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[jlb524]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

And what do you think it says about the game when so much of the main plot in ME2 was optional? That's not good, nor is it a good sign. They will not do something like that in ME3 because ME3 will need an actual plot and closure.

That's why I'm expecting a smaller team.  But I expect they may try to bring all the LIs back, and only them..those seem to be the characters most fans around here want to return anyway.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

jlb524 wrote...
That's why I'm expecting a smaller team.  But I expect they may try to bring all the LIs back, and only them..those seem to be the characters most fans around here want to return anyway.

I highly, highly doubt they will create 6 completely optional squadmate roles for ME3. I just don't see the point.

But, even if they did, these characters can not possibly play a vital role to the plot. What's the point of bringing them into the squad then? Fanservice? No thanks. BioWare needs to focus on making ME3 have an actual plot that isn't loosely held together with deus ex machina and plot devices.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

And what do you think it says about the game when so much of the main plot in ME2 was optional? That's not good, nor is it a good sign. They will not do something like that in ME3 because ME3 will need an actual plot and closure.

That's why I'm expecting a smaller team.  But I expect they may try to bring all the LIs back, and only them..those seem to be the characters most fans around here want to return anyway.

Bioware: We wish to keep the ME1 LI's out of the game so they can be in ME3. But we also happy to anounce that all the ME2 will return in ME3.

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[jlb524]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

But, even if they did, these characters can not possibly play a vital role to the plot. What's the point of bringing them into the squad then? Fanservice? No thanks. BioWare needs to focus on making ME3 have an actual plot that isn't loosely held together with deus ex machina and plot devices.

They won't play any role in the plot...they would just.... be there and have a few conversations with Shepard, maybe a couple more if romanced.  On the other hand, Liara and Ash/Kaidan could be both a squad mate and plot important.

Fanservice?  Yes, fanservice...they have done it before.  I'm not saying I approve or disapprove of that, but I can see them doing it.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Romances are optional content. Popular, but optional. Being a romance is no justification for returning. It needs to be about how they work with the plot, not how many forumites gush about their romance.

[jtav]

Let's be honest here, having all but about three party members be irrelevant to the main plot is nothing new. Garrus, Tali, and Wrex fulfilled their plot roles in ME before they were recruited. Ashley and Kaidan are only truly important Virnire. You get the idea.

[Master Wolf]

I belive that the ME2 romances will return but only the person that you romanced and they will behave like the VS survivor the six romances will ocupie the same place in the story the role will be the same it will only change the character that plays that role.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 09 août 2010 - 06:10 .

[jlb524]

Lizardviking wrote...

Bioware: We wish to keep the ME1 LI's out of the game so they can be in ME3. But we also happy to anounce that all the ME2 will return in ME3.

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Well, I think that was a line of BS served up by CHud.  I don't think it can be concluded that by keeping the ME1 LIs out of ME2 to save them means they also wouldn't try to bring back any ME2 LIs, especially considering Hudson's love of double speak.

I don't know what will happen with this squad mate thing...we will see.  I wouldn't be surprised if they brought the ME2 LIs back too, that's all I'm saying.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

jlb524 wrote...
Fanservice?  Yes, fanservice...they have done it before.  I'm not saying I approve or disapprove of that, but I can see them doing it.

They've done it for two characters, mainly Garrus and Tali. And Garrus and Tali's romances were basically just tacked on into one single conversation. That isn't exactly resource-heavy fan-service.

6 squadmembers, all of whom are potentially dead and therefore irrelevant to ME3's plot, would require much, much more resources even if it was just incorporating them as romanceable cameos. And I think cameos are about all those fans can hope for because there won't be 6 fan-service sqaudmembers unless, as I said earlier, their roles (dialogue, quests, etc) are all severely cut short.

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

Let's be honest here, having all but about three party members be irrelevant to the main plot is nothing new. Garrus, Tali, and Wrex fulfilled their plot roles in ME before they were recruited. Ashley and Kaidan are only truly important Virnire. You get the idea.

