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[jlb524]

Barquiel wrote...

Do you think they'll cure Thane?

Yes.

Barquiel wrote...

I think Jack and Tali are also problematic if you don't romance them (story-wise)

IDK, Jack has nothing better to do regardless, and I think Tali's potential need to go back to the flotilla for political reasons would affect both a romanced and non-romanced Shep.

[Barquiel]

But Shep can treat them like ...

I presented the evidence at Tali's trial and sided with Miranda during the confrontation scene. I can't see them staying in that scenario.

Modifié par Barquiel, 09 août 2010 - 04:57 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Bioware did say they look at data for what players did during the game. So they see which characters had the highest survival rate and take them in as squadmates, they will proberly also just add Tali/Garrus due to cult status amongst fans.

Just because Tali and Garrus are popular on the forums doesnt mean they deserve a spot. Wrex was popular everywhere, and he didnt and most likely wont make it back as a squadmate.

I personally hope that they bring back 1 or 2 ME2 squadmaes, bring back the VS and Liara, and then add 2 new ones.

If Bioware has been listening to criticism, they should know banter and interaction sucked in ME2, and needs addressing. One way of doing that is quality of squadmates over quantity.

Besides, Id be glad to see most of the ME2 squad cameod because "their stories are complete", "they are boring characters" or "were just flings", or basically any of the reasons people trotted out when the ME1 LIs were announced as cameos for short.

What I mean with Garrus/Tali is simply that Bioware could easily take the "Appeal to the masses" in all senses meaning that they will take the 3 most popular characters from the second game (Miri/Tali/Garrus). Just because they would appeal to most fans. Granted this line of logic could be intirely wrong, so feel free to disagree with me.

And I hope the ME3 squad will consist of at best 8 squadmembers, with Liara included of course! 

[jlb524]

Well, you could also refuse to give Tali the geth data in ME1, and she will still join you in ME2...even romance you.

[jtav]

I don't want Thane cured, even though I love him. The only squadmate I'm certain is gone is Samara/Morinth. Everyone else I'm unsure about. I do think sidelining the entire ME2 team is stupid since the main plot was essentially stopped for the sake of introducimg and developing these characters. I want a chance to have Miranda, Liara, Thane, Kaidan, and Mordin on the same team.



I'd also like to go on record saying that I didn't keep up with ME2's development and have never called the ME LIs boring or flings.

[Barquiel]

jlb524 wrote...

Well, you could also refuse to give Tali the geth data in ME1, and she will still join you in ME2...even romance you.

Ok, that's true...and I dislike it<_<

[jlb524]

Barquiel wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Well, you could also refuse to give Tali the geth data in ME1, and she will still join you in ME2...even romance you.

Ok, that's true...and I dislike it<_<

Yeah, for ease, if romanced Tali is to be a squad mate, so will unloyal and unromanced Tali.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Lizardviking wrote...


The only thing interesting thing about Thane is his illness so I hope they don't cure him.

Jack and Thane also don't got any motivation to stay if you didn't romance them giving me extra hope that they get cameo'd.

Yup, I agree. No disrespect to Thane, but the man introduces himself pretty much with "Im dying". Seems kinda stupid to backtrack on that in ME3 with "*ping* youre cured".

Jack, as you say has no reason to stay.

Neither does Samara, as much as she is my favourite ME2 character, have any real reason to stay. She tells you she wants to go back to upholding her code.

Mordin.... Maybe. Same with Miranda. These two are the ones Id like to see return the most, since they are pretty much the only two plot affecting people in the entire game.

Jacob....  .......

Zaeed and Kasumi have to go. Theyre hired, and DLC added. Id actually be majorly surprised if they actually appear at all, rather than a message or news report to make you smile.

Bleh, you get the idea I guess.

I think Tali should be a cameo though. Her loyalty mission looked to be one of the more important ones, and I think the "admiral" talk wasnt half hearted. Id quite like there to be a new quarian admiral in ME3 who, if you saved Tali and perhaps did her mission with her not exiled, she takes the role of. Basically just like Wrex really.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 09 août 2010 - 05:10 .

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

I'd also like to go on record saying that I didn't keep up with ME2's development and have never called the ME LIs boring or flings.

Nah, you never had...you actually really like 2 of the ME1 LIs.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jtav wrote...

