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We will also be rewarded for not cheating too. I still have no paramour achievement. I don't think I'll get it.


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I can see you killing the power on your pc/console just before the death scenes in order to preserve their lives!  Image IPB


I hope I don't have to do that, but if that's what needs to be done, that's what needs to be done. :lol:

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

The only way I could see Liara possibly dying (ugh I hate typing that) is if it's a choice or optional, ie selecting a Virmire survivor in ME1. There's no way any Liara death would be mandatory, as we've been promised a happy ending to the romance in ME3.


We will also be rewarded for not cheating too. I still have no paramour achievement. I don't think I'll get it.


I don't have it either.  But since I'm playing the pessimistic skeptic today, I'll just add that I fear we will get no reward for staying faithful other than not having a "you have to choose me or her" dialogue take place.  The way things have been going that could be the culmination of the whole cheating/not cheating scenario.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

We will also be rewarded for not cheating too. I still have no paramour achievement. I don't think I'll get it.


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Gah!  How did you make that smiley?

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It will be optional but I think it will definitely be an option...for 'fariness' so those that hate her can kill her off.

Though I don't see how one can hate Liara.  I understand those that find her uninteresting and are apathetic to her character, but hate??  


I know, why would you actively go out of your way to kill her? That's horrible.

Any possible Liara death scene I will NEVER see. Not on YouTube, not in the game, never.

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Yeled wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

The only way I could see Liara possibly dying (ugh I hate typing that) is if it's a choice or optional, ie selecting a Virmire survivor in ME1. There's no way any Liara death would be mandatory, as we've been promised a happy ending to the romance in ME3.


We will also be rewarded for not cheating too. I still have no paramour achievement. I don't think I'll get it.


I don't have it either.  But since I'm playing the pessimistic skeptic today, I'll just add that I fear we will get no reward for staying faithful other than not having a "you have to choose me or her" dialogue take place.  The way things have been going that could be the culmination of the whole cheating/not cheating scenario.


Well, ME did change writers. I know Mac Walters didn't do much in ME2 regarding "your choices have consequences" and the like, but I think ME3 will be different. When you see some of the design choices between ME1 and 2 happen because of feedback, I want to think that BioWare is reading some of this and sees the dissent and try to push this in the right direction.

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Yeled wrote...

Gah!  How did you make that smiley?


Just found the smiley online, then posted it as if it were a standard image. :)

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jlb524 wrote...

It will be optional but I think it will definitely be an option...for 'fariness' so those that hate her can kill her off.

Though I don't see how one can hate Liara.  I understand those that find her uninteresting and are apathetic to her character, but hate??  


I know, why would you actively go out of your way to kill her? That's horrible.

Any possible Liara death scene I will NEVER see. Not on YouTube, not in the game, never.


I wouldn't be able to handle it either. Just... no.

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Actually I in case of a DLC should Liara come with you to assault the SBs base or whatever,I think they will either do it in a fashion like Garrus recruitment mission or they make up something like she uses her own ship and brings along the thugs that are working for her and you assault the base from two sides keeping radio contact.


This is probably what would happen.  I don't see her joining you since this DLC will likely occur after the suicide mission.  It would be kind of pointless for her to join and just sit there on the Normandy as a squad mate you can't even use because all the missions are complete (unless you have a few N7 missions remaining).

You'll get an email from Liara (maybe even a vid-mail!!) and she'll ask you to return to Illium to aid her against the SB.  You'll talk to her and trigger the mission.  After a loading screen, you'll pick your squad mates and Liara will be in radio contact until the final scene where you confront the SB or something.  I think the Garrus recruitment mission is a good comparison.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I know, why would you actively go out of your way to kill her? That's horrible.

Any possible Liara death scene I will NEVER see. Not on YouTube, not in the game, never.


If a similar thread like this still exists in the future, you know people will spam it with the Liara death scene.   A video can be avoided by not clicking on the links.  If they post pictures, however, those are unavoidable. 

And you know people will do this!

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Just make sure that after the mission is complete, if Liara is your LI, Shep is sitting in his/her cabin and Liara enters. The two of them then have a heart-to-heart, with Liara spilling everything out about the emotional torment she's suffered, with Shepard then comforting her and warmly embracing her.

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jlb524 wrote...

If a similar thread like this still exists in the future, you know people will spam it with the Liara death scene.   A video can be avoided by not clicking on the links.  If they post pictures, however, those are unavoidable. 

And you know people will do this!


If that were to happen:

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It will be optional but I think it will definitely be an option...for 'fariness' so those that hate her can kill her off.

Though I don't see how one can hate Liara.  I understand those that find her uninteresting and are apathetic to her character, but hate??  


I know, why would you actively go out of your way to kill her? That's horrible.

Any possible Liara death scene I will NEVER see. Not on YouTube, not in the game, never.

I agree, seeing that would scar me for life.

I don't think BW could ever kill her off in the Expansion, that would mean that she wouldn't have that big of a role in ME3. BioWare would never let The Beautiful Blue Goddess die after the time they put into making her into a major character.
Any character who has a chance of dying in ME (besides Ashley/Kaidan) will probably not have that big of a role in ME3 (could you imagine all the lines BW would have to record?).
Unfortunately, because of the ME2 storyline, the squadmates of ME2 aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.

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J, I've never clicked that link in your sig "ME2 needs more dialogue options!". I have to say that's exactly the response I wish I had during that scene. What happened to Jack was downright wrong and Miranda just couldn't see it. Still though, Miranda redeemed herself at the end of my game when she quit Cerberus and joined my team.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

If a similar thread like this still exists in the future, you know people will spam it with the Liara death scene.   A video can be avoided by not clicking on the links.  If they post pictures, however, those are unavoidable. 

And you know people will do this!


