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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Personally I think the only decent part of that dialogue is that Liara defends herself from a hypocritical Shepard.

"You did this to me! You made me willingly follow cerberus of my own volition with hardly anything but the weakest of protests!"

Also not forgetting Shepard was the moron who got himself killed to begin with. IMO, the dialogue is just another instance of "jerkgade". Still, the only other option is "thnx, teh mishon iz 2 importehnt", so either way youre basically subjected to some of the worst written dialogue ME2 has to offer if you ask me.

I think it's more for Terminator/Renegade Shepard, because lets face it, he's no longer human (or completely human), he looks like the Terminator, and he's forced to work for a terrorist group, in a galaxy that hates him. This is also the whiny brat Shepard. Also, I didn't like that scene, because it seems like the relationship is going to turn into a wife beater relationship.

I never saw it as a renegade action. I always imagiend the renegade just didn't care enough about Liara. And they support Cerberus so they don't mind working for em.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Lizardviking wrote...


I never saw it as a renegade action. I always imagiend the renegade just didn't care enough about Liara. And they support Cerberus so they don't mind working for em.

Again though, they dont offer any sort of chance on that.

I personally think the options should have been either gratitude for basically allowing Shepards life to be saved, despite being dead, or simply anger at the fact that she hid her involvement from Shepard and deceived him. Trying to be indignant over a situation where the choices were either handed over to cerberus (either by Liaras hands or their own) or to the collectors doesnt make sense.

What, should she have burnt the body instead and sprinkled the ashes somewhere nice? Unless you are actively playing a Shepard whom you know is in the wrong and acting like a jerk, I cant see the point in picking that dialogue, and since you cant know beforehand, I think its badly written all around.

[bjdbwea]

The whole idea of killing Shepard was always stupid and totally uncalled for. The beginning cutscene was well done, but then there wasn't even anything done with the whole death / resurrection theme. What was it for? Just so you can reset the character and introduce your new mechanics? Really, BioWare?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

bjdbwea wrote...

The whole idea of killing Shepard was always stupid and totally uncalled for. The beginning cutscene was well done, but then there wasn't even anything done with the whole death / resurrection theme. What was it for? Just so you can reset the character and introduce your new mechanics? Really, BioWare?

Yep. And don't forget so Bioware had an excuse to make the council into disbelieving idiots again (which spits the ending of ME1 in the face).

I wonder what kind of start ME3 will have? Maybe it involves Shepard and the entire ME2 crew in a shuttle, then the shuttle crashes. Everyone dies execpt Shepard who is mortally wounded, and must be rebuilt.

Thoughts?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

bjdbwea wrote...

The whole idea of killing Shepard was always stupid and totally uncalled for. The beginning cutscene was well done, but then there wasn't even anything done with the whole death / resurrection theme. What was it for? Just so you can reset the character and introduce your new mechanics? Really, BioWare?

I think it also calls into account once more than the galaxy is filled with morons in Mass Effect, since dying doesnt seem to affect Shepards reputation in the least. Oh never mind that by the illogical whims of a stupid organisation you were able to cheat what should have put you away for good, lets just concentrate on trying to make quips about getting better.

I can understand anger towards Liara, just not for the reasons the game gives, and not more than Shepard should be angry at himself.

Or more than angry at joker. Of course you cant lay into Joker for being the entire reason you were put into a position where you could get killed to begin with.

Strange logic isnt it? You go to save that morons life and get killed in the process without an angry word to show towards him the entire game, but Liara? She must be hated for handing your worthless, failed carcass over to an organisation who must be insane to give you a second chance simply on the basis of being A) in fashion and  a "great leader" (read: can taxi people around to solve their personal issues).

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Lizardviking wrote...

Yep. And don't forget so Bioware had an excuse to make the council into disbelieving idiots again (which spits the ending of ME1 in the face).

I wonder what kind of start ME3 will have? Maybe it involves Shepard and the entire ME2 crew in a shuttle, then the shuttle crashes. Everyone dies execpt Shepard who is mortally wounded, and must be rebuilt.

Thoughts?

Im praying it doesnt involve the reapers trying to "interfere" with Shepard via possible reaper tech in his body. After all, they force those idiotic glowing scars on the player no matter what. You can remove them yes, but you ALWAYS start with them.

Basides, rather than do another asspull (which is sometimes what ME2s opening feels like) it seems fairly likely they would set the second possible reset in motion with something in ME2, rather than just bring another stupid idea out of the left field to start the game with.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Yep. And don't forget so Bioware had an excuse to make the council into disbelieving idiots again (which spits the ending of ME1 in the face).

I wonder what kind of start ME3 will have? Maybe it involves Shepard and the entire ME2 crew in a shuttle, then the shuttle crashes. Everyone dies execpt Shepard who is mortally wounded, and must be rebuilt.

Thoughts?

Im praying it doesnt involve the reapers trying to "interfere" with Shepard via possible reaper tech in his body. After all, they force those idiotic glowing scars on the player no matter what. You can remove them yes, but you ALWAYS start with them.

