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#45352
Posté 08 août 2010 - 12:12
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Marcin R wrote...
hmm...so how's everyone doing today?
Fine. I'm getting my ass kicked in starcraft 2!
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 03:15
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I have been thinking about the discussion from a few nights ago, regarding Liara likely being killable in ME3. I'd like to reiterate that this may not necessarily be the case, and Liara may retain her heavy duty plot armour throughout the events of ME3. Due to the longevity of the asari and their vast lifespan, Liara may be kept alive post-ME3 if any Mass Effect games are developed that are set centuries after Shepard's story and the original trilogy to provide a link back to the original games. Think about it, Liara is the one character that has been featured so far in the games that can provide that ability. She could appear in a Mass Effect game set hundreds of years after the events of ME3, and possibly refer back to Shepard's actions and how the story unfolded. Hell, if they allow the player to import a ME3 save into this spin-off game that results in subtle alterations dependant on the player's choices across the trilogy and Liara happens to be Shepard's LI, then she may even speak of the romantic relationship she shared with Shepard, and how she continues to mourn the loss of her lover.
To summarise, Liara may not be killable in ME3 as she may provide a link back to the original trilogy in any game set centuries after ME3.
To summarise, Liara may not be killable in ME3 as she may provide a link back to the original trilogy in any game set centuries after ME3.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 03:29
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This also brings up another interesting discussion. Just what will Matriarch Liara look like? What will her occupation be? How much influence will she possess? How powerful will she be? How much political clout will she have? Will she attempt to introduce progressive reforms to asari society and culture, as I believe?
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 03:45
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Now, that's an interesting subject. Something I've been thinking about myself.
If future events go down the paths I've been considering to be the most likely, Liara will probably be stepping into some important role in asari politics in ME3. A prodigy leader, if you will.
And if this is the case, then there will most likely be some point where Shepard talks her out of her reluctance of going down the path her mother wanted her to. S/he will be able to influence Liara as either a Paragon or a Renegade.
And should she survive the events of ME3, then perhaps we could see the results of Shepard's influence in the way she deals with politics as either a Matron or Matriarch.
If future events go down the paths I've been considering to be the most likely, Liara will probably be stepping into some important role in asari politics in ME3. A prodigy leader, if you will.
And if this is the case, then there will most likely be some point where Shepard talks her out of her reluctance of going down the path her mother wanted her to. S/he will be able to influence Liara as either a Paragon or a Renegade.
And should she survive the events of ME3, then perhaps we could see the results of Shepard's influence in the way she deals with politics as either a Matron or Matriarch.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 04:04
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Aye. The manner in which Liara has had her eyes opened to the rest of galactic civilization and it's inhabitants may result in her feeling compelled to make a difference, and to utilise any power or influence she possesses to introduce changes for the benefit of the galaxy's citizens. After all, she has now experienced and become immersed in the dirty, seedy and corrupt underside of the galaxy, and may feel that it is her duty to right a few wrongs and to improve the lives of people as much as possible. As an information broker? Unlikely. As a political leader? That is more possible, I believe. In a way, it would be interesting to see Liara ultimately follow in Benezia's footsteps, although becoming a much more benevolent and virtuous ruler and influential figure in asari society. This is of course not implying that Benezia was "bad" in any way.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 04:14
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Here's a beautiful Liara gif, just because!
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 04:19
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
This also brings up another interesting discussion. Just what will Matriarch Liara look like? What will her occupation be? How much influence will she possess? How powerful will she be? How much political clout will she have? Will she attempt to introduce progressive reforms to asari society and culture, as I believe?
I'm sure she'd look like Benezia did in ME1, except I don't think her face would look as hollow and sunken as Benezia's did (I think this was due to the indoctrination).
I think she will eventually also follow Benezia's footsteps and become a leader of the asari people. She will be extrememly influential and powerful, given the glorious reputations she has been earning since age 106.
I agree that she will also try to introduce reforms...she will probably be the one to lead this.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 04:26
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Yeah. As Liara grows older, I think that her face will begin to look a little more angular, sharp and defined, and lose alot of it's youthful roundness. She may also lose her freckles too.
Additionally, Liara is also already in possession of a great deal of influence and political clout, and is obviously renowned as the asari that helped stop Saren. In such a relatively short life so far, she has accomplished so much. Given that, she will hold alot of influence and can use her power to do good deeds, which I think she will.
Additionally, Liara is also already in possession of a great deal of influence and political clout, and is obviously renowned as the asari that helped stop Saren. In such a relatively short life so far, she has accomplished so much. Given that, she will hold alot of influence and can use her power to do good deeds, which I think she will.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 04:30
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I like using these two pictures to show how Liara and Benezia resemble each other:
I can definitely see the similarities there.
I can definitely see the similarities there.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 04:31
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
I believe. In a way, it would be interesting to see Liara ultimately follow in Benezia's footsteps, although becoming a much more benevolent and virtuous ruler and influential figure in asari society. This is of course not implying that Benezia was "bad" in any way.
I think Benezia was always a benevolent and virtuous ruler, if you believe what Shiala and Liara said about her. Plus, Benezia was pushing for the Asari to become more involved in galactic politics. Benezia did also take a huge risk when she set out to initially stop Saren. Of course, that backfired.
So if Matriarch Liara does as most believe here, she will be following most definitely in Benezia's footsteps, hopefully without her career ending with indoctrination and death.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 04:31
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I wonder if her being a "pureblood" would have an effect on how much influence she could have, Asari culture is a bit vague to me but it does have a stigma attached to it.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 04:35
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jlb524 wrote...
