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[IndigoWolfe]

If I were to pick a single piece of music to be heard in Lair Of The Shadow Broker, it would probably be this.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 24 août 2010 - 02:53 .

[WilliamShatner]

I would pick this www.youtube.com/watch

[jlb524]

WilliamShatner wrote...

I would pick this www.youtube.com/watch

I did not expect that.

[WilliamShatner]

jlb524 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I think she looks more mature in a world-weary kind-of-way. I also think she looks a bit less like her face-model. Does anyone think she looks like someone in-game? Are they trying to hint at her father's identity?

I always thought she looked like Aria, but people think I'm crazy.

Hmm...I should do a comparison shot of those two when I get home.

I think in some of the new screenshots Liara looks a lot like Samara.  They're definitely given her a more angular face.

CONTINUITY FOR PETE'S SAKE PEOPLE!

[MrnDvlDg161]

Wow.



Its a amazing to me how characters take a life of their own when their introduced properly in a narrative, 1,867 posts about Liara T'Soni.



As for the Kaiden/Ashley one... sorry for me, no smoochy-smoochy letter is going to fix how she acted on Horizen. Only character that out right told Shepard to kiss off --- if there was anyone that belonged in a tea cup its Ashley Williams and her blind faith to the lame Alliance!

[pf17456]

I like Liara's new look. I think she looks more mature and considering that there is a possibility that Liara may reside in Shepard's cabin I prefer her change in appearence simply because she looks more like a companion than a follower. No longer an innocent Asari scientist with an unyielding love for Shepard but more like a woman in her own right capable of making her own decisions, confident, self assured and able to look Shepard in the eye as an equal. If she is to be Shepard's companion on the Normandy then her role as a leader needs to develop lest she appear to others as merely Shepard's squeeze in the cabin and her current 'look' IMO is more reflective of someone more believable in the role of Shepard's partner. I don't think she looks tired, worn, anorexic or stressed out. I think she just looks older and wiser and to me that translates into more beautiful.

[jlb524]

WilliamShatner wrote...

I think in some of the new screenshots Liara looks a lot like Samara.  They're definitely given her a more angular face.

CONTINUITY FOR PETE'S SAKE PEOPLE!

Hmmmm.....she does a bit.   If Liara's parentage becomes a big dea sometime down the road, I don't think it will be Samara as she can possibly die in ME2.  Though, if it was her, we wouldn't have to worry about Liara being an Ardat-Yakshi as Samara would be the father asari.

[jlb524]

pf17456 wrote...

I like Liara's new look. I think she looks more mature and considering that there is a possibility that Liara may reside in Shepard's cabin I prefer her change in appearence simply because she looks more like a companion than a follower. No longer an innocent Asari scientist with an unyielding love for Shepard but more like a woman in her own right capable of making her own decisions, confident, self assured and able to look Shepard in the eye as an equal. If she is to be Shepard's companion on the Normandy then her role as a leader needs to develop lest she appear to others as merely Shepard's squeeze in the cabin and her current 'look' IMO is more reflective of someone more believable in the role of Shepard's partner. I don't think she looks tired, worn, anorexic or stressed out. I think she just looks older and wiser and to me that translates into more beautiful.

I think Liara was always an equal to Shepard.  I think she was also quite mature and capable of making her own decisions.  I actually fear they will move in the reverse direction and make her emotionally dependent on Shepard.

I would weep

But, I think you might be saying that they will do an even better job of showing her personal strenght and independence, correct?

[MrnDvlDg161]

Well you already saw a huge change in her.



Now she's shaking people down, collecting debts, and even outright making war with the Shadow Broker. I would say her independence and strength have been accelerated.

[pf17456]

jlb524 wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

I like Liara's new look. I think she looks more mature and considering that there is a possibility that Liara may reside in Shepard's cabin I prefer her change in appearence simply because she looks more like a companion than a follower. No longer an innocent Asari scientist with an unyielding love for Shepard but more like a woman in her own right capable of making her own decisions, confident, self assured and able to look Shepard in the eye as an equal. If she is to be Shepard's companion on the Normandy then her role as a leader needs to develop lest she appear to others as merely Shepard's squeeze in the cabin and her current 'look' IMO is more reflective of someone more believable in the role of Shepard's partner. I don't think she looks tired, worn, anorexic or stressed out. I think she just looks older and wiser and to me that translates into more beautiful.

I think Liara was always an equal to Shepard.  I think she was also quite mature and capable of making her own decisions.  I actually fear they will move in the reverse direction and make her emotionally dependent on Shepard.

I would weep

But, I think you might be saying that they will do an even better job of showing her personal strenght and independence, correct?

Yes. I agree Liara was always an equal to Shepard. I think her new look makes her look more the part.

[Nerevar-as]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Wow.

Its a amazing to me how characters take a life of their own when their introduced properly in a narrative, 1,867 posts about Liara T'Soni.

As for the Kaiden/Ashley one... sorry for me, no smoochy-smoochy letter is going to fix how she acted on Horizen. Only character that out right told Shepard to kiss off --- if there was anyone that belonged in a tea cup its Ashley Williams and her blind faith to the lame Alliance!

Try their POV, you arrive after 2 yeats MIA, joined a terrorist group, and ask him/her to go AWOL to join said group. Then you let them go without a word.
Who wrote the scene so bad?

[jamskinner]

She got a new mole or freckle on her forehead.

[jlb524]

pf17456 wrote...

Yes. I agree Liara was always an equal to Shepard. I think her new look makes her look more the part.

She was a bit of an ingenue before, though, and I think she has lost her innocent idealism due to the events of the past two years.  I think this is the big change with Liara.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jamskinner wrote...

She got a new mole or freckle on her forehead.

I noticed that. Its difficult to know for sure exactly what has changed due to the lighting of that scene (since another scene made her look almost like ME1, only darker).

ATM, Im not fussed about the changes, She still looks like Liara. Seeing in game will tell for sure though.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Nerevar-as wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Wow.

Its a amazing to me how characters take a life of their own when their introduced properly in a narrative, 1,867 posts about Liara T'Soni.

As for the Kaiden/Ashley one... sorry for me, no smoochy-smoochy letter is going to fix how she acted on Horizen. Only character that out right told Shepard to kiss off --- if there was anyone that belonged in a tea cup its Ashley Williams and her blind faith to the lame Alliance!

Try their POV, you arrive after 2 yeats MIA, joined a terrorist group, and ask