Well, if Shepard get's implanted with Reaper technology she can BE a Reaper and live 50,000 years or more! I find it extremely hard to believe that in a world with faster than light travel, omnigel, cybernetics, and the like humans can't live longer than 150 or even 200 years. We have humans alive now who are over 110! Not many, but it is genetically and environmentally possible.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 08:15
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I'm sure though that Liara will definitely cherish the time that she will be with Shepard. He/she is the first and only person that has ever meant anything to Liara in her life. Look at how Shepard's death at the beginning of ME2 affected her. She's distraught, completely emotionally shattered. I can easily see Shepard now living longer than a lot of normal humans, but probably nowhere near as long as an asari lifespan. Once Shepard has gone, I can imagine Liara mourning Shepard deeply, and would probably not find another partner. I'd imagine she'd raise her and Shepard's children (if they had any, which is probable) as a way of honouring Shepard's memory. Liara will mourn Shepard and miss him/her deeply, but I feel she would choose to remember Shepard through their children.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 08:34
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It is actually sad to think about Shepard dying and leaving Liara.
After a while, you just think the relationship would last forever.
I couldn't really see why Shepard couldn't live for several hundred to a thousand years.
We have already made some great discoveries in that field. In the time ME is set in, we should have come a long way with it.
I honestly believe that in thirty to fifty years we will have the means to extend life for at least a couple hundred years.
This poem reminds me of what Liara has gone through in her life (I could be the only one, lol). It is called Invictus. (Don't know if you have heard it before).
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
Well, I am off to dream about the Lovely Liara
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After a while, you just think the relationship would last forever.
I couldn't really see why Shepard couldn't live for several hundred to a thousand years.
We have already made some great discoveries in that field. In the time ME is set in, we should have come a long way with it.
I honestly believe that in thirty to fifty years we will have the means to extend life for at least a couple hundred years.
This poem reminds me of what Liara has gone through in her life (I could be the only one, lol). It is called Invictus. (Don't know if you have heard it before).
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
Well, I am off to dream about the Lovely Liara
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 08:40
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I think a lot of her reaction was just from the profoundly messed up circumstances of Shephard's death.
It's kind of a depressing thought that she'd never find another mate though. Her children (if any) would be long since grown up by the time Shephard dies of old age (assuming another 120 years). It just doesn't seem appropriate for a heroic character to sit alone with her books and space cats for the last 3/4 of her life.
It's kind of a depressing thought that she'd never find another mate though. Her children (if any) would be long since grown up by the time Shephard dies of old age (assuming another 120 years). It just doesn't seem appropriate for a heroic character to sit alone with her books and space cats for the last 3/4 of her life.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 08:48
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What's to say that Liara may take an active role in society or community affairs. She may go into politics. In all of these she could honour Shepard's memory in some way. I just don't see her moving on to another partner after Shepard's death, he/she means so much to her. Think about it, in the time of their lives when most asari are dancers or commandos and meeting new people, Liara is a reclusive archaeologist, never having a desire to meet anyone. She then meets Shepard, and the rest is history. He/she has changed Liara's life.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 08:56
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You had this same "problem" in BG 2 with a human PC and (half) elven LIs. But so what, it is how it is. BioWare provided some beautiful epilogues back then. With all that cutting of corners that's been going on this time, it wouldn't surprise me if Shepard "had" to die at the end of ME 3 anyway. If you wanted to do it properly, you'd need to develop many different ending cutscenes for Shepard alone.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 09:11
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Yeah, but Liara's ending romance cutscene and epilogue would be the one I would think that'd be deepest and have the most work done with it, being that she's the only squadmate guaranteed to be alive for ME3. BW have said before that they're reluctant to spend alot of time working on features that won't be in the majority of people's games. Liara will be in everyone's ME3.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 09:36
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
What's to say that Liara may take an active role in society or community affairs. She may go into politics. In all of these she could honour Shepard's memory in some way. I just don't see her moving on to another partner after Shepard's death, he/she means so much to her. Think about it, in the time of their lives when most asari are dancers or commandos and meeting new people, Liara is a reclusive archaeologist, never having a desire to meet anyone. She then meets Shepard, and the rest is history. He/she has changed Liara's life.
Consider some things here...
