or Liara melding with Shepard to show him everything that she has gone thought this way she would also konw Shepard felings and what he have experienced so far since he came back. I don't want a the final decison to be convince Liara let the SB go or take her revenge I prefer that Liara chose that by herself I belive that Liara will be able to understand by herself that the revenge will not make her happy again and that it's time to let it go the fact that she is again with Shepard the person that she loves IMO will help her understand what is really important. For the final decison I would like to see something like the collector base decision since the information that the SB has can also be dangerous Shepard will have to decide if he keep it or not.
Goodnight BOB!
Goodnight BOB!
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 01:29
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Yup, of course Liara is wise, intelligent and mature enough to understand and decide herself if she is making the right choice. Who knows, maybe that will be an option? To let Liara make the decision as to whether to kill or spare it?
However, I was merely speculating on what the possible choices are likely to be regarding the inevitable confrontation with the Shadow Broker.
However, I was merely speculating on what the possible choices are likely to be regarding the inevitable confrontation with the Shadow Broker.
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 01:29
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i think she may open up-hopefullyLesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Hey Marcin.
Quiet day today, huh? Hmmm, allow me to try to initiate some discussion. Do some of you guys also subscribe to my belief that Liara will gradually open up over the course of her DLC mission, and reveal the extent of her suffering and the anguish she has endured? Do you also believe that we will be able to comfort and console her at last?
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 01:31
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Yup, of course Liara is wise, intelligent and mature enough to understand and decide herself if she is making the right choice. Who knows, maybe that will be an option? To let Liara make the decision as to whether to kill or spare it?
However, I was merely speculating on what the possible choices are likely to be regarding the inevitable confrontation with the Shadow Broker.
I could almost imagine SB turning out to be Liara's "farther.
I might just encourage Liara to kill her then.
