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Support Liara T'Soni for ME3 - Squadmate and LI

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 05:34

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Somebody1003 wrote...
I have yet to recieve my issue from tfaw.:pinched:


That sucks, I got mine today, and I'm in the UK.

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 05:34

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Yeled wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

Yeled wrote...

Did anyone hear the rumor that the SB is the geth? I can't remember why people thought this was true...it had something to do with somethign Legion said.


I didn't hear about that. I also didn't explore Legions dialogue in full yet. I will be on my next ME2 playthrough. It's going to be my "import for ME3" playthrough. I am interested though, do you remember what Legion said that would come to this conclusion?


I'll see if I can find the link where I saw that.  It may just be someone's conjecture.



Ok, its just someone speculating.  Here's the post:


After the confrontation Tali and Legion have, Legion will explain to Shepard that the Geth have been monitoring organic information since they've vanished into the Veil. Even now, they still have free control over information from the intranet and all media outlets. He then explains that the Geth manipulate the information to buy and sell for information or resources they need...

And then you have the other piece you find from Illium;

When Liara sends you to investigate who this Observer is, as you finish she explains that the Shadow Broker wanted to sell Shepards body to the Collectors... Shepard was killed in Geth Space. Leading one to believe that Shepard was first discovered by the Geth. The Shadow Broker was in possession of Shepards Body BEFORE Cerberus.

And finally, lets tie this all in with a little outside source;

In Mass Effect: Redemption the Shadow Broker was hired by the Collectors to retrieve Shepard's body and deliver it to them. As Harbinger is talking about the deal to the Shadow Broker, only one voice is responding to the possessed Collector further hinting that the Shadow Broker is indeed a singular individual.

In Mass Effect 2, Legion always refers to the Geth as a singular entity. And it's quite clear, given the suggestions from Mass Effect 1, That the shadow broker deals with too much information moving quickly to be considered a single individual. While an organic would have too hard of a time dealing with retaining all that valuable information, the Geth Prime would not.

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 05:36

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justinnstuff wrote...

I remember the Volus now, but I don't remember any Liara dialogue that hinted at her thinking it was more than just 1 person.


She does say something to the effect of "There's speculation he may actually be a group of people working under one name".

Seems to me Liara won't actually meet the SB face to face in issue 4 of Redemption. Tell you what, I can't wait until it's released, so we can get some more insight into Liara's character development in ME2. Poor blueberry. :crying:


Yeah, I hope the comic can tie it up. Although it's going to be difficult with just 1 issue to go, and they're not very long. When it comes out though, I'm sure we'll be eating up all the info alive :lol:

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morrie23 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...
I have yet to recieve my issue from tfaw.:pinched:


That sucks, I got mine today, and I'm in the UK.

I am hoping for it today, still waiting for the mail.

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 05:40

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Somebody1003 wrote...

morrie23 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...
I have yet to recieve my issue from tfaw.:pinched:


That sucks, I got mine today, and I'm in the UK.

I am hoping for it today, still waiting for the mail.

Same here. Hopefully my mailman doesn't jam the envelope into the mailbox again. >.<

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After the confrontation Tali and Legion have, Legion will explain to Shepard that the Geth have been monitoring organic information since they've vanished into the Veil. Even now, they still have free control over information from the intranet and all media outlets. He then explains that the Geth manipulate the information to buy and sell for information or resources they need...

And then you have the other piece you find from Illium;

When Liara sends you to investigate who this Observer is, as you finish she explains that the Shadow Broker wanted to sell Shepards body to the Collectors... Shepard was killed in Geth Space. Leading one to believe that Shepard was first discovered by the Geth. The Shadow Broker was in possession of Shepards Body BEFORE Cerberus.

And finally, lets tie this all in with a little outside source;

In Mass Effect: Redemption the Shadow Broker was hired by the Collectors to retrieve Shepard's body and deliver it to them. As Harbinger is talking about the deal to the Shadow Broker, only one voice is responding to the possessed Collector further hinting that the Shadow Broker is indeed a singular individual.

