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[jtav]

Master Wolf wrote...

jtav wrote...

I don't think so, though that may be my own bias talking. I never thought letting a lot of people die in the name of "love" was romantic.

For me it's not leting a lot of people die that is romantic is the fact that you are willing to sacrifice what you are and what you belive for the person that you love.

See, to me, that's the point where love stops being a positive force and starts being something pathological, provided that we are talking about someone kicking a drug habit, etc. because of a loved one.

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

The risk that Shepard would be taking in this scenario, if she were to make the decision to save Liara's life at the cost of thousands of onnocent civilians, is very similar to what Liara found herself encountering when she handed the corpse over to Cerberus. That is, of course, that the person you love remains alive and well, but also hates you for your actions, despite the fact that you saved their life. Liara was absolutely terrified that Shepard would hate her for handing the corpse over to Cerberus, due to the fact that she wanted to see Shepard rebuilt. In the possible scenario that we are describing, Shepard would also risk Liara becoming disillusioned, or maybe even hating her in order to save her life, because she could not bear to have Liara die.

It's an interesting juxtaposition, and the nature of the choice that the person faces regarding their beloved is very similar.

And it's because it's so similar that I belive that Liara would understand Shepard and why I belive that the relationship could be saved.

[Master Wolf]

jtav wrote...

See, to me, that's the point where love stops being a positive force and starts being something pathological, provided that we are talking about someone kicking a drug habit, etc. because of a loved one.

That's what inconditional love is something that is stronger than us sometimes that love will make do good things or times it will makes us do bad things but in the end we chose it not because we are forced but because that is what we want because the other person is even more important than our lives and our belives or principles or morality concepts an even more important than all other lives toghether.

[jtav]

Slightly OT, but what color are Nyxeris' eyes? I think they're brown, but I'm not sure.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Master Wolf wrote...

jtav wrote...

See, to me, that's the point where love stops being a positive force and starts being something pathological, provided that we are talking about someone kicking a drug habit, etc. because of a loved one.

That's what inconditional love is something that is stronger than us sometimes that love will make do good things or times it will makes us do bad things but in the end we chose it not because we are forced but because that is what we want because the other person is even more important than our lives and our belives or principles or morality concepts an even more important than all other lives toghether.

But still. Love isn't really good when it's the reason people dies.

[jtav]

LET, to be fair, I like Liara's romance a great deal, and her fantastic love scene did wonders for her character. I just don't like Shepard that much, so I look elsewhere for her happily ever after.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

On a somewhat related note, the fact that people like and appreciate Liara's character, independant of romance and when not pursuing her as an LI, makes me extremely happy indeed. To me, this proves that Liara is a interesting and strong enough character, and is not reliant on her romance with Shepard in anyway and is intricate and nuanced enough to garner praise and interest from those that are not interested in her in a romantic sense.

We of course of jtav and kraidy, two big Miranda fans, that also happen to consider themselves a part of Liara's fanbase. This pleases me greatly.

Trurth be told. I don't really like Liara's friendship path. She comes off as somebody slightly obssesive stalker crush on Shepard.

[jlb524]

Yeah, her eyes are brown...I checked last game. I wanted to see what the prominent eye color for asari was.



Matriarch Aethyta has brown eyes too.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Trurth be told. I don't really like Liara's friendship path. She comes off as somebody slightly obssesive stalker crush on Shepard.

I cannot comment, as I have never experienced Liara's friendship path. However, most non-romance Liara fans seem to consider her a good friend.

It's bit strange when I say it since I love Liara. It's just the "I couldn't let you go" sentence, while being a ****ing powerful moment for me (my main romanced Liara after all). Still it makes her look she obviously haven't come over the fact that Shepard chose Ashley over  her or didn't give her any attention in the first place. I had hoped she would have another reason if you din't romance her in ME1.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 05 août 2010 - 08:49 .

[jlb524]

I think this wasn't the case in ME1, as Liara does not pursue Shepard further if turned down.



Then we get the Redemption comic book, where Liara goes after Shepard's body independent of romance. I still think this is fine, as she is just doing one last favor for a friend and her commander, and is doing an honorable thing by ensuring that the body can receive a proper burial and service.



I think the only thing that would raise some flags is the 'I couldn't let you go' line she delivers to both a romanced Shepard and a non-romanced Shepard. It seems she may still have romanctic feelings for Shepard after all this time, in spite of being turned down 2 years prior. Also, this would change her motivations for recovering non-romanced Shepard, as now she would also be doing it for love.



The question is...does loving someone that does not love you back and going to great lengths for them make you an obsessed stalker? If so, how?

[jtav]

I think there's something a little creepy about "I couldn't let you go" in any case, but especially so when she wasn't your LI. The whole Lazarus project gives me the creeps.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

The question is...does loving someone that does not love you back and going to great lengths for them make you an obsessed stalker? If so, how?

IMO no because you can't stop loving someone just because that person don't love you and you still feel the same concern for that person as if that person loves you back so it would hurt her as much to see Shepard death if she an Shepard have a relationship or if Liara and Shepard are just friends but Liara still loves Shepard the fact that Liara or Shepard might or not be in a relationship don't change what Liara feels about him so it normal that she want to have Shepard back the same way that don't make her a stalker she is just acting on her feelings like she would if Shepard and her were together.

[Master Wolf]

jtav wrote...

I think there's something a little creepy about "I couldn't let you go" in any case, but especially so when she wasn't your LI. The whole Lazarus project gives me the creeps.

I love that line IMO shows how much Liara cares for Shepard pitty Shepard can't answer in a way that can show that he loves her as much as she loves him.

[jlb524]

That's a good point, Les....she doesn't hold it over Shepard's head.



'OMG, I saved you! Date me! Love me!!!



She doesn't expect anything in return from any Shepard. Still, some Shepards (depending on how roleplayed) might be uncomfortable with her admission.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...
The question is...does loving someone that does not love you back and going to great lengths for them make you an obsessed stalker? If so, how?

Maybe calling her "obssesive stalker" is wrong.

I have a hard time describing it. But I think what bothers me is that when she says "I couldn't let you go" makes it look like (atleast to me), that she haven't really moved past Shepard on an emotional level and Shepard is the only one left that she truly cares about.

And it also cheapens her romance path considering she gives the same reason for both types of Shepard for why she saved the body.