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[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

[jlb524]

Oh Feron...I do hope he's alive and I will not kill him (if given the chance)...I wouldn't kill one of Liara's friends.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm seeing more similarities with the bartender.

[Master Wolf]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Yeah, but he did it to get info on the Shadow Broker. And then after getting the data, he could have ran right there. Instead, he helped Liara save Shepard. And Liara picked saving a corpse over Feron. A corpse that might have not been resurrected.

Liara didin't care about the data and Shepard body was much more important, if ran would make even worst than he already is he has the obligation to stay and help Liara after what he have done in Omega of course Liara pick Shepard body over Feron that's were her misson and she only had to chose because Feron betrayed her and made it imposible for her to rescue in Omega like I said Liara have no responsaability or debt to Feron it was all his fault.

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

Oh Feron...I do hope he's alive and I will not kill him (if given the chance)...I wouldn't kill one of Liara's friends.

Since and Liara are not friends you don't have nothing to worry about.

[Debi-Tage]

Lizardviking wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

Another theme that is setup in ME2 is the idea of betrayal. Miri, Garrus, Tali, Jack, Zaeed, Jacob, Legion (in a way), and Mordin were all betrayed either outright along the way, or had their preconceptions about an individual close to them shattered in some way. I just hope this does not manifest itself in regards to the ME3 LI's in anyway!

I would hate to find out that Liara have been plotting against me somehow!

But then again. You can't spell Liara without Liar.

Lair of the SB

Could be interesting if Liara had some "Would you kindly" scheme going on with Shepard.

Okay maybe not completly like it, but you get the general idea.

It would be. In the long run, however, I would be very upset because the only way I could see that happening in if Liara was indoctrinated!  

Not someplace I personally want to see the story go!

[TMA LIVE]

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Yeah, but he did it to get info on the Shadow Broker. And then after getting the data, he could have ran right there. Instead, he helped Liara save Shepard. And Liara picked saving a corpse over Feron. A corpse that might have not been resurrected.

Liara didin't care about the data and Shepard body was much more important, if ran would make even worst than he already is he has the obligation to stay and help Liara after what he have done in Omega of course Liara pick Shepard body over Feron that's were her misson and she only had to chose because Feron betrayed her and made it imposible for her to rescue in Omega like I said Liara have no responsaability or debt to Feron it was all his fault.

A corpse that might not be brought back to life is more important then the Shadow Broker or his dealings with the Collectors? Shepard was dead. That's a selfish choice, not an important one.

[Master Wolf]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do feel that it is consistent with Liara's characterisation that she feels guilty over Feron's sacrifice, and that she also feels somewhat obliged to save him, or at least learn of his fate. After all, the guy willingly sacrificed his own freedom, and possibly his life, in order to assist Liara in her mission to recover the corpse. Considering Liara's compassion, a personality trait inherent to her character, she would feel that it is her duty to at least discover his fate, and feel guilty to a certain degree over what happened to him.

I know that it is consintent with Liara character to feel guilty over Feron but she has no reason to feel guilty or responsible for his fate and I hope that in the DLC we have the oportunity to show this to Liara.

[Master Wolf]

TMA LIVE wrote...

A corpse that might not be brought back to life is more important then the Shadow Broker or his dealings with the Collectors? Shepard was dead. That's a selfish choice, not an important one.

Without Shepard there is no hope against the reapers the the SB is just a puppet is Liara break the puppet the reapers will find another the same thing with the collectors. And yes Shepard is much more important than the data even if it's not certain that he will return and I bet that Liara already suspected that cerberus had plans for Shepard body before they tell her.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 05 août 2010 - 11:04 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Debi-Tage wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

Another theme that is setup in ME2 is the idea of betrayal. Miri, Garrus, Tali, Jack, Zaeed, Jacob, Legion (in a way), and Mordin were all betrayed either outright along the way, or had their preconceptions about an individual close to them shattered in some way. I just hope this does not manifest itself in regards to the ME3 LI's in anyway!

I would hate to find out that Liara have been plotting against me somehow!

But then again. You can't spell Liara without Liar.

Lair of the SB

Could be interesting if Liara had some "Would you kindly" scheme going on with Shepard.

Okay maybe not completly like it, but you get the general idea.

It would be. In the long run, however, I would be very upset because the only way I could see that happening in if Liara was indoctrinated!  

Not someplace I personally want to see the story go!

I had this short story running in my head some time ago that the SB is working for the Reapers and manage to get Liara under a very slow and careful indoctrination. Ultimativly making her believe that the only way Shepard and her life can be spared is to hand Shepard over to them.

I know it's completly crazy and I would actuelly hate if it happend in-game.

[TMA LIVE]

Master Wolf wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do feel that it is consistent with Liara's characterisation that she feels guilty over Feron's sacrifice, and that she also feels somewhat obliged to save him, or at least learn of his fate. After all, the guy willingly sacrificed his own freedom, and possibly his life, in order to assist Liara in her mission to recover the corpse. Considering Liara's compassion, a personality trait inherent to her character, she would feel that it is her duty to at least discover his fate, and feel guilty to a certain degree over what happened to him.