In Mass Effect 2, Legion always refers to the Geth as a singular entity. And it's quite clear, given the suggestions from Mass Effect 1, That the shadow broker deals with too much information moving quickly to be considered a single individual. While an organic would have too hard of a time dealing with retaining all that valuable information, the Geth Prime would not.


Interesting stuff. I bolded the areas I thought made the most sense. The biggest clue is, they're not organics, and have free access to a bunch of information. Legion is simultaneously one being, but a voice outlet for the entirety of the geth. Haha, nice find. This is the kind of speculation that makes me like the ME universe.

Now that I'm thinking about this more, Legion is wearing Shepards busted armor. *hint hint*

Modifié par justinnstuff, 11 mars 2010 - 05:44 .

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I think the Liara Expansion could very well have a more interesting storyline then the actual ME2 storyline.
BW could turn it into a very deep, compelling plot that involves everyone (Liara, Shep, The Alliance, etc).
I think that the SB will definitely be a major villain in ME3 and the Liara Expansion will setup the storyline for it.
Liara will come and stay with Shepard on the Normandy no matter how it plays out though, it is the only logical answer.

I don't believe it would even be possible for BW not to put romantic and emotional dialogue in the Expansion.
It wouldn't make sense with the storyline, as it is an extremely emotional time for Liara and Shepard.

One good thing to think about is actually the extra 500 credits she gives you if you were her love.
Although it may be one of the wierdest decisions they could have made, it means they put a bit more thought into the scene and thought of another way to recognize the romance. That means that they didn't forget about us Liara Lovers.

They could have done a lot better job with the scene, but it was probably outside influences that caused them not to put emotional lines for Shepard in it.

Modifié par General Stubbs, 11 mars 2010 - 05:44 .

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Crimmsonwind wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

morrie23 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...
I have yet to recieve my issue from tfaw.:pinched:


That sucks, I got mine today, and I'm in the UK.

I am hoping for it today, still waiting for the mail.

Same here. Hopefully my mailman doesn't jam the envelope into the mailbox again. >.<

Oh man, I am always afraid of that so I watch tv around the time he comes, and from the window I can see him.
Once I see him I run like hell outside to get to him before he does that.

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 05:44

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Yeled wrote...
Ok, its just someone speculating.  Here's the post:


After the confrontation Tali and Legion have, Legion will explain to Shepard that the Geth have been monitoring organic information since they've vanished into the Veil. Even now, they still have free control over information from the intranet and all media outlets. He then explains that the Geth manipulate the information to buy and sell for information or resources they need...

And then you have the other piece you find from Illium;

When Liara sends you to investigate who this Observer is, as you finish she explains that the Shadow Broker wanted to sell Shepards body to the Collectors... Shepard was killed in Geth Space. Leading one to believe that Shepard was first discovered by the Geth. The Shadow Broker was in possession of Shepards Body BEFORE Cerberus.

And finally, lets tie this all in with a little outside source;

In Mass Effect: Redemption the Shadow Broker was hired by the Collectors to retrieve Shepard's body and deliver it to them. As Harbinger is talking about the deal to the Shadow Broker, only one voice is responding to the possessed Collector further hinting that the Shadow Broker is indeed a singular individual.

In Mass Effect 2, Legion always refers to the Geth as a singular entity. And it's quite clear, given the suggestions from Mass Effect 1, That the shadow broker deals with too much information moving quickly to be considered a single individual. While an organic would have too hard of a time dealing with retaining all that valuable information, the Geth Prime would not.


I think there are a few mistakes in this speculation or maybe I'm wrong we'll see,first Shepard wasnt really killed in Geth space,irc the Normandy Crashsite is in the same cluster as Omega so it was the Terminus systems,second as I got it from talking to Legion,yes the geth monitor organic live,but he never says something about buying or selling info for ressources,I'm under the impression that the Geth trade with noone.
As for the whole thing with manipulation of info that was some sort of Experiment seeing how organics would react.
That Harbinger only speaks to one person is not really a point,it would be annoying it the SB was several persons and they all would talk at once

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 05:44

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justinnstuff wrote...