I think Benezia was always a benevolent and virtuous ruler, if you believe what Shiala and Liara said about her. Plus, Benezia was pushing for the Asari to become more involved in galactic politics. Benezia did also take a huge risk when she set out to initially stop Saren. Of course, that backfired.
So if Matriarch Liara does as most believe here, she will be following most definitely in Benezia's footsteps, hopefully without her career ending with indoctrination and death.
Of course, and I attempted to avoid implying that wasn't the case with that sentence in my post, which obviously failed.
Benezia was obviously a very virtuous ruler prior to her indoctrination, as Shiala mentions that she advocates peace and that she is also a prominent and renowned religious teacher. However, Sovereign's influence corrupted and warped Benezia's original personality and motives beyond all recognition.I mean, just listen to how remorseful she sounds when she mentions that she was not gentle in extracting the location of the Mu Relay from the Rachni Queen. Benezia was a peaceful woman.
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I wonder if her being a "pureblood" would have an effect on how much influence she could have, Asari culture is a bit vague to me but it does have a stigma attached to it.
Maybe, but I don't think any discrimination against purebloods is institutionalised to that extent. After all, Benezia remained a powerful, renowned and influential Matriarch with many disciples despite the fact that she mated with another asari in order to give birth to Liara.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 04:45
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Here's a beautiful Liara gif, just because!
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 04:47
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How about a Liara combat gif, Marcin?
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Eee!
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:29
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About Liara being in ME spin-off games that takes place WAY after the ME trilogy:
It could contain a load of diffrent (and all interesting) stories for the games. What I would be curious about is what Liara's future would contain in a pro-human/pro-cerberus Shepard timeline where humanity ultimativly seizes control of the galaxy.
Perhaps she become some sort of speaker for the asari people, doing her best to protect the Asari from futher harm. She would cooperate with the humans as a result, but I could imagine she would have hard time acomplesing anything, not because of incompetence, but simply because the humans have the power. Perhaps the other Asari sees her as somebody who sold her race out just to put her self in a position of power?
Could be interesting.
It could contain a load of diffrent (and all interesting) stories for the games. What I would be curious about is what Liara's future would contain in a pro-human/pro-cerberus Shepard timeline where humanity ultimativly seizes control of the galaxy.
Perhaps she become some sort of speaker for the asari people, doing her best to protect the Asari from futher harm. She would cooperate with the humans as a result, but I could imagine she would have hard time acomplesing anything, not because of incompetence, but simply because the humans have the power. Perhaps the other Asari sees her as somebody who sold her race out just to put her self in a position of power?
Could be interesting.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:49
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I wonder what this means: http://twitter.com/p...ses/17683725405
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:52
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I wonder what this means: http://twitter.com/p...ses/17683725405
I don't know what the hell "the beach" episode is. I never wachted the avatar cartoon.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:56
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I wonder what this means: http://twitter.com/p...ses/17683725405
Well, "The Beach" was an episode that focused mainly on the antagonists of the series. An episode that gave them extra dimmension and depth. And also an antagonist taking another step towards joining the cause of the protagonists.
Perhaps this means there will be some expose on the Reapers in coming DLC?
Or we will be playing as the villains in future? Ala Darkspawn Chronicles? But this time we're doing something that the characters believe to be the right thing instead of just killing everyone?
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:57
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IndigoWolfe wrote...
TMA LIVE wrote...
I wonder what this means: http://twitter.com/p...ses/17683725405
Well, "The Beach" was an episode that focused mainly on the antagonists of the series. An episode that gave them extra dimmension and depth. And also an antagonist taking another step towards joining the cause of the protagonists.
Perhaps this means there will be some expose on the Reapers in coming DLC?
So.... We will get more info on the Reapers, and SB might want to join Shepard?
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 06:00
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Lizardviking wrote...
IndigoWolfe wrote...
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I wonder what this means: http://twitter.com/p...ses/17683725405
Well, "The Beach" was an episode that focused mainly on the antagonists of the series. An episode that gave them extra dimmension and depth. And also an antagonist taking another step towards joining the cause of the protagonists.
Perhaps this means there will be some expose on the Reapers in coming DLC?
So.... We will get more info on the Reapers, and SB might want to join Shepard?
Or we'll be able to see more of the Shadow Broker's prospective. Or maybe the Geth.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 06:01
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Lizardviking wrote...
IndigoWolfe wrote...
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I wonder what this means: http://twitter.com/p...ses/17683725405
Well, "The Beach" was an episode that focused mainly on the antagonists of the series. An episode that gave them extra dimmension and depth. And also an antagonist taking another step towards joining the cause of the protagonists.
Perhaps this means there will be some expose on the Reapers in coming DLC?
So.... We will get more info on the Reapers, and SB might want to join Shepard?
Honestly? I have no idea. The tweet was very vague and could mean several different things, or could be translated into several different messages.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 06:02
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TMA LIVE wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
IndigoWolfe wrote...
TMA LIVE wrote...
I wonder what this means: http://twitter.com/p...ses/17683725405
Well, "The Beach" was an episode that focused mainly on the antagonists of the series. An episode that gave them extra dimmension and depth. And also an antagonist taking another step towards joining the cause of the protagonists.
Perhaps this means there will be some expose on the Reapers in coming DLC?
So.... We will get more info on the Reapers, and SB might want to join Shepard?
Or we'll be able to see more of the Shadow Broker's prospective. Or maybe the Geth.
Oooh yeah, the geth. There's a possibility...
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 06:03
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Or we'll be able to see more of the Shadow Broker's prospective. Or maybe the Geth.
Geth already showed in ME2 maingame that they wish to cooperate.