I know that it is consintent with Liara character to feel guilty over Feron but she has no reason to feel guilty or responsible for his fate and I hope that in the DLC we have the oportunity to show this to Liara.

He did everything for a reason that was bigger then saving a dead body. And he was sorry for it, because he's sorry she'll never trust him. And after getting the data, he was willing to help her full time. He even saved her life 2 times. And she left him to die for a corpse.

[TMA LIVE]

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

A corpse that might not be brought back to life is more important then the Shadow Broker or his dealings with the Collectors? Shepard was dead. That's a selfish choice, not an important one.

Without Shepard there is no hope against the reapers the the SB is just a puppet is Liara break the puppet the reapers will find another the same thing with the collectors. And yes Shepard is much more important than the data even if it's not certain that he will return and I bet that Liara already suspected that cerberus had plans for Shepard body before they tell her.

Bull****. One man can be replaced if Bioware allowed someone to step up. In the whole galaxy, one corpse is important to bring back from the dead. That's just plain wrong.

[Master Wolf]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do feel that it is consistent with Liara's characterisation that she feels guilty over Feron's sacrifice, and that she also feels somewhat obliged to save him, or at least learn of his fate. After all, the guy willingly sacrificed his own freedom, and possibly his life, in order to assist Liara in her mission to recover the corpse. Considering Liara's compassion, a personality trait inherent to her character, she would feel that it is her duty to at least discover his fate, and feel guilty to a certain degree over what happened to him.

I know that it is consintent with Liara character to feel guilty over Feron but she has no reason to feel guilty or responsible for his fate and I hope that in the DLC we have the oportunity to show this to Liara.

He did everything for a reason that was bigger then saving a dead body. And he was sorry for it, because he's sorry she'll never trust him. And after getting the data, he was willing to help her full time. He even saved her life 2 times. And she left him to die for a corpse.

He get her in danger because of the mercs that came after him almost caught Liara, when he fail the shoot in Omega Tazziq almost kill her then he lead her in an unarmed ship to a SB base gurded by fighters yeah he is a real friend. And again if the SB is so important why cerberus didin't spend the four bilion hunting him? I tell you why because Shepard is more important than the data.

[TMA LIVE]

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do feel that it is consistent with Liara's characterisation that she feels guilty over Feron's sacrifice, and that she also feels somewhat obliged to save him, or at least learn of his fate. After all, the guy willingly sacrificed his own freedom, and possibly his life, in order to assist Liara in her mission to recover the corpse. Considering Liara's compassion, a personality trait inherent to her character, she would feel that it is her duty to at least discover his fate, and feel guilty to a certain degree over what happened to him.

I know that it is consintent with Liara character to feel guilty over Feron but she has no reason to feel guilty or responsible for his fate and I hope that in the DLC we have the oportunity to show this to Liara.

He did everything for a reason that was bigger then saving a dead body. And he was sorry for it, because he's sorry she'll never trust him. And after getting the data, he was willing to help her full time. He even saved her life 2 times. And she left him to die for a corpse.

He get her in danger because of the mercs that came after him almost caught Liara, when he fail the shoot in Omega Tazziq almost kill her then he lead her in an unarmed ship to a SB base gurded by fighters yeah he is a real friend. And again if the SB is so important why cerberus didin't spend the four bilion hunting him? I tell you why because Shepard is more important than the data.

He didn't know about the mercs. Second, they were shooting at him with the gun situation. And last, if that was the case, then why did Tim tell Miranda that the data was more important then the corpse?

[Nerdage]

Master Wolf wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do feel that it is consistent with Liara's characterisation that she feels guilty over Feron's sacrifice, and that she also feels somewhat obliged to save him, or at least learn of his fate. After all, the guy willingly sacrificed his own freedom, and possibly his life, in order to assist Liara in her mission to recover the corpse. Considering Liara's compassion, a personality trait inherent to her character, she would feel that it is her duty to at least discover his fate, and feel guilty to a certain degree over what happened to him.

I know that it is consintent with Liara character to feel guilty over Feron but she has no reason to feel guilty or responsible for his fate and I hope that in the DLC we have the oportunity to show this to Liara.

Punctuate, man, punctuate!
Anyway, ultimately he was captured trying to help Liara save Shepard, seems like reason enough to me.
Edit: Also, quotes from the wiki: "The drell suggests finding the dead body on her own, but Liara protests
stating that since she had paid him, and that even though they were doing a job for Cerberus, helping her also gives him a chance to redeem himself." and "Liara shows compassion towards him, despite admitting she was wary of
his loyalties as well, but since he's helped get her this far she
persuades him to see this all the way through." Pretty good reason to me.

Modifié par nerdage, 05 août 2010 - 11:34 .

[Master Wolf]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

A corpse that might not be brought back to life is more important then the Shadow Broker or his dealings with the Collectors? Shepard was dead. That's a selfish choice, not an important one.