Yeled wrote...

After the confrontation Tali and Legion have, Legion will explain to Shepard that the Geth have been monitoring organic information since they've vanished into the Veil. Even now, they still have free control over information from the intranet and all media outlets. He then explains that the Geth manipulate the information to buy and sell for information or resources they need...

And then you have the other piece you find from Illium;

When Liara sends you to investigate who this Observer is, as you finish she explains that the Shadow Broker wanted to sell Shepards body to the Collectors... Shepard was killed in Geth Space. Leading one to believe that Shepard was first discovered by the Geth. The Shadow Broker was in possession of Shepards Body BEFORE Cerberus.

And finally, lets tie this all in with a little outside source;

In Mass Effect: Redemption the Shadow Broker was hired by the Collectors to retrieve Shepard's body and deliver it to them. As Harbinger is talking about the deal to the Shadow Broker, only one voice is responding to the possessed Collector further hinting that the Shadow Broker is indeed a singular individual.

In Mass Effect 2, Legion always refers to the Geth as a singular entity. And it's quite clear, given the suggestions from Mass Effect 1, That the shadow broker deals with too much information moving quickly to be considered a single individual. While an organic would have too hard of a time dealing with retaining all that valuable information, the Geth Prime would not.


Interesting stuff. I bolded the areas I thought made the most sense. The biggest clue is, they're not organics, and have free access to a bunch of information. Legion is simultaneously one being, but a voice outlet for the entirety of the geth. Haha, nice find. This is the kind of speculation that makes me like the ME universe.

But Legion always refers to himself as "We," not "I." He says "I" once in the entire game, and nobody's been able to confirm if it was a slip, or on purpose. SB says "I always do" at the end of #1, doesn't he?

Unless  the geth were disguising themselves by saying "I" instead of "We"...

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 05:46

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 But Legion always refers to himself as "We," not "I." He says "I" once in the entire game, and nobody's been able to confirm if it was a slip, or on purpose. SB says "I always do" at the end of #1, doesn't he?

Unless  the geth were disguising themselves by saying "I" instead of "We"...


That's how Legion views himself, but organics would view him differently.

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 05:49

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justinnstuff wrote...

Yeled wrote...

After the confrontation Tali and Legion have, Legion will explain to Shepard that the Geth have been monitoring organic information since they've vanished into the Veil. Even now, they still have free control over information from the intranet and all media outlets. He then explains that the Geth manipulate the information to buy and sell for information or resources they need...

And then you have the other piece you find from Illium;

When Liara sends you to investigate who this Observer is, as you finish she explains that the Shadow Broker wanted to sell Shepards body to the Collectors... Shepard was killed in Geth Space. Leading one to believe that Shepard was first discovered by the Geth. The Shadow Broker was in possession of Shepards Body BEFORE Cerberus.

And finally, lets tie this all in with a little outside source;

In Mass Effect: Redemption the Shadow Broker was hired by the Collectors to retrieve Shepard's body and deliver it to them. As Harbinger is talking about the deal to the Shadow Broker, only one voice is responding to the possessed Collector further hinting that the Shadow Broker is indeed a singular individual.

In Mass Effect 2, Legion always refers to the Geth as a singular entity. And it's quite clear, given the suggestions from Mass Effect 1, That the shadow broker deals with too much information moving quickly to be considered a single individual. While an organic would have too hard of a time dealing with retaining all that valuable information, the Geth Prime would not.


Interesting stuff. I bolded the areas I thought made the most sense. The biggest clue is, they're not organics, and have free access to a bunch of information. Legion is simultaneously one being, but a voice outlet for the entirety of the geth. Haha, nice find. This is the kind of speculation that makes me like the ME universe.

