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Support Liara T'Soni for ME3 - Squadmate and LI

Débuté par Nozybidaj , févr. 18 2010 08:42

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:11

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

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I think things will go quite well for Liara and Shepard in this DLC, like they usually do. The SB will be defeated, the galaxy made a better place, yadda yadda yadda.

The Paragon/Renegade thing will probably just determine who kills the SB and how.


Exactly, and said Paragon/Renegade or Charm/Intimidate or whatever may provide the basis for any future development Liara's character undergoes.

Ultimately, though, I think the Liara DLC will end with both her and Shepard remaining good friends or lovers, and will also serve as a setup for her squadmate role in ME3. Who knows, perhaps LotSB is intended to be the first of the story bridging DLC?

Of course the DLC cannot have too big of an impact on ME3 because there are many who will be unable to purchase it.
It'd be unfair to potentially harm a Liara fans story because they were unable to pay for a DLC.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:12

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jlb524 wrote...

I think it may set up her ME3 squad mate role, but I do also think she will part ways with Shepard after the DLC temporarily.


Yep, that is also a distinct possibility. Liara may have a few loose ends to tie up following the destruction of the Shadow Broker's empire that temporarily prevent her from rejoining the Normandy, but she will promise to meet Shepard again ASAP and return to the squad.

That way, her recruitment is also set up for ME3.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:12

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Lizardviking wrote...

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I'm embarrassed to admit it but I've got 3 such moments and they're all from Kotor 1 or 2.


I have only played KOTOR 1 but which are you talking about?

#1 killing Mission/Making Zaalbar kill mission/Killing Jolee and Juhani.
#'s 2 and 3 are both from Kotor 2.


Why those are certainly evil. I can understand why you would do em. I mean. If Bastilla said to you "Hey! Lets go rule the entire galaxy" Woulnd't YOU do it?

Reminds me of our talk about Darth Liara.

Good times!

PS: Just tell me what the 2 evil acts from KOTOR 2 are.

First of all Hell yes I'd kill them for Bastila.
and the other 2.
If you "fix" Kotor 2 (put back all the cut content) there's this young girl at the Jedi Enclave on Dantooine.
And you can either A) Convince her to seek out a Jedi master to complete her training. B) Turn her to the dark side...she then runs off or C) Call her "too weak to live and kill her" (she's probably about 15 and is tramutized from the Sith atttack on the Enclave so option c is pure evil)
The other is forcing one of your team mates (named Visas) to kill herself to weaken your foe. And then leaving her to die when she asks you to stay with her until she passes. That's even more evil.


Ouch. Those 2 are certainly evil.

My problem with Dark side (and renegade to an extent) is how pointless evil most of their actions are. Like the why hell would anybody assisinate a space paladin in favor of her psychotic space sex-vampire daughter? Most actions DS and renegade does just seems to be nothing than "for teh lulz".

On an unrelated note:

I SUPPORT DARTH LIARA RULLING THE GALAXY IN ME3!!

That's the sad part.
Killing the kid gives you nothing.
But Sacrificing your friend makes the big baddie child's play to beat....

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:16

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Of course the DLC cannot have too big of an impact on ME3 because there are many who will be unable to purchase it.
It'd be unfair to potentially harm a Liara fans story because they were unable to pay for a DLC.


Maybe, but there is also the possibility that default choices will be selected for those that did not purchase the DLC, similar to starting a non-import Shepard in ME2. Additionally, any possible romance progression contained in the DLC could also be flagged to trigger in ME3, for those that did not play the Liara DLC.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:17

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

On a somewhat related note, I sincerely hope that the DLC does not present the option of siding with the Shadow Broker over Liara. That's not being Renegade, that's just plain evil.


There are all shades of Reengade . . .but that would just be lazy, and stupid.  I think that would be too big of a decision to put in dlc . .according to J, right?  If we side with the SB, then Liara dies.  So, I really hope that doesn't happen.:(

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:19

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In ME1 from what I can remember the renegade options were about being a loose cannon but still a hero.



I've only played through 1/3 of ME2 as a renegade but already there were at least two renegade action where you let innoncent people (aliens) die! That's going too far.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:20

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Shavon wrote...

There are all shades of Reengade . . .but that would just be lazy, and stupid.  I think that would be too big of a decision to put in dlc . .according to J, right?  If we side with the SB, then Liara dies.  So, I really hope that doesn't happen.:(


Yeah, there is no way she will be killed in this DLC....just imagine the response from those that didn't play it or couldn't play it, when they fire up ME3 expecting to see Liara again and she's not there because she died in a DLC they didn't even play.

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Shavon wrote...
There are all shades of Reengade . . .but that would just be lazy, and stupid.  I think that would be too big of a decision to put in dlc . .according to J, right?  If we side with the SB, then Liara dies.  So, I really hope that doesn't happen.:(


Nah, don't worry. There is absolutely no chance of Liara being able to die in this DLC. She is being saved for ME3 for a reason, after all.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:25

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WilliamShatner wrote...

In ME1 from what I can remember the renegade options were about being a loose cannon but still a hero.

I've only played through 1/3 of ME2 as a renegade but already there were at least two renegade action where you let innoncent people (aliens) die! That's going too far.


