We don't know for sure if Liara kept a copy of the data...we just know she gave it to Cerberus/Miranda. I have a feeling she did indeed keep it, but that is not made clear in the comic.
If she did keep it, that would help explain why she's been so successful both in her career as an Information Broker and in her hunt to track down the SB and agents.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 05:18
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We don't know for sure if Liara kept a copy of the data...we just know she gave it to Cerberus/Miranda. I have a feeling she did indeed keep it, but that is not made clear in the comic.
If she did keep it, that would help explain why she's been so successful both in her career as an Information Broker and in her hunt to track down the SB and agents.
Not only that, but it may also provide an additional motive with regards to Liara hunting down the Shadow Broker, as seeing it as being absolutely necessary that it is stopped once and for all. After all, it is made clear that the data details the full extent of the Shadow Broker's dealings with the Collectors, and possibly any allegiance with the Reapers. That is possible.
I also happen to think that the data cache in question seems like a rather large plot point. It seemed like a significant event when Feron handed it over to Liara, and when he instructed her to distract the Shadow Broker so that he could download it to his device. I don't think it has been dropped and forgotten about, and will play a prominent role in the future.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 05:23
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Well, Feron's MO was to grab this data...it was more important (to him) than Shepard's body was.
But I agree that it is possible Liara knows a hell of a lot more about the SB than she is letting on to Shepard. Of course, the meta-reason for this is that the writers do not want to spoil LotSB in ME2.
We've discussed that the story reason could be that Liara just doesn't want to distract Shepard with it at the time. Plus, Liara is very secretive the entire time, due to fear and paranoia. She does open up a little, telling Shepard about her mission against the SB and the reason why, but she still never divulges any details to the Commander.
But I agree that it is possible Liara knows a hell of a lot more about the SB than she is letting on to Shepard. Of course, the meta-reason for this is that the writers do not want to spoil LotSB in ME2.
We've discussed that the story reason could be that Liara just doesn't want to distract Shepard with it at the time. Plus, Liara is very secretive the entire time, due to fear and paranoia. She does open up a little, telling Shepard about her mission against the SB and the reason why, but she still never divulges any details to the Commander.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 05:25
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Sigilius wrote...
@Dinkamus_Littlelog: What I meant by furthering was rather in the sense of "renewing". Nothing new, just another (better) kiss, or some romantic banter (unlikely, but hopeful). Just something to reaffirm our conviction that there's something for Liara fans to fight for in ME3.
A bit of romantic content before setting things up to begin again in ME3 would be a really nice thing to have in the DLC.
Question is though, will they bother? Personally I think theyll view Liaras dialogue that is essential to the mission as expensive enough as is, and they wont go off doing any content only a select group will see.
The number of people who buy DLC is always far less than the number who bought the game anyway, and when you add in that not everyone romanced Liara, youve got a huge "is it really worth it?" question.
Like I said, hopefully well get lucky and maybe get a few romance specific lines, but in all honesty Id take a few generalised lines so long as ME3 would be where it counts for the Liara romance.
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Well, Feron's MO was to grab this data...it was more important (to him) than Shepard's body was.
But I agree that it is possible Liara knows a hell of a lot more about the SB than she is letting on to Shepard. Of course, the meta-reason for this is that the writers do not want to spoil LotSB in ME2.
We've discussed that the story reason could be that Liara just doesn't want to distract Shepard with it at the time. Plus, Liara is very secretive the entire time, due to fear and paranoia. She does open up a little, telling Shepard about her mission against the SB and the reason why, but she still never divulges any details to the Commander.
I thought retrieving Shepard's body was what prompted Feron to join up with Cerberus and betray the Shadow Broker in the first place? It seemed like a pretty big deal to him, moreso than acquiring the data which just happened to be what TIM assigned to him.
Anyway, I do agree with the theory that Liara will have been withholding any information she is aware of regarding the Shadow Broker assisting the Reapers and becoming their pawn for reasons that we have discussed. Whilst Liara is very open and forthright about the nature of her hunt for the SB in ME2, she is quite secretive regarding her motives, which does take some prompting from Shepard in order for her to divulge that information.