Without Shepard there is no hope against the reapers the the SB is just a puppet is Liara break the puppet the reapers will find another the same thing with the collectors. And yes Shepard is much more important than the data even if it's not certain that he will return and I bet that Liara already suspected that cerberus had plans for Shepard body before they tell her.

Bull****. One man can be replaced if Bioware allowed someone to step up. In the whole galaxy, one corpse is important to bring back from the dead. That's just plain wrong.

Yeah the racnhni will trust and follow any one that appears asking for help, the next person will have the krogan leader as friend, the geth will see any other person as an ally against the reapers when only Shepard have defeated one of then yeah Shepard is very easly replaced.

[Master Wolf]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do feel that it is consistent with Liara's characterisation that she feels guilty over Feron's sacrifice, and that she also feels somewhat obliged to save him, or at least learn of his fate. After all, the guy willingly sacrificed his own freedom, and possibly his life, in order to assist Liara in her mission to recover the corpse. Considering Liara's compassion, a personality trait inherent to her character, she would feel that it is her duty to at least discover his fate, and feel guilty to a certain degree over what happened to him.

I know that it is consintent with Liara character to feel guilty over Feron but she has no reason to feel guilty or responsible for his fate and I hope that in the DLC we have the oportunity to show this to Liara.

He did everything for a reason that was bigger then saving a dead body. And he was sorry for it, because he's sorry she'll never trust him. And after getting the data, he was willing to help her full time. He even saved her life 2 times. And she left him to die for a corpse.

He get her in danger because of the mercs that came after him almost caught Liara, when he fail the shoot in Omega Tazziq almost kill her then he lead her in an unarmed ship to a SB base gurded by fighters yeah he is a real friend. And again if the SB is so important why cerberus didin't spend the four bilion hunting him? I tell you why because Shepard is more important than the data.

He didn't know about the mercs. Second, they were shooting at him with the gun situation. And last, if that was the case, then why did Tim tell Miranda that the data was more important then the corpse?

TIM did tell Miranda that the information was more important that the body but who deafeted the colllectors was the data or was Shepard and where did they spend their money was in bringing Shepard back on equip him or was acting on the data?

Modifié par Master Wolf, 05 août 2010 - 11:20 .

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm seeing more similarities with the bartender.

No way!  Liara and Aria have the same face shape and mouth area, and nose!!!!!!!

[Debi-Tage]

Lizardviking wrote...

I had this short story running in my head some time ago that the SB is working for the Reapers and manage to get Liara under a very slow and careful indoctrination. Ultimativly making her believe that the only way Shepard and her life can be spared is to hand Shepard over to them.

I know it's completly crazy and I would actuelly hate if it happend in-game.

This ran through my head as well. I was either reading a codex or something talking about the indoctrination process and how it changes the personality of the target. It is actually viable, but would REALLY suck! Which is why I am a little scared for Liara in the dlc and ME3.

[Debi-Tage]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm seeing more similarities with the bartender.

No way!  Liara and Aria have the same face shape and mouth area, and nose!!!!!!!

Can someone include a "good" shot Benezia in these side by sides? I think Liara looks nothing like Benezia except for the eyebrows (but then again much of her face is covered and she looks all beat down)

Modifié par Debi-Tage, 05 août 2010 - 11:33 .

[Debi-Tage]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Are we debating over Liara's motives for trying to recover Shepard's body?

It is too late and I am too tired to get involved. Maybe tomorrow.

No Les, that convo is revolving around whether or not Liara should (or does?) feel guilty about what happened to Feron and how important Sheps body would have been compared to the SB data cache.

[Master Wolf]

nerdage wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do feel that it is consistent with Liara's characterisation that she feels guilty over Feron's sacrifice, and that she also feels somewhat obliged to save him, or at least learn of his fate. After all, the guy willingly sacrificed his own freedom, and possibly his life, in order to assist Liara in her mission to recover the corpse. Considering Liara's compassion, a personality trait inherent to her character, she would feel that it is her duty to at least discover his fate, and feel guilty to a certain degree over what happened to him.

I know that it is consintent with Liara character to feel guilty over Feron but she has no reason to feel guilty or responsible for his fate and I hope that in the DLC we have the oportunity to show this to Liara.

Punctuate, man, punctuate!
Anyway, ultimately he was captured trying to help Liara save Shepard, seems like reason enough to me.
Edit: Also, a quote from the wiki: "The drell suggests finding the dead body on her own, but Liara protests
stating that since she had paid him, and that even though they were
doing a job for Cerberus, helping her also gives him a chance to redeem
himself." Pretty good reason, to me.

 For me Liara save Shepard Feron was just in the way the only good thing he did in all the misson to find Shepard body was sacrificing himself to save the body and he only had to this because he betrayed Liara in Omega what made it imposible for her to recover Shepard body right there. So his sacrifice was just he fixing his mistake nothing more.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 05 août 2010 - 11:32 .