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I think the SB setting up a trap is one possibility...



Though, if those cut news stories are any indication, the SB's empire is crumbling due to (we assume) Liara and her peeps pursuing it. I doubt the SB would risk so much in order to just trap Shepard, especially considering that the deal with the Collectors probably fell through post-Redemption, and will have most definitely fell through now that the Collectors have been destroyed. There's really no motivation (that we know of for now) for the SB to want Shepard.

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jlb524 wrote...

Could you see this face becoming evil...


No. But I can imagine bad writers writing badly, or bad managers telling writers to write badly.

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@ Baal I just watched your video and I have to tell you it was beautiful and sweet and just made Liara come through in a wonderful ray of light. I wanted to thank you for sharing that in your own thread.




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jlb524 wrote...

I think the SB setting up a trap is one possibility...

Though, if those cut news stories are any indication, the SB's empire is crumbling due to (we assume) Liara and her peeps pursuing it. I doubt the SB would risk so much in order to just trap Shepard, especially considering that the deal with the Collectors probably fell through post-Redemption, and will have most definitely fell through now that the Collectors have been destroyed. There's really no motivation (that we know of for now) for the SB to want Shepard.


That's true. Maybe the SB is vindictive enough to seek vegeance against both Liara and Shepard, though? It is aware that it's empire is slowly falling to pieces, and wishes to go out in a blaze of glory and take both Liara and Shepard along with it.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I think the SB setting up a trap is one possibility...

Though, if those cut news stories are any indication, the SB's empire is crumbling due to (we assume) Liara and her peeps pursuing it. I doubt the SB would risk so much in order to just trap Shepard, especially considering that the deal with the Collectors probably fell through post-Redemption, and will have most definitely fell through now that the Collectors have been destroyed. There's really no motivation (that we know of for now) for the SB to want Shepard.


That's true. Maybe the SB is vindictive enough to seek vegeance against both Liara and Shepard, though? It is aware that it's empire is slowly falling to pieces, and wishes to go out in a blaze of glory and take both Liara and Shepard along with it.


Maybe he works for (or ARE?) the new pawns of the Reapers? SB could use some cash and bringing Shepard (because harbinger has a fetish for him) and Liara (because she's one the few people with a complete prothean vision) might net him some cash.

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Maybe he works for (or ARE?) the new pawns of the Reapers? SB could use some cash and bringing Shepard (because harbinger has a fetish for him) and Liara (because she's one the few people with a complete prothean vision) might net him some cash.


Very, very true. Most theorise that the Shadow Broker is a pawn of the Reapers, and has been subjected to mild indoctrination similar to Saren. If that were the case, then the Reapers may wish to acquire both Shepard and Liara for the reasons you outlined.

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To be honest I think some people give the Shadow Broker too much credit, if it weren't for the fact that Harbinger can be in two places at once Feron could've tricked the corpse away from the collectors without him even knowing, it's not like he's omnipresent

Anyway, WG is starting, back in 15 minutes...

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As cliche as it is. I always love when villains taunt the heroes and their side kicks. ME2 had this somewhat with Harbinger telling all non-human how geneticlly weak they are, execpt for Turians where they simply are "primitiv" (which make no sense at all).



Point is. Should the bad guy of ME3 taunt our diffrent squadmates? If Liara is in the squad he could mention Benezia and how pathethic she were.



Or maybe I just love bad guy cliches?

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Nightodie wrote...

@ Baal I just watched your video and I have to tell you it was beautiful and sweet and just made Liara come through in a wonderful ray of light. I wanted to thank you for sharing that in your own thread.

Thanks, Night.I appreciate that :-)

I wonder if the timing will play a part in the DLC. I mean Retribution has just been released and they had a big focus on indoctrination. I wonder if they will show us something similar in the DLC or give us a deeper knowledge (doubtfull because only those who read the book would know what's going on). Still, it's a possibility.

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To be honest I think some people give the Shadow Broker too much credit, if it weren't for the fact that Harbinger can be in two places at once Feron could've tricked the corpse away from the collectors without him even knowing, it's not like he's omnipresent

Anyway, WG is starting, back in 15 minutes...


Maybe, but it would not be too hard to engineer a false opportunity that both Liara and Shepard would believe they could exploit in order to attack the Shadow Broker, with it then luring them into a trap. Of course, that could also blow up in it's face and go horribly wrong, which would most likely be the case if implemented in the Liara DLC, with both Shepard and Liara neutralising it regardless.

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Well, if the SB is indoctrinated, that may explain why it no longer cares that its empire is crumbling down, or that an upstart Info Broker is the one that has orchestrated this.

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jlb524 wrote...

Well, if the SB is indoctrinated, that may explain why it no longer cares that its empire is crumbling down, or that an upstart Info Broker is the one that has orchestrated this.