Yeah, most ME2 squad mates were plot irrelevant and were just 'there' on the ship.

The only ones that I think can be relevant in ME3 (if they even choose to do so) are Liara and the VS.

[jlb524]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

6 squadmembers, all of whom are potentially dead and therefore irrelevant to ME3's plot, would require much, much more resources even if it was just incorporating them as romanceable cameos. And I think cameos are about all those fans can hope for because there won't be 6 fan-service sqaudmembers unless, as I said earlier, their roles (dialogue, quests, etc) are all severely cut short.

I do indeed think they might cut their roles short (compared to Liara, for example), as they can possibly be dead...do you think most fans will care, though?  They will just be happy their fave LI is back.

I don't think each squad mate is going to have a huge loyalty quest like in ME2.  Plus, Tali and Garrus' ME2 dialog isn't that much anyway, if you don't romance them.

[TMA LIVE]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Fanservice?  Yes, fanservice...they have done it before.  I'm not saying I approve or disapprove of that, but I can see them doing it.

They've done it for two characters, mainly Garrus and Tali. And Garrus and Tali's romances were basically just tacked on into one single conversation. That isn't exactly resource-heavy fan-service.

6 squadmembers, all of whom are potentially dead and therefore irrelevant to ME3's plot, would require much, much more resources even if it was just incorporating them as romanceable cameos. And I think cameos are about all those fans can hope for because there won't be 6 fan-service sqaudmembers unless, as I said earlier, their roles (dialogue, quests, etc) are all severely cut short.

You do know none of the characters in any bioware game have had anything to do with the plot besides the "required" characters right?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 août 2010 - 06:15 .

[jtav]

To my shame, put me down in the not caring camp. My situation is complicated by Miranda's VA. I'm not sure wat that does for her chances. I just wabt a chance to have her and Liara in the same squad.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

I think some people are simplifying things too much here. Even if they arent "plot sensitive" characters, they still need an entry point, lots of dialogue and voice acting (because simply being a combat drone would be worse than a non-squadmate cameo role), need a place on the ship, abilities, etc. Even if they dont have elements of their character directly linked to the plots events, like Liara for example, they are still beside Shepard for all of the important goings on.

Look at Zaeed and Kasumi for example. They gave them "comments" on board rather than real dialogue, but they still had all of the interjections for the cruicial moments, and some of the minor ones too.

This is why I hope the bridging DLC will resolve the issue, and tie things up before ME3. There will be some plot reason as to why Shepard must start the game without a full squad again, otherwise ME3 isnt stand alone at all. Taking care of it in a DLC seems like a good way of minimising peoples problems with it if you ask me.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 09 août 2010 - 06:26 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

jlb524 wrote...
I do indeed think they might cut their roles short (compared to Liara, for example), as they can possibly be dead...do you think most fans will care, though?  They will just be happy their fave LI is back.

Uh, yes, they will care. They will whine and moan and carry on about getting lesser content than others. If they get cameos they will complain about them not being in the squad.

If they get reduced squad-mate roles with minimized dialogue they will complain (especially Garrus and Tali fans) because these characters were "most loyal to Shepard and totally deserve super-special-awesome roles to properly account for awesome loyalness to fight teh Reapz.

TMA LIVE wrote...
You do know none of the characters in any
bioware game have had anything to do with the plot besides the
"required" characters right?

You do realize that none of the people who ordered snow cones at the fair got cherry flavor, except for the ones who did, right?

But, seriously, in ME2 everyone is just a mercenary.
In ME1 Tali had info on Saren; Garrus had a grudge against Saren and was investigating his activity; Wrex was hired to deal with someone who betrayed the Shadow Broker to help Saren.

In ME2 Tali is recruited just cuz. She doesn't know anything about the Collectors (her presence on Freedom's Progress was completely unrelated). Garrus doesn't know or have any ties to the Collectors. He's recruited just cuz.