Oh please. Renegade Shepard in ME1 also acts chaotic stupid at times. Like killing Shiala and the Feros colonist.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:25

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I've got to leave everyone my "friend" Susan is insisting that I go to her party.

Be back tomorrow.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:28

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I don't think killing Liara is "beneath" even a ME Renegade, but killing her in DLC would be really stupid. ME3 is another matter and I hope she is killable there.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:34

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jtav wrote...

I don't think killing Liara is "beneath" even a ME Renegade, but killing her in DLC would be really stupid. ME3 is another matter and I hope she is killable there.


Whoa...it sounds so cold and heartless when you phrase it like that, jtav. :P

I fully expect Liara to be killable in ME3, and will be surprised if that is not the case. I don't mind, just as long as any possible Liara death is not mandatory and unavoidable, and that I never have to see it and will avoid it at all costs.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:37

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Yeah, unfortunately, everyone will be killable in EM, but at that point, it won't really matter. THey no longer have to worry about carryover, so no more sh!tty excuses as to why Liara and VS can't be on the squad!



Oh, wait . . . .

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:45

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It might be because i'm a Liara fan. But having Liara survive even the events of ME3 will grant Bioware the ability to have a link to the original trilogy when the inevitable ME spin-offs comes around. They could still have that completing ME3 will create a save game that can be used in later games. Then Liara who will be around due to her long lifespan can have diffrent reaction when the player meets them and ask her about Shepard.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:46

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I only torture characters I love. Characters I hate, I just ignore.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:49

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jtav wrote...

I only torture characters I love. Characters I hate, I just ignore.


Weird.... I always enjoy watch character I hate getting killed off in stupid and hilarious ways or have them just suffer constantly.

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jtav wrote...

I only torture characters I love. Characters I hate, I just ignore.


That is very true, and also may be quite interesting in a somewhat twisted way. After all, adversity allows us to witness just how strong our favourite characters are, and just how emotionally resilient they happen to be.

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jtav wrote...

I only torture characters I love. Characters I hate, I just ignore.


Um, wut

Anyway, yeah, that would pretty amazing if they kept Liara alive, regardless of the ending in ME3 . . . that would include more spin-off games, and it would pretty awesome if we could see her in future games.  In fact, that's an awesome idea!  Much better than having her killable in ME3.  They would have to have a good reason for her or any of them being able to die . . . .just because they no longer have to worry about carryover anymore. . . idk, the whole throw-away aspect to the ME2 squad is probably one fo the biggest mistakes in ME3

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 05:55

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I still want a Liara movie.

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jlb524 wrote...

I still want a Liara movie.


A prequel movie, featuring Liara's adventures whilst exploring Prothean ruins and uncovering as many mysteries as possible, using her vast intelligence. Yes please!

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 06:00

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I still want a Liara movie.


A prequel movie, featuring Liara's adventures whilst exploring Prothean ruins and uncovering as many mysteries as possible, using her vast intelligence. Yes please!


Tomb raider style! B):P

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 06:02

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jtav wrote...

I only torture characters I love. Characters I hate, I just ignore.


That is very true, and also may be quite interesting in a somewhat twisted way. After all, adversity allows us to witness just how strong our favourite characters are, and just how emotionally resilient they happen to be.


Indeed. I've thought Dana's story through very carefully. She wants Liara dead for bringing her back to work for the people who made her life hell. She wants everything about Cerberus obliterated, and she wants to die herself.

Not a happy story, but it's a story. My "canon" FemShep will be much more well-adjusted. I haven't decided if she'll go for Liara or Kaidan. Depends on my impressions of Kaidan's romance this game.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 06:05

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jtav wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jtav wrote...

I only torture characters I love. Characters I hate, I just ignore.


That is very true, and also may be quite interesting in a somewhat twisted way. After all, adversity allows us to witness just how strong our favourite characters are, and just how emotionally resilient they happen to be.


Indeed. I've thought Dana's story through very carefully. She wants Liara dead for bringing her back to work for the people who made her life hell. She wants everything about Cerberus obliterated, and she wants to die herself.


a sole-survivor Shepard with a death wish? That's abit like one of those I have.

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jtav wrote...

Indeed. I've thought Dana's story through very carefully. She wants Liara dead for bringing her back to work for the people who made her life hell. She wants everything about Cerberus obliterated, and she wants to die herself.

Not a happy story, but it's a story. My "canon" FemShep will be much more well-adjusted. I haven't decided if she'll go for Liara or Kaidan. Depends on my impressions of Kaidan's romance this game.


Interesting, jtav. Make sure you inform us of how the story of this Shepard works out. Was she the Renegade Shepard that you sought advice for regarding her romance?

In addition to the inner-conflict experienced by a Sole Survivor Shepard over working with Cerberus, imagine the additional guilt and pain if Liara happens to be the LI of said Shepard. She is fully aware of all of the pain and misery that Cerberus caused her lover, and yet still handed the corpse over due to her desperation to see the person she loves resurrected. Just imagine how conflicted Liara would be in that situation, and how it would have eaten away at her. Powerful.

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Posté 06 août 2010 - 06:19

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Oh, and Liara is ten times the character and archaeologist that Lara Croft is!
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