This is the 22nd century and no doubt by then humans will live quite a bit longer. At least I hope so. In the very beginning Miranda says two things that I caught immediately that basically told me Shepard was going to live a lot longer than normal. In regards to her genetic modifications Miranda says she will live half again longer as the avergae human. So I put her to be living into the 250-300 year range assuming the life span of a human has grown to 120-130. (Hell... McCoy was 147 in ST Next Generation's first episode.) That being said... the second thing I caught was if you listen to Miranda's files as you are fighting your way off the station after first waking up she says they switched to bio-synthetic fusion to speed regrowth and such. Assuming this is the next generation stuff from what Miranda was made with... then shepard could very well live into his 400s or even 500s.
Given that... I can't see Liara taking another bondmate if and when he passes. She will have spent too much time with Shepard her first and only love. She will never be able to feel the same about someone else. I'm actually going in this direction for the next chapter in my story as well. I do see them having a number of children... in the area of five or six given how long both of them will live.
Just my two cents.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 09:38
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This is also something that I thought about recently. I love Liara more than anything... but I also geniunely like Miranda as well. Does anyone think that after devoting two years of her life to bringing Shepard back that she would not develop some feelings for him? And if she did... do you think she and Liara are open enough to sharing Shepard in a committed relationship. I think Liara might be based on her reaction to the Ashly situation in ME1, but I'm not so sure about Miranda.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 09:45
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AL, I completely agree with you on Shepard's lifespan, I do think it's going to be greatly increased and Liara will be able to stay with Shepard for a long time, a significant portion of her life in fact. Shepard is her first and only love, and she sacrificed so much for him/her and is so devoted to Shepard that I can't see her moving on.
Regarding Miranda, her only motive for ressurecting Shepard was business, and because she was told to. Liara's motivation was love. Miranda wasn't exactly concerned with Shepard's welfare and free will, giving that she wanted to install a mind control chip.
Regarding Miranda, her only motive for ressurecting Shepard was business, and because she was told to. Liara's motivation was love. Miranda wasn't exactly concerned with Shepard's welfare and free will, giving that she wanted to install a mind control chip.
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Well in terms of Miranda she does show some admiration for Shepard,for being what he/she is and managing all he/dhe did without any genetic modification,though I personally wouldnt go so far to call it love.
In terms of Shepards lifespan I can see the implants prolonging his/her live to some degree,unless they shove some sort of heroic sacrifice in our faces in ME3.
As for the stuff Miranda talks about in her logs that doesnt really sound like the next version of her treatment to me it sounded more alike to a reaper,I mean arent they exactly a fusion of organic and synthetic materials
In terms of Shepards lifespan I can see the implants prolonging his/her live to some degree,unless they shove some sort of heroic sacrifice in our faces in ME3.
As for the stuff Miranda talks about in her logs that doesnt really sound like the next version of her treatment to me it sounded more alike to a reaper,I mean arent they exactly a fusion of organic and synthetic materials
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 09:59
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That's assuming BioWare doesn't decide that Shep should do a Neo at the end of ME3! I do agree, the cybernetics should greatly increase Sheps lifespan, allowing many years of together time between Liara and Shep.
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Liara will become a Justicar when Shepard finally kicks the bucket. Could be a good spin-off game when the ME trilogy ends.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 10:05
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I'd definitely buy a game with Liara as the main character!
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 10:40
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Regarding Miranda, her only motive for ressurecting Shepard was business, and because she was told to. Liara's motivation was love. Miranda wasn't exactly concerned with Shepard's welfare and free will, giving that she wanted to install a mind control chip.
I agree that was her motivation at the beginning. However as I played the game my first playthrough staying true to my one and only... I noticed that she does open up to you quite a bit, especially after you do her loyalty quest. Some of the tings she says are not from a "business" motivation in my view... but it could be taken in either context I imagine.
Once Liara and Shepard were back together for a while I could see them having a relationship with Miranda as well given the right circumstances.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 10:42
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Noxis6 wrote...
As for the stuff Miranda talks about in her logs that doesnt really sound like the next version of her treatment to me it sounded more alike to a reaper,I mean arent they exactly a fusion of organic and synthetic materials
Good point really. I still would consider that the next generation up from simple genetic modification like Miranda has undergone though.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 10:44
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
I'd definitely buy a game with Liara as the main character!
THIS!!!