If that were to happen:

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Les will turn into Rambo and gun down all the forum noobs. :P

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Yes, Liara will definitely not die in the DLC. That'd defeat the whole purpose of why they're supposedly keeping her out of the squad in ME2: to keep her alive for ME3.



Anyone who believes that any of the ME2 squad will return as squaddies AND have a major story role is deluding themselves, IMO. Sad, but true.

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justinnstuff wrote...

J, I've never clicked that link in your sig "ME2 needs more dialogue options!". I have to say that's exactly the response I wish I had during that scene. What happened to Jack was downright wrong and Miranda just couldn't see it. Still though, Miranda redeemed herself at the end of my game when she quit Cerberus and joined my team.


Yeah, Miranda's allright.  She's just misguided in her blind devotion to Cerberus.  I'm glad she saw the light.

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Yes, Liara will definitely not die in the DLC. That'd defeat the whole purpose of why they're supposedly keeping her out of the squad in ME2: to keep her alive for ME3.

Anyone who believes that any of the ME2 squad will return as squaddies AND have a major story role is deluding themselves, IMO. Sad, but true.


I think they may provide a couple of them as optional squadmates in ME3, actually.  Miranda was pretty hard to kill and should be alive in most people's games, for example, so only a few people wouldn't have her.  I can't imagine them bringing no one over despite what Casey Hudson said.

And can you imagine the ****storm that would arise should Tali be left out?  Whatever happens, BW has painted themselves into a tough corner and people are going to be pissed.

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No, Liara won't die in the DLC. Maybe she'll get injured like Garrus during his recruitment mission just to give us a scare, but they won't kill an important character off in a DLC.



Since it's just a DLC (and not every ME fan will necessarily play it) nothing major will happen storywise. It may just be a mission to rescue Feron and fill in some of the plot from Redemption. I doubt they'd even reveal the SB, unless he's just a throw-away villian and we won't hear anything about him again. If he's going to be an important villian in ME3 he won't be revealed in DLC.

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And can you imagine the ****storm that would arise should Tali be left out?  Whatever happens, BW has painted themselves into a tough corner and people are going to be pissed.


That would break the internets as we know it.

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Les will turn into Rambo and gun down all the forum noobs. :P


:P

I could actually see myself going completely postal, heh.

I think I'm gonna start a new ME1 playthrough tomorrow, for the first time ever playing as FemShep and I'll play an adept. I'll romance Liara, of course. Looking forward to meeting her again!

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I think I'm gonna start a new ME1 playthrough tomorrow, for the first time ever playing as FemShep and I'll play an adept. I'll romance Liara, of course. Looking forward to meeting her again!

I just started a new playthrough like, an hour ago. I needed some Liara time.

Fem engineer for me. So we've got a nice balance of Biotics and tech going right now.

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No, Liara won't die in the DLC. Maybe she'll get injured like Garrus during his recruitment mission just to give us a scare, but they won't kill an important character off in a DLC.

Since it's just a DLC (and not every ME fan will necessarily play it) nothing major will happen storywise. It may just be a mission to rescue Feron and fill in some of the plot from Redemption. I doubt they'd even reveal the SB, unless he's just a throw-away villian and we won't hear anything about him again. If he's going to be an important villian in ME3 he won't be revealed in DLC.


But maybe the SB won't be a major villain in ME3.  The SB hasn't been a major anything so far, so why not play out his story in DLC?  That would be good marketing and make the dlc consequencial without affecting the Reaper storyline at all.  It seems tailor made for DLC or expansion.

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Yes, Liara will definitely not die in the DLC. That'd defeat the whole purpose of why they're supposedly keeping her out of the squad in ME2: to keep her alive for ME3.

Anyone who believes that any of the ME2 squad will return as squaddies AND have a major story role is deluding themselves, IMO. Sad, but true.


I think they may provide a couple of them as optional squadmates in ME3, actually.  Miranda was pretty hard to kill and should be alive in most people's games, for example, so only a few people wouldn't have her.  I can't imagine them bringing no one over despite what Casey Hudson said.

And can you imagine the ****storm that would arise should Tali be left out?  Whatever happens, BW has painted themselves into a tough corner and people are going to be pissed.


Yeah. They have a ton of work to do if they want to appease the masses this time around. There are tons of fanclubs devoted to tons of characters. People get attached to them in a way they didn't predict. They added so many between 1 and 2. There are a ton of possible outcomes. I think a lot of them will hit Cameo land because of the very fact at the sheer amount of possible outcomes, and that's just too huge of a task. Anyone remember Nozy's LI analysis and all the ways that could play out? That doesn't count squad dynamics.

I play paragon so I made sure my entire crew surivived, but out of the ME2 cast the only ones I really want to stay are Mordin (he's just funny to me), Legion (interesting character), and Samara (although she probably won't because of the code).

On the subject of Tali, yeah they're gonna have to bring her back. I don't mind though because she's always been loyal to Sheps cause.

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No, Liara won't die in the DLC. Maybe she'll get injured like Garrus during his recruitment mission just to give us a scare, but they won't kill an important character off in a DLC.

Since it's just a DLC (and not every ME fan will necessarily play it) nothing major will happen storywise. It may just be a mission to rescue Feron and fill in some of the plot from Redemption. I doubt they'd even reveal the SB, unless he's just a throw-away villian and we won't hear anything about him again. If he's going to be an important villian in ME3 he won't be revealed in DLC.


Agreed, the SB seems to be being painted as a rather large villain, as evidenced by how the whole Liara vs Shadow Broker story has been expanded. I've always thought that we wouldn't actually elimate the SB with Liara in the DLC, but do something to weaken his operations.

Intimate dialogue with Liara is absolute critical, though. If we don't get a chance to comfort and console her I'll be pissed.