Now that I'm thinking about this more, Legion is wearing Shepards busted armor. *hint hint*


The busted armor could tie in to the original Legion and Liara rescue the body thing, which would mean the SB is the renegade Geth and Legion is trying to rescue the body from the renegades lest they pass the body over to the collectors.

A couple problems arise from this, though.  First, it would be impossible to deal with the SB in dlc.  Second, if the SB is the renegade Geth then shep either wiped them out or converted them to the normal geth.  Third, why would the renegade geth sell the body rather than just hand it over to their gods?

Which means the SB could be the regular geth, but that's equally problematic.  Why would Legion need to steal the body from the SB is the SB is the geth?  And why would the geth be willing to hand the body over to their enemies...unless they didn't know the collectors were working for the Reapers?

Anyway, I'm not really convinced.  But its an interesting theory.

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Oh man, I am always afraid of that so I watch tv around the time he comes, and from the window I can see him.
Once I see him I run like hell outside to get to him before he does that.


Ours does that too. I'm waiting for all 4 issues to be released, then I'm going to buy them in a bundle. I hope I catch him in time :pinched:

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I think the Liara Expansion could very well have a more interesting storyline then the actual ME2 storyline.
BW could turn it into a very deep, compelling plot that involves everyone (Liara, Shep, The Alliance, etc).
I think that the SB will definitely be a major villain in ME3 and the Liara Expansion will setup the storyline for it.
Liara will come and stay with Shepard on the Normandy no matter how it plays out though, it is the only logical answer.

I don't believe it would even be possible for BW not to put romantic and emotional dialogue in the Expansion.
It wouldn't make sense with the storyline, as it is an extremely emotional time for Liara and Shepard.

One good thing to think about is actually the extra 500 credits she gives you if you were her love.
Although it may be one of the wierdest decisions they could have made, it means they put a bit more thought into the scene and thought of another way to recognize the romance. That means that they didn't forget about us Liara Lovers.

They could have done a lot better job with the scene, but it was probably outside influences that caused them not to put emotional lines for Shepard in it.


Exactly, Stubbs. There's not only that with the credits, but \\Liara also changes her reactions if you romanced her. She smiles alot more, there's alot less frowning, and she tells you she can't come with you in an almost apologetic way, rather than the snappy way she does for a non LI. BW clearly haven't forgot about the Liara romance in ME2, it's just I believe that the existence of Redemption means that the reunion scene had to be cut down dramatically, and we'll get the full version once Redemption concludes and we get the Liara DLC.

BW can't leave the Liara romance like that in ME2. They just...can't.

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A couple problems arise from this, though.  First, it would be impossible to deal with the SB in dlc.  Second, if the SB is the renegade Geth then shep either wiped them out or converted them to the normal geth.  Third, why would the renegade geth sell the body rather than just hand it over to their gods?


You have a point in not being able to deal with the SB in a DLC. Audio files cut from the game suggest that you eventually DO kill the SB. Liara says he's taken care of. Secondly, they did sell the body to the collectors, which in turn work for their gods. That part may very well line up. Although that was a sale, not a handover. It's interesting speculation, but I don't see a tie in either. I don't think the SB is the geth, heretics or not.

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Oh man, I am always afraid of that so I watch tv around the time he comes, and from the window I can see him.
Once I see him I run like hell outside to get to him before he does that.


Ours does that too. I'm waiting for all 4 issues to be released, then I'm going to buy them in a bundle. I hope I catch him in time :pinched:

Also I believe that tfaw lets you pay 25 cents per comic for them to put a cardboard backing in the bags.
That may help when your mailman decides to stuff your comics into the mailbox.

Modifié par Somebody1003, 11 mars 2010 - 05:52 .

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 05:52

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justinnstuff wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It will be optional but I think it will definitely be an option...for 'fariness' so those that hate her can kill her off.

Though I don't see how one can hate Liara.  I understand those that find her uninteresting and are apathetic to her character, but hate??  


I know, why would you actively go out of your way to kill her? That's horrible.