Jack, Grunt, Samara/Morinth, Thane, Zaeed, Legion, and Kasumi are all just free-floating mercenaries tacked onto the plot with no real reason to be there other then "they're rly good at teh fighting!!". They're all completely irrelevant to all sides of the plot.

Mordin is really the only one who's relevant to the plot. Miranda and Jacob are loosely affiliated in the same way Ash and Kai were in ME2, so they get something of a pass.

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

To my shame, put me down in the not caring camp. My situation is complicated by Miranda's VA. I'm not sure wat that does for her chances. I just wabt a chance to have her and Liara in the same squad.

Given her fame...it could go both ways.

Well, they may both be back in ME3, but with your luck, they won't interact at all anyways.

[KendallX23]

Mystranna:I don't think u can call Samara a mercenary...she's a Justicar......their more of a loose organisation without a leader and "guild meetings"

and neither is Legion...Legion will stay with Shep unless called back by the Geth

[jlb524]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Uh, yes, they will care. They will whine and moan and carry on about getting lesser content than others. If they get cameos they will complain about them not being in the squad.

If they get reduced squad-mate roles with minimized dialogue they will complain (especially Garrus and Tali fans) because these characters were "most loyal to Shepard and totally deserve super-special-awesome roles to properly account for awesome loyalness to fight teh Reapz.

Yeah, they will complain...though, BW might pull the, 'Well, we were going to give them cameos but we worked so hard to make sure they could be in the squad just for you so stop whining, you ingrates' thing.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

KendallX23 wrote...

Mystranna:I don't think u can call Samara a mercenary...she's a Justicar......their more of a loose organisation without a leader and "guild meetings"
and neither is Legion...Legion will stay with Shep unless called back by the Geth

I was referring to them as mercenaries in that they are hired for a specific mission without having any actual ties to said mission.

[Barquiel]

If done right, I wouldn't mind a NPC role for Liara in ME3 (for example, as the main quest giver)



TIM has probably more dialogue than calibrations-Garrus...just add some romance content.

[jlb524]

About the upcoming DLC...how much do you think it will actually include Liara? Will she follow Shepard and have tons of dialog, or will we see her in only a few scenes at the beginning and at the end?

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

About the upcoming DLC...how much do you think it will actually include Liara? Will she follow Shepard and have tons of dialog, or will we see her in only a few scenes at the beginning and at the end?

I think she'll be with you through the whole thing.

[Dark Star]

jlb524 wrote...

About the upcoming DLC...how much do you think it will actually include Liara? Will she follow Shepard and have tons of dialog, or will we see her in only a few scenes at the beginning and at the end?

Over in the SB announcement thread, Mr. Priestly did say, "team up with Liara," so I would imagine that means you are with her for the whole thing.  Also, judging from this screenshot, it looks like she will be fighting with you.  It wouldn't be that very difficult for BioWare to take the AI from one of the characters already and then just overlay it with Liara's graphic and put in different dialogue.  That said, and if it is that easy, I see no reason why they wouldn't add her as a squadmate for the duration of the mission




I  think BioWare has learned that the fans like the DLC to be more unique, not just another rehash of some assignment.  It would make sense then that they would include Liara as a squadmate for the duration of the mission.  

But I guess unless they release official info, there is no way to know until the DLC is actually released 

[jlb524]

Yeah, I wonder if she will be an actual squad mate (where the player can control her power usage) or if she will just kind of follow you around and do her own thing?

[Master Wolf]

jlb524 wrote...

About the upcoming DLC...how much do you think it will actually include Liara? Will she follow Shepard and have tons of dialog, or will we see her in only a few scenes at the beginning and at the end?

Like I said before I hope that this DLC is something similar to the SM so Liara will be with us in some parts of the DLC but in others she will be doing other things in other places and I prefer this way because Liara can assume a more important role to the story this way instead of just folow Shepard, but I also hope that the final confrontation with the SB is a batle with just Shepard and Liara.

Modifié par Master Wolf, 09 août 2010 - 07:27 .