Indeed. Indoctrination does radically alter the behaviour of the individual it is subjected to, and Feron does mention in Redemption that the Shadow Broker seems to have changed, and that it is acting in an unorthodox manner inconsistent with it's previous actions. I can't remember the exact phrasing, but it's something to that effect.

Again, perhaps that is a subtle indication of the Shadow Broker's role in assisting the Reapers?

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I think the SB becoming indoctrinated and working for the Reapers makes more sense than the SB risking its empire just to trap Shepard and Liara, post the destruction of the Collectors.



Who knows? Both could be wrong...I have no other ideas, though.

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Plus, the mere fact that the Shadow Broker allied itself with the agents of the Reapers seems to be a large enough indication to me!

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Yeah, I think the evidence is there. The alliance with the Collectors, the fact that Feron stated the SB has been acting odd, the ability for and upstart Info Broker (Liara) to successfully take on the SB's vast empire. Am I missing anything?

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Maybe, but it would not be too hard to engineer a false opportunity that both Liara and Shepard would believe they could exploit in order to attack the Shadow Broker, with it then luring them into a trap. Of course, that could also blow up in it's face and go horribly wrong, which would most likely be the case if implemented in the Liara DLC, with both Shepard and Liara neutralising it regardless.

True, wouldn't be the first time Shepard walked straight into a trap, either. I just resent the idea that the only way anyone could possibly find the Shadow Broker is if the Shadow Broker itself were leading you into a trap, but that's partly because I hate being lead into traps in games, especially when you know it's coming but there's nothing you can do but charge straight into it.

WG was a disaster, if anyone wanted to know.

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The fact that the SB was engaging in open conversation with the Harbinger-possessed Collector General, perhaps?



Hey, I happen to believe that Liara is aware that the SB has become a pawn of the Reapers, and views it as a threat to galactic stability that has to be stopped ASAP.

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jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, I think the evidence is there. The alliance with the Collectors, the fact that Feron stated the SB has been acting odd, the ability for and upstart Info Broker (Liara) to successfully take on the SB's vast empire. Am I missing anything?

That the Reapers "will find another way" and suddenly Liara or someone else is able to locate the Shadow Broker.
Granted, this could only be the case if the DLC takes place after the Suicide Mission, but I guess we're in agreement that that'll be the case.

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True, wouldn't be the first time Shepard walked straight into a trap, either. I just resent the idea that the only way anyone could possibly find the Shadow Broker is if the Shadow Broker itself were leading you into a trap, but that's partly because I hate being lead into traps in games, especially when you know it's coming but there's nothing you can do but charge straight into it.

WG was a disaster, if anyone wanted to know.


That's true, and I suppose that the chessmaster/master manipulator idiom being applied to the Shadow Broker could be quite interesting, if it were not so damn obvious. Additionally, I'd prefer it if Liara were to locate the Shadow Broker due to her own capabilities, which would be testament to her intelligence and resourcefulness.

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That the Reapers "will find another way" and suddenly Liara or someone else is able to locate the Shadow Broker.
Granted, this could only be the case if the DLC takes place after the Suicide Mission, but I guess we're in agreement that that'll be the case.


So, it would be both that the SB is leading Shepard/Liara into a trap and that the SB is indoctrinated by the Reapers.

I think this is the first of the post-suicide mission DLCs....didn't Hudson state that the next story stuff will be post SM?

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jlb524 wrote...

Systemlord Baal wrote...

That the Reapers "will find another way" and suddenly Liara or someone else is able to locate the Shadow Broker.
Granted, this could only be the case if the DLC takes place after the Suicide Mission, but I guess we're in agreement that that'll be the case.


So, it would be both that the SB is leading Shepard/Liara into a trap and that the SB is indoctrinated by the Reapers.

I think this is the first of the post-suicide mission DLCs....didn't Hudson state that the next story stuff will be post SM?

Yup, he said so. Still, what he says and what actually IS....well :P

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I don't think Chud specifically stated that all story DLC released after Overlord would be post-suicide mission, but he did say that they are finishing off any content that can be played during the main quest, and will be working on the bridging DLC very soon.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I don't think Chud specifically stated that all story DLC released after Overlord would be post-suicide mission, but he did say that they are finishing off any content that can be played during the main quest, and will be working on the bridging DLC very soon.


Well, I think that's a roundabout way of saying the next stuff will be post-suicide mission and bridge ME2/ME3...you know CHud is all about roundabout ways of saying stuff.

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Well, I think that's a roundabout way of saying the next stuff will be post-suicide mission and bridge ME2/ME3...you know CHud is all about roundabout ways of saying stuff.


Yeah. Although, as Baal said, I remain reluctant to trust anything that Chud says!

Truth be told, I don't remember exactly what he said, or the context in which he mentioned the post-suicide mission, story bridging content. The Liara DLC is likely to be the first of that, however.

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Dead thread is dead. So, here's a Liara pic!



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