Any possible Liara death scene I will NEVER see. Not on YouTube, not in the game, never.


I wouldn't be able to handle it either. Just... no.

as for optional Liara kill for haters [IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO LOVE LIARA AND WE ARE TALLKING ABOUT HATE] could be: Liara gets wounded and it's up to Shep how it turns out. [for ex. he let himself get wounded to save her, she then loves him even more and we go Paragon and you now.... the...other... [can't type it]...

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Exactly, Stubbs. There's not only that with the credits, but \\\\Liara also changes her reactions if you romanced her. She smiles alot more, there's alot less frowning, and she tells you she can't come with you in an almost apologetic way, rather than the snappy way she does for a non LI. BW clearly haven't forgot about the Liara romance in ME2, it's just I believe that the existence of Redemption means that the reunion scene had to be cut down dramatically, and we'll get the full version once Redemption concludes and we get the Liara DLC.

BW can't leave the Liara romance like that in ME2. They just...can't.


+1 for Les. =]

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as for optional Liara kill for haters [IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO LOVE LIARA AND WE ARE TALLKING ABOUT HATE] could be: Liara gets wounded and it's up to Shep how it turns out. [for ex. he let himself get wounded to save her, she then loves him even more and we go Paragon and you now.... the...other... [can't type it]...


Aww, that's making me sad just thinking about it! :crying:

Liara will never, ever die for me. Never.

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 06:03

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Bah, mail came, no comic. I don't know why, but it seems to take ages for me to get my Mass Effect comics from TFAW. I got my Harley & Ivy TPB in like, 6 days, but I preorder these and it takes me two weeks to get them.:pinched:

Ah well. I'll be waiting for my Liara fix until next week, it seems.

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That seems bizarre, you live in the US and I live in England, yet I recieve the comic before you do.

I've totally had my Liara fix, the comic came this morning for me. :D

Modifié par LesEnfantsTerribles, 11 mars 2010 - 06:05 .

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 06:07

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I haven't gotten my comic yet from TFAW either. I live in the US.

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 06:07

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I'm hoping it shows up either tomorrow or Saturday. That way I'll have the weekend to read it and re-read it ten times over and stare at the pretty pictures.



And by pretty pictures I mean Liara. >.>

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Exactly, Stubbs. There's not only that with the credits, but \\\\\\\\Liara also changes her reactions if you romanced her. She smiles alot more, there's alot less frowning, and she tells you she can't come with you in an almost apologetic way, rather than the snappy way she does for a non LI. BW clearly haven't forgot about the Liara romance in ME2, it's just I believe that the existence of Redemption means that the reunion scene had to be cut down dramatically, and we'll get the full version once Redemption concludes and we get the Liara DLC.

BW can't leave the Liara romance like that in ME2. They just...can't.

Huh, very interesting that they actually recorded the same lines for Liara with different emotions if you were her love.

If you ever try and ask someone a question about something they can't talk about, they generally try to give you an answer in a cryptic way. (Such as when someone asks you a yes or no question you can't answer, you could say  "I cannot confirm that". Which should mean "yes" because you could have not answered the question altogether or you could have said no).
When someone (in this case BW) gives you more information then necessary (There can never be enough emotional dialogue between Liara and Shepard, but what I mean is that they could have ignored what we thought altogether and made us wait for the Expansion with no indicators from them), they are usually trying to tell you something.

I believe that is what happened with the Liara scene, BW was trying to tell us thay we have not been forgotten by adding additional parts in the scene for us.
They can't immediately come out and say, "We are going to release a Liara Expansion". But they can try to give us
indicators and hope we see and understand them.

Thanks for pointing her difference in emotions to me.
I already thought there was going to be a Liara Expansion, but that further proves it.

Modifié par General Stubbs, 11 mars 2010 - 06:09 .

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Posté 11 mars 2010 - 06:08

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Have people seen this fan art?  Its not mine, but I hadn't seen it before and thought I'd share.
http://cheeseboy1819...-Liara-71406757
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