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[Dave of Canada]

Master Wolf wrote...

I think that Liara in ME1 would but in ME2 after Liara chose to hand Shepard body  to cerberus because she couldn't let him go she would understand Shepard.

But giving your body over to Cerberus isn't exactly something that's life threatening to thousands of people.

[jtav]

I support the *option* to kill Liara. My Renegade SS is positively itching to kill her after learning what Liara had done. I'm positively itching to kill that Shep. So...

[Master Wolf]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

I think that Liara in ME1 would but in ME2 after Liara chose to hand Shepard body  to cerberus because she couldn't let him go she would understand Shepard.

But giving your body over to Cerberus isn't exactly something that's life threatening to thousands of people.

But the reason behind it would be the same do something that normaly we wouldn't do because we love someone. Liara handed Shepard body because she couldn't let him go Shepard would chose Liara because he also can't live without her it's very similar.

[Sigilius]

Personally, I wonder if BioWare will make us execute a similar decision with Liara that she did for us. Do something immoral and/or selfish to save her, etc., or let her go. There would be several Paragon and Renegade justifications for each. You could let her go (Paragon) because it's "for the best" or whatever, or you could try to save her, still be Paragon, just because of love. Same goes for Renegade. I've always enjoyed BioWare games for having solutions to problems beyond black-and-white.

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

I support the *option* to kill Liara. My Renegade SS is positively itching to kill her after learning what Liara had done. I'm positively itching to kill that Shep. So...

Will this Shepard be surviving the suicide mission, or will you kill them in ME3?

I have a feeling ME3 will contain a Shepard sacrifice ending.

[jtav]

ME3. Liara, Miranda (in ME2), and Shep all dead. But I do want Shep to live with her rage and self-loathing a while longer.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Master Wolf wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

I think that Liara in ME1 would but in ME2 after Liara chose to hand Shepard body  to cerberus because she couldn't let him go she would understand Shepard.

But giving your body over to Cerberus isn't exactly something that's life threatening to thousands of people.

But the reason behind it would be the same do something that normaly we wouldn't do because we love someone. Liara handed Shepard body because she couldn't let him go Shepard would chose Liara because he also can't live without her it's very similar.

I know what your trying to say. But Dave of Canada has a point. Handing Shepard's body over to Cerberus didn't threathend hundreds of thousand of innocent lives.

As for the quiestion itself. I actuelly think Liara would be atleast somewhat sickend by the thought that Shepard have condemnd thousand of innocent lives to death because of a selfish reason, even if the reason was her life.

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

ME3. Liara, Miranda (in ME2), and Shep all dead. But I do want Shep to live with her rage and self-loathing a while longer.

Oh, this is the real messed up one you just created...the one that hates Cerberus passionately?

[Master Wolf]

Lizardviking wrote...

I know what your trying to say. But Dave of Canada has a point. Handing Shepard's body over to Cerberus didn't threathend hundreds of thousand of innocent lives.

As for the quiestion itself. I actuelly think Liara would be atleast somewhat sickend by the thought that Shepard have condemnd thousand of innocent lives to death because of a selfish reason, even if the reason was her life.

I still think that Liara would undertand Shepard although her decision ended  for not having major consequences but it could have had much biger and worst consequences if cerberus indeed use Shepard for their own ends so her decision is not as small as it seams and that's why I think that Liara would understand Shepard.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 05 août 2010 - 07:33 .

[jlb524]

I think it may be that, no matter what Shepard decides, she/he will lose Liara in some sense, either the romance or the friendship.



I think neither relationship would be the same again due to the guilt Liara would feel.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

I think it may be that, no matter what Shepard decides, she/he will lose Liara in some sense, either the romance or the friendship.

I think neither relationship would be the same again due to the guilt Liara would feel.

It still would not mater like Liara was willing to risk Shepard hate to save him my Shepard would also risk the fact that Liara could not be with him because of the guilt she would feel to save her.