I actuelly hope that Shepard was implanted with Reaper tech. If only because it would mean that the ME2 intro was more than an idiotic reset of the story, and give some justification for the renegade scars.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I'm off now! Goodnight!

[bjdbwea]

Lizardviking wrote...

I actuelly hope that Shepard was implanted with Reaper tech. If only because it would mean that the ME2 intro was more than an idiotic reset of the story, and give some justification for the renegade scars.

Yeah, you could tell some good story around that. I just hope they won't use it as a cheap and meaningless plot device, like they did with the death of Shepard and several other things in ME 2.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 16 août 2010 - 11:04 .

[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

I actuelly hope that Shepard was implanted with Reaper tech.

Maybe, if unlikely. On the one hand, they could have used Shepard as a small-scale test of what they did to Grayson in Retribution. On the other hand, I don't know if TIM would gamble with Shepard's personality like that, he was very specific that Shepard be brought back exactly as they were before.

Still, here's to hoping for a huge biotics battle between Liara and a Harbinger-controlled Shepard at the climax of ME3.

[IndigoWolfe]

Shavon wrote...

Tomorrow LotSB news? Let's hope!

Don't wait underwater.

[IndigoWolfe]

Why what?

[ThisIsMadness91]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I bring forward for this thread's consideration a philosophical quandary that has been bothering me of late.

Blue-bum; to smek or not to smek?

If "smek" means what I think it means, then yes, smek.

TMA LIVE wrote...

I agree. Shepard should have been given the option to say, "I can't. There's someone else."

Quoted for truth. I'd have been more comfortable with that than simply saying I wasn't interested.

[Lord Coake]

While waiting for the next DLC, I had a thought. I'm really hoping my main, Vanessa Shepard, is able to sweep Liara off her feet at the end, even if she can't come along on the Normandy.



Perfectly understandable for two powerful, professional people to have different jobs to do, especially since so much more needs to be set up against the Reapers. They'll be able to accomplish more apart than together.



No reason Shep can't leave her favorite blue archeologist blushing, breathless, and grinning like an idiot, though.

[ThisIsMadness91]

I don't know if this has been suggested before, but I was just thinking that maybe BioWare will allow us to bring Liara onboard the Normandy after the suicide mission is complete.

[bjdbwea]

ThisIsMadness91 wrote...

I don't know if this has been suggested before, but I was just thinking that maybe BioWare will allow us to bring Liara onboard the Normandy after the suicide mission is complete.

This has been suggested, of course. I would like that. I think it's unlikely though. It would require the additional recording of at least some generic dialogue, if not a full conversation tree. Unfortunately, the DLC model of BioWare/EA seems to be all about saving "unnecessary" costs and effort. Maybe this time it'll be different, we can of course hope. I hope even more though that if she stays onboard the Normandy, she's not reduced to a piece of pretty decoration and a toy like Kelly unfortunately was.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 17 août 2010 - 10:05 .

[Marcin K]

hey all

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

bjdbwea wrote...

This has been suggested, of course. I would like that. I think it's unlikely though. It would require the additional recording of at least some generic dialogue, if not a full conversation tree. Unfortunately, the DLC model of BioWare/EA seems to be all about saving "unnecessary" costs and effort. Maybe this time it'll be different, we can of course hope. I hope even more though that if she stays onboard the Normandy, she's not reduced to a piece of pretty decoration and a toy like Kelly unfortunately was.

Agreed. Having Liara aboard the Normady would be an extremely complex thing, and difficult to do. To pull it off properly she would need to perhaps be on par with someone like Joker, Gabby and Ken or Kelly, meaning that unless shes simply going to be a silent statue, she needs to change her comments or interaction.

It all seems far too expensive and complex, and to be honest I think its just the unrealistic desires of some desperate fans that have got this rolling.

Id much rather her remain absent, but under the promise that its temporary, and just until shes tied up all the loose ends with the SB and what can be learned from the SBs empire and then will rejoin Shep for ME3.

Seems much better to have a nod towards an ME3 return rather than a simple but complicated role on the ship as an NPC that is simply bound to cause problems in the future.

[Lord Zeuss]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I actuelly hope that Shepard was implanted with Reaper tech.

Maybe, if unlikely. On the one hand, they could have used Shepard as a small-scale test of what they did to Grayson in Retribution. On the other hand, I don't know if TIM would gamble with Shepard's personality like that, he was very specific that Shepard be brought back exactly as they were before.

Still, here's to hoping for a huge biotics battle between Liara and a Harbinger-controlled Shepard at the climax of ME3.

No, silly, Liara will simply obliterate the Reapers with her mad biotic skillz at the end of Mass Effect 3. Sheesh.

This assuming direct control of Shepard idea is really dumb.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Hellooo Liara thread! Hows ya doin'?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Still hoping this week is when we actually get some more information on this DLC. Its amazing how little we actually know still, and for how long its been this way.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 17 août 2010 - 01:53 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Still hoping this week is when we actually get some more information on this DLC. Its amazingly how little we actually know still, and for how long its been this way.

Haven't it been almost a month since the DLC was announced?

Come on Bioware! Give us an interview dammit!!

Where's Casey Hudson when you need him?