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 10:47
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AndroLeonidas wrote...
Once Liara and Shepard were back together for a while I could see them having a relationship with Miranda as well given the right circumstances.
Uh, my Shepard wouldn't even want that. Content with one Liara, thank you very much.
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bjdbwea wrote...
AndroLeonidas wrote...
Once Liara and Shepard were back together for a while I could see them having a relationship with Miranda as well given the right circumstances.
Uh, my Shepard wouldn't even want that. Content with one Liara, thank you very much.
Oh... so is mine!!! Just tossing topics out to keep the thread alive! Very nice pic too!
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 10:52
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AndroLeonidas wrote...
I agree that was her motivation at the beginning. However as I played the game my first playthrough staying true to my one and only... I noticed that she does open up to you quite a bit, especially after you do her loyalty quest. Some of the tings she says are not from a "business" motivation in my view... but it could be taken in either context I imagine.
Once Liara and Shepard were back together for a while I could see them having a relationship with Miranda as well given the right circumstances.
Agree with that, but Miranda only actively shows an interest in Shepard if he pursues it and tries to open her up out of her shell. I didn't really talk to her, and she seems to be apathetic to my Shepard with not hint of romantic attraction. Liara on the other hand seems to love Shepard no matter what, given all that she went through in order to revive him/her.
On a related note, my copy of issue 3 of Redemption has literally just arrived in the post.
Yippee, I'm gonna read and enjoy it, plus more Liara!
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 11:12
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Uh, my Shepard wouldn't even want that. Content with one Liara, thank you very much.
Great pic!
Just finished reading issue 3 of Redemption, and Liara is so determined to find Shepard it's heartwarming. At the end when she thinks she's lost Shepard and the deal's gone through, she utterly destroys the room. I heard that it was quite badass, but wow she gets angry. To borrow what ratzerman said, if it's wrong to think it' sexy that she gets that angry for Shepard, then I don't want to be right. ;-)
When Feron then tells her that the deal hasn't gone through yet and that Shepard is still on the base, her excitement is so cute, it's just like the real Liara! Thoroughly enjoyed that issue.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 11:16
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Yeah I enjoyed that issue as well, especially the scene you describe (I loved her 'that felt good' line, a bit cheesy but I think it works). I'm optimistic for #4, so glad there's no Feron romancing going on.
Who do you think he really works for? TIM, Alliance, or other?
Who do you think he really works for? TIM, Alliance, or other?
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 11:21
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Well Miri is let say "product of genetic engineering" so her life is extended much over human standard years but in case of Shepard... after Lazarus she is more like bio cyborg so unless she will somehow not survive ME 3 events her life time could be pretty long.
Damn... maybe this will sound silly (since we talk about non egsisting personalites) but seriously i want my two best squadie from ME 1 back... Lili and Ash.
I am even ready to show Zaeed how airlock look from the outside to get Ash back and Liara... well since Therum she steal my Shep heart so it's obvious that no matter what i be ready to help her and hope that one day she will walk again on the deck of Normandy.
Damn... maybe this will sound silly (since we talk about non egsisting personalites) but seriously i want my two best squadie from ME 1 back... Lili and Ash.
I am even ready to show Zaeed how airlock look from the outside to get Ash back and Liara... well since Therum she steal my Shep heart so it's obvious that no matter what i be ready to help her and hope that one day she will walk again on the deck of Normandy.
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 11:24
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I'm going to go with the popular theory that he works for Cerberus. After all, TIM did say that he has other assets involved. It'd make sense as well that TIM will send someone to keep an eye on Liara, to insure she doesn't take the body for herself. Whether this means that Liara is indeed working for Cerberus in ME2 remains to be seen, though. If I had one criticism, it's that I miss her freckles. 
Morrie, when did you receive your copy?
Morrie, when did you receive your copy?
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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 11:28
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Asheer_Khan wrote...
I am even ready to show Zaeed how airlock look from the outside to get Ash back and Liara... well since Therum she steal my Shep heart so it's obvious that no matter what i be ready to help her and hope that one day she will walk again on the deck of Normandy.
Don't we all?
If it does indeed happen, I'm so looking forward to seeing Liara on the Normandy again in the DLC, however briefly it may be. She can come up to Shepard's cabin and they can talk things through, and reaffirm their love.