[jlb524]

IDK...she might come to terms with it eventually, but I think she would be a bit upset and quite guilty at first.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

IDK...she might come to terms with it eventually, but I think she would be a bit upset and quite guilty at first.

Even if she never comes to terms with it my Shepard would still chose to save her  because he can't let her go and he would try to make her understand that it's not her fault it's his decision is his fault not hers. I think that she would be guilty but I don't know if she would let her guilt afect her relationship with Shepard.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 05 août 2010 - 07:50 .

[jlb524]

Yeah, my Shep would also save her anyway, even if Liara refuses to speak to her ever again.



The relationship might need time, but it could be salvageable, like you are saying.

[jtav]

jlb524 wrote...

jtav wrote...

ME3. Liara, Miranda (in ME2), and Shep all dead. But I do want Shep to live with her rage and self-loathing a while longer.

Oh, this is the real messed up one you just created...the one that hates Cerberus passionately?

That's the one. Dana is...a piece of work, but also one of my more fully realized Sheps.

I'm off to write some fic, either finally knocking off this half-done Miranda/Liara or a story that has a Shep/Liara subplot. I can't get away from that asari. Pray something sticks for me this time.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

I think it may be that, no matter what Shepard decides, she/he will lose Liara in some sense, either the romance or the friendship.

I think neither relationship would be the same again due to the guilt Liara would feel.

I think that would happen. The relationship would be shaken forever or worse completly destroyed. Also Liara mentions she's not looking for a protector, I've always asumed she didn't want Shepard to go out of their way to keep her safe. And when I mean go out of their way I mean "Sacrifice hundred of thousand of lives for her".

[jlb524]

Good luck, jtav!

Lizardviking wrote...

I think that would happen. The relationship would be shaken forever or worse completly destroyed. Also Liara mentions she's not looking for a protector, I've always asumed she didn't want Shepard to go out of their way to keep her safe. And when I mean go out of their way I mean "Sacrifice hundred of thousand of lives for her".

That's a good point too...I can't make up my mind how Liara would act in this situation.  It would definitely affect the relationship, but could it be saved in time?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

Good luck, jtav!

Lizardviking wrote...

I think that would happen. The relationship would be shaken forever or worse completly destroyed. Also Liara mentions she's not looking for a protector, I've always asumed she didn't want Shepard to go out of their way to keep her safe. And when I mean go out of their way I mean "Sacrifice hundred of thousand of lives for her".

That's a good point too...I can't make up my mind how Liara would act in this situation.  It would definitely affect the relationship, but could it be saved in time?

I think it might saved in time. But it wouldn't be the same again.

[jtav]

I don't think so, though that may be my own bias talking. I never thought letting a lot of people die in the name of "love" was romantic.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

That's a good point too...I can't make up my mind how Liara would act in this situation.  It would definitely affect the relationship, but could it be saved in time?

I think that the relationship could be saved.

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

I don't think so, though that may be my own bias talking. I never thought letting a lot of people die in the name of "love" was romantic.

I don't really think it's romantic either (I can think of tons of better things that are)...it does fit my Shepard, though, and I as the gamer, definitely want to see how the remainder of the Liara romance would play out.

I think it would be more poignant to let the LI die...but I would have a hard time doing it

[Master Wolf]

jtav wrote...

I don't think so, though that may be my own bias talking. I never thought letting a lot of people die in the name of "love" was romantic.

For me it's not leting a lot of people die that is romantic is the fact that you are willing to sacrifice what you are and what you belive for the person that you love.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jtav wrote...

I don't think so, though that may be my own bias talking. I never thought letting a lot of people die in the name of "love" was romantic.

I get what you mean. But from a story perspective. I always found it tragic (and powerful) when somebody damn themselves or something they have in order for the person they love to be safe.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

I think it would be more poignant to let the LI die...but I would have a hard time doing it

My Shepard could never let Liara die but that's how I role play it of course and it fits his character and personality.