I don't want Thane cured, even though I love him. The only squadmate I'm certain is gone is Samara/Morinth. Everyone else I'm unsure about. I do think sidelining the entire ME2 team is stupid since the main plot was essentially stopped for the sake of introducimg and developing these characters. I want a chance to have Miranda, Liara, Thane, Kaidan, and Mordin on the same team.

I'd also like to go on record saying that I didn't keep up with ME2's development and have never called the ME LIs boring or flings.

Why save the ME1 LIs if thats the case though? Why "protect them from dying in the suicide mission", and say that the ME2 squad have no such protection, only to have the ME2 squad transfer over to ME3 without a problem (at a HUGE cost)?

Its been said that the squadmates are one of the most expensive things put into a game. Having a squad that large with characters many players wont see doesnt make much sense to me. It also doesnt strike me as very "stand alone" starting the game with a full squad who are inextricably tied to all that stuff noobs didnt take part in.

Sorry, but this "I dont want to build a new squad" thing doesnt make much sense, since its a staple of Biowares games. Even if squadmates do return, they are GOING to be a part of the "squad building process" once again since its part of Bioware RPGs to encounter and recruit new party members.

As Ive said previous, I hope part of the "bridging the gap" DLC involves sending most of the ME2 squad on their way and solving this problem in a large way.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 09 août 2010 - 05:17 .

[TMA LIVE]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

jtav wrote...

I don't want Thane cured, even though I love him. The only squadmate I'm certain is gone is Samara/Morinth. Everyone else I'm unsure about. I do think sidelining the entire ME2 team is stupid since the main plot was essentially stopped for the sake of introducimg and developing these characters. I want a chance to have Miranda, Liara, Thane, Kaidan, and Mordin on the same team.

I'd also like to go on record saying that I didn't keep up with ME2's development and have never called the ME LIs boring or flings.

Why save the ME1 LIs if thats the case though? Why "protect them from dying in the suicide mission", and say that the ME2 squad have no such protection, only to have the ME2 squad transfer over to ME3 without a problem (at a HUGE cost)?

Its been said that the squadmates are one of the most expensive things put into a game. Having a squad that large with characters many players wont see doesnt make much sense to me. It also doesnt strike me as very "stand alone" starting the game with a full squad who are inextricably tied to all that stuff noobs didnt take part in.

Sorry, but this "I dont want to build a new squad" thing doesnt make much sense, since its a staple of Biowares games. Even if squadmates do return, they are GOING to be a part of the "squad building process" once again since its part of Bioware RPGs to encounter and recruit new party members.

As Ive said previous, I hope part of the "bridging the gap" DLC involves sending most of the ME2 squad on their way and solving this problem in a large way.

Well, I think ME3 might go with a "recruit/un-recruit" structure in which, besides Lara and VS, you can recruit whoever you want, but can only fill 6 slots. After that, you either unrecruit to open space, or a character dies.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 août 2010 - 05:23 .

[Marcin K]

well, gotta go cya all tomorrow here

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, I think ME3 might go with a "recruit/un-recruit" structure in which, besides Lara and VS, you can recruit whoever you want, but can only fill 6 slots. After that, you either unrecruit to open space, or a character dies.

Maybe that might be the case - who knows besides Bioware really? It certainly would be an expensive departure from when the series has set up so far though, from a lot of different angles, and a departure from what weve been told as well.

I actually want a small tightly knit squad who are intricately involed in the plot elements, which is only really possible with 2 of the previous squadmates, maybe one more provided they introduce a "cover" character like how the VS covers the other character that dies on Virmire for players.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

TMA LIVE wrote...
Well, I think ME3 might go with a "recruit/un-recruit" structure in which, besides Lara and VS, you can recruit whoever you want, but can only fill 6 slots. After that, you either unrecruit to open space, or a character dies.

That won't happen unless they severely cut down on content for party members. Party members are one of the most resource-heavy parts of these games. I mean, look at ME2. In order to accomodate for 12 party members the entire "plot" of the game had to be about them.

No way are they going to create that much optional content. It's extremely inefficient. Not to mention that EA will probably rush this through as fast as they seem to be rushing DA2.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...


The only thing interesting thing about Thane is his illness so I hope they don't cure him.

Jack and Thane also don't got any motivation to stay if you didn't romance them giving me extra hope that they get cameo'd.

Yup, I agree. No disrespect to Thane, but the man introduces himself pretty much with "Im dying". Seems kinda stupid to backtrack on that in ME3 with "*ping* youre cured".

I won't deny that I downright hate Thane and think he's little more than some carefully crafted fanservice. Having him suddenly get cured will just make hate him even more that I think will be possible. So I want him to die of his illness as it could create something that might actuelly redeem the character for me.

Also I think that 3-5 ME2 squadmembers will return, 6 seems somewhat unlikely and anything beyond that is wishfull thinking at best.

[jlb524]

No, you will get who they give you, and that will be final.

[jtav]

What I'd like is for at least some of the ME2 team to have roles similar to Juhani, Grunti, or Leliana: nonessential to the main story (compared to Bastila, Miranda, or Morrigan) but still on your team and with plenty to say. I'm not at all optimistic that my pet squad mate will come back, but someone should for simple continuity.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Lizardviking wrote...

I won't deny that I downright hate Thane and think he's little more than some carefully crafted fanservice. Having him suddenly get cured will just make hate him even more that I think will be possible. So I want him to die of his illness as it could create something that might actuelly redeem the character for me.

Also I think that 3-5 ME2 squadmembers will return, 6 seems somewhat unlikely and anything beyond that is wishfull thinking at best.

In terms of fanservice I think he is absolutely no different to the asari, and nowhere near as bad as Tali and Garrus. Casey Hudson basically said "the fans wanted to have sex with chicken people, so we said 'okay then'".

I just think his death is an establish part of his character from the moment you meet him. Not his chance of dying. His death.

Curing the disease specialists have been working on for so long to no avail seems cheap to me.

Who knows though. Really I dont care that much about it, because Thane wasnt a character I took an interest in. If they did it it might be a nice way to lighten up ME3. Its cheap and cliched maybe, but so is excessive darkness and depression in the aim of being "true to life" or "realistic".

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I won't deny that I downright hate Thane and think he's little more than some carefully crafted fanservice. Having him suddenly get cured will just make hate him even more that I think will be possible. So I want him to die of his illness as it could create something that might actuelly redeem the character for me.

Also I think that 3-5 ME2 squadmembers will return, 6 seems somewhat unlikely and anything beyond that is wishfull thinking at best.

In terms of fanservice I think he is absolutely no different to the asari, and nowhere near as bad as Tali and Garrus. Casey Hudson basically said "the fans wanted to have sex with chicken people, so we said 'okay then'".

I just think his death is an establish part of his character from the moment you meet him. Not his chance of dying. His death.

Curing the disease specialists have been working on for so long to no avail seems cheap to me.

Who knows though. Really I dont care that much about it, because Thane wasnt a character I took an interest in. If they did it it might be a nice way to lighten up ME3. Its cheap and cliched maybe, but so is excessive darkness and depression in the aim of being "true to life" or "realistic".

I have no problem with character with fanservice. As long as they atleast do SOMETHING, which Thane doesn't. He's only reason for being in the game is..... No reason at all!

[TMA LIVE]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Well, I think ME3 might go with a "recruit/un-recruit" structure in which, besides Lara and VS, you can recruit whoever you want, but can only fill 6 slots. After that, you either unrecruit to open space, or a character dies.

That won't happen unless they severely cut down on content for party members. Party members are one of the most resource-heavy parts of these games. I mean, look at ME2. In order to accomodate for 12 party members the entire "plot" of the game had to be about them.

No way are they going to create that much optional content. It's extremely inefficient. Not to mention that EA will probably rush this through as fast as they seem to be rushing DA2.

Yeah, but all 12 of those characters are optional besides the first 4 (aka Jack, Mordin, Garrus, and Grunt), Jacob and Miranda, and that's it. You could have just done loyalty missions, and then went through the Omega 4 Relay. You didn't have to get Legion, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, Thane, or Tali. They were optional. And all 12 characters don't even notice one another.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 août 2010 - 05:46 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jtav wrote...

What I'd like is for at least some of the ME2 team to have roles similar to Juhani, Grunti, or Leliana: nonessential to the main story (compared to Bastila, Miranda, or Morrigan) but still on your team and with plenty to say. I'm not at all optimistic that my pet squad mate will come back, but someone should for simple continuity.

The difference is unfortunately that likes of Juhani, Leliana, Garrus and many of the ME2 squad is that they are characters made specifically for the itself game, not made for another game and then brought back. The carryover aspect adds a new dimension to it. You arent just creating a character that might not be selected by some people if they choose, but also one that cannot be selected by a lot of people not matter what they choose.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Well, I think ME3 might go with a "recruit/un-recruit" structure in which, besides Lara and VS, you can recruit whoever you want, but can only fill 6 slots. After that, you either unrecruit to open space, or a character dies.

That won't happen unless they severely cut down on content for party members. Party members are one of the most resource-heavy parts of these games. I mean, look at ME2. In order to accomodate for 12 party members the entire "plot" of the game had to be about them.

No way are they going to create that much optional content. It's extremely inefficient. Not to mention that EA will probably rush this through as fast as they seem to be rushing DA2.

Yeah, but all 12 of those characters are optional besides the first 4 (aka Jack, Mordin, Garrus, and Grunt), Jacob and Miranda, and that's it. You could have just done loyalty missions, and then went through the Omega 4 Relay. You didn't have to get Legion, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, Thane, or Tali. They were optional. And all 12 characters don't even notice one another.

You actuelly need 8 characters atleast to activate the suicide mission. So in a sense they aren't optional, well unless you downloaded both DLC squadmembers then you don't have to recruit Samara, Thane or Tali.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Well, I think ME3 might go with a "recruit/un-recruit" structure in which, besides Lara and VS, you can recruit whoever you want, but can only fill 6 slots. After that, you either unrecruit to open space, or a character dies.

That won't happen unless they severely cut down on content for party members. Party members are one of the most resource-heavy parts of these games. I mean, look at ME2. In order to accomodate for 12 party members the entire "plot" of the game had to be about them.

No way are they going to create that much optional content. It's extremely inefficient. Not to mention that EA will probably rush this through as fast as they seem to be rushing DA2.

Yeah, but all 12 of those characters are optional besides the first 4 (aka Jack, Mordin, Garrus, and Grunt), Jacob and Miranda, and that's it. You could have just done loyalty missions, and then went through the Omega 4 Relay. You didn't have to get Legion, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, Thane, or Tali. They were optional. And all 12 characters don't even notice one another.

You actuelly need 8 characters atleast to activate the suicide mission. So in a sense they aren't optional, well unless you downloaded both DLC squadmembers then you don't have to recruit Samara, Thane or Tali.

Really? But after Horizon, you'll only allowed 3 or 4 missions/N7 missions before the Collector Ship mission happens. And then, if you get the IFF, you're only allowed one mission before your team is taken, and the Suicide Mission is optional.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 août 2010 - 05:51 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

TMA LIVE wrote...
Yeah, but all 12 of those characters are optional besides the first 4 (aka Jack, Mordin, Garrus, and Grunt), Jacob and Miranda, and that's it. You could have just done loyalty missions, and then went through the Omega 4 Relay. You didn't have to get Legion, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, Thane, or Tali. They were optional. And all 12 characters don't even notice one another.

That's because ME2 was a lazy exercise in killing time. Nothing important was done in the overall plot. BioWare was just killing time until ME3 where they can finally show some actual consequences to decisions (not that I have any faith that they actually will).

And what do you think it says about the game when so much of the main plot in ME2 was optional? That's not good, nor is it a good sign. They will not do something like that in ME3 because ME3 will need an actual plot and closure.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Well, I think ME3 might go with a "recruit/un-recruit" structure in which, besides Lara and VS, you can recruit whoever you want, but can only fill 6 slots. After that, you either unrecruit to open space, or a character dies.

That won't happen unless they severely cut down on content for party members. Party members are one of the most resource-heavy parts of these games. I mean, look at ME2. In order to accomodate for 12 party members the entire "plot" of the game had to be about them.

No way are they going to create that much optional content. It's extremely inefficient. Not to mention that EA will probably rush this through as fast as they seem to be rushing DA2.

Yeah, but all 12 of those characters are optional besides the first 4 (aka Jack, Mordin, Garrus, and Grunt), Jacob and Miranda, and that's it. You could have just done loyalty missions, and then went through the Omega 4 Relay. You didn't have to get Legion, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, Thane, or Tali. They were optional. And all 12 characters don't even notice one another.

You actuelly need 8 characters atleast to activate the suicide mission. So in a sense they aren't optional, well unless you downloaded both DLC squadmembers then you don't have to recruit Samara, Thane or Tali.

Really? But after Horizon, you'll only allowed 3 or 4 missions/N7 missions before the Collector Ship mission happens. And then, if you get the IFF, you're only allowed one mission before your team is taken, and the Suicide Mission is optional.

Yes. You must have 8 squadmembers before the collector vessel mission can trigger. And once it is done, you can trigger the Reaper IFF etc.