I hope this is all elaborated on in the DLC! I believe it will be.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 05:36
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I thought retrieving Shepard's body was what prompted Feron to join up with Cerberus and betray the Shadow Broker in the first place? It seemed like a pretty big deal to him, moreso than acquiring the data which just happened to be what TIM assigned to him.
I think the SB's dealings with the Collectors disgusted Feron and that is what prompted him to leave the SB for Cerberus, it's not clear if he was all that concerned with what happened to Shepard, though. He still cares about the body somewhat, but I think the data is his top priority, which is what his assignment from TIM was. Liara would be the opposite, her main concern is the body, but she still has a secondary concern for getting that data.
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Anyway, I do agree with the theory that Liara will have been withholding any information she is aware of regarding the Shadow Broker assisting the Reapers and becoming their pawn for reasons that we have discussed. Whilst Liara is very open and forthright about the nature of her hunt for the SB in ME2, she is quite secretive regarding her motives, which does take some prompting from Shepard in order for her to divulge that information.
I hope this is all elaborated on in the DLC! I believe it will be.
Yes, she is still secretive, and though she has divluged some, it's all still very vague to us. The DLC should elaborate on this....I'm assuming, the whole point of the DLC is to tell this story.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 05:44
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I think the SB's dealings with the Collectors disgusted Feron and that is what prompted him to leave the SB for Cerberus, it's not clear if he was all that concerned with what happened to Shepard, though. He still cares about the body somewhat, but I think the data is his top priority, which is what his assignment from TIM was. Liara would be the opposite, her main concern is the body, but she still has a secondary concern for getting that data.
Yeah, you're right. However, it does make me think that might be the case when Feron states that he finds the idea of the Shadow Broker selling Shepard's corpse to be perverse and reprehensible, and that very fact causes him to compromise his own values and betray a client, something which he says he would never do. I do think that Shepard does seem to be quite important to Feron.
Yes, she is still secretive, and though she has divluged some, it's all still very vague to us. The DLC should elaborate on this....I'm assuming, the whole point of the DLC is to tell this story.
Of course, and I do hope that the story at last receives the exposition and attention that it has been crying out for, and that both Liara's character and romance will receive the justice it deserves.
I imagine that Liara will recount alot of the events of Redemption for the duration of the DLC...
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 05:49
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I still don't think Feron cares for Shepard on a personal level like Liara does...he's just letting an idealistic side of himself shine through. He thinks it's abhorrent that the SB is giving a body to the Collectors period...he doesn't really care who that body is.
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I still don't think Feron cares for Shepard on a personal level like Liara does...he's just letting an idealistic side of himself shine through. He thinks it's abhorrent that the SB is giving a body to the Collectors period...he doesn't really care who that body is.
He wants to impress Liara, that's all^_^
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 05:56
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jlb524 wrote...
I still don't think Feron cares for Shepard on a personal level like Liara does...he's just letting an idealistic side of himself shine through. He thinks it's abhorrent that the SB is giving a body to the Collectors period...he doesn't really care who that body is.
"Liara, go...save Shepard!"
Sounds like he cares about Shepard to me! Most probably b/c he feels that the saviour of the galaxy deserves a proper, dignified burial and funeral.
Or maybe, due to the fact that he was working for Cerberus, he was aware of their intention to resurrect Shepard? Maybe he also wanted to see Shepard brought back to life?
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 06:00
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Or, he just wants Liara to complete her mission too.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 06:01
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Barquiel wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
I still don't think Feron cares for Shepard on a personal level like Liara does...he's just letting an idealistic side of himself shine through. He thinks it's abhorrent that the SB is giving a body to the Collectors period...he doesn't really care who that body is.
He wants to impress Liara, that's all^_^
Well...it's difficult not to have at least a small crush on Liara
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Or, he just wants Liara to complete her mission too.
Considering the fact that it was the Shadow Broker's attempts to sell Shepard's body to the Collectors that prompted him to betray it in the first place, I would suggest that what I theorise to be the case is more likely, yo!
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In addition, Liara is quite an awesome character and I do love her...
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
Or, he just wants Liara to complete her mission too.
Considering the fact that it was the Shadow Broker's attempts to sell Shepard's body to the Collectors that prompted him to betray it in the first place, I would suggest that what I theorise to be the case is more likely, yo!
But, Feron didn't care who the body was, he was just upset that the SB would give a body to the Collectors...he has no personal connection to Shepard.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 06:08
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In addition, Liara is quite an awesome character and I do love her...
ORL?
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But, Feron didn't care who the body was, he was just upset that the SB would give a body to the Collectors...he has no personal connection to Shepard.
Is it not possible that he appreciates Shepard as the galaxy's savior and someone whom deserves a dignified and respectful burial, though? Or even, if what I suggested regarding the Lazarus Project turns out to be the case, he wants to see Shepard revived?
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ORL?
Yes, she is beautiful. Gorgeous, in fact!
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 06:17
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Is it not possible that he appreciates Shepard as the galaxy's savior and someone whom deserves a dignified and respectful burial, though? Or even, if what I suggested regarding the Lazarus Project turns out to be the case, he wants to see Shepard revived?
Yeah, but that's not caring for Shepard on a personal level, though, but just caring about the 'symbol' that is Shepard.
I'm not trying to say Feron is a bad guy b/c of this...why should he care personally for someone he doesn't know?
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Yeah, but that's not caring for Shepard on a personal level, though, but just caring about the 'symbol' that is Shepard.
I'm not trying to say Feron is a bad guy b/c of this...why should he care personally for someone he doesn't know?
Ah, I understand, and that is actually what I agree with. It seems that I was not able to properly convey what I meant, however. I agree with the belief that it is not really concern on a deep, inter-personal level with him. However, I do believe that there is something there. The fact that he pleads with Liara to save Shepard indicates this, IMO.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 06:31
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I do know we have speculated on the reasons for Liara's sudden rise to power in the Info Broker world on Illium (and possibly elsewhere).
From replaying the game and speaking with the various npcs related to her (Nyserix, the Concierge), I do get the impression that she is quite powerful and respected, even though she works in a tiny podunk office.
As I've said, the data could be one reason she was able to become so powerful. Others include her connection to Shepard and even Benezia. One thing I don't think we've speculated on is this: Just why did Liara decide to set up an Information Brokering firm in order to hunt down the SB, as opposed to various other methods she could have used? I mean, she had absolutely zero experience with this...she probably didn't even know how to go about creating an Info Broker business. So, why?
Is it the case that she wanted to beat the SB at his/her/its own game?
From replaying the game and speaking with the various npcs related to her (Nyserix, the Concierge), I do get the impression that she is quite powerful and respected, even though she works in a tiny podunk office.
As I've said, the data could be one reason she was able to become so powerful. Others include her connection to Shepard and even Benezia. One thing I don't think we've speculated on is this: Just why did Liara decide to set up an Information Brokering firm in order to hunt down the SB, as opposed to various other methods she could have used? I mean, she had absolutely zero experience with this...she probably didn't even know how to go about creating an Info Broker business. So, why?
Is it the case that she wanted to beat the SB at his/her/its own game?
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Attacking the Shadow Broker most probably requires a quite intricate and skilled amount of espionage, and for the individual that is hunting it to immerse themselves in the world of intrigue. The Shadow Broker's true identity and it's location is hidden behind layers of lies and an immense amount of secrecy and deception. In order to unearth those secrets, Liara has been forced to reinvent herself as an information broker, as that happens to be the most effective way of achieving her goals. That is what I believe, anyway.
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I can't really imagine how else you could track down the shadow broker other than by information brokering, it's not like you could just go to his HQ and start gunning down henchmen until he shows up, Shepard style. And after you find the Cerberus data in ME1 one of the SB's agents rings you up and pretty much says "Can I please have that info?", so it doesn't seem all that difficult, Liara could easily intimidate people into giving up information, she seems to have Benezia's threatening genes.
Where you start such a business, however, I have no idea.
Edit: Spelt Shepard wrong... Oops.
Where you start such a business, however, I have no idea.
Edit: Spelt Shepard wrong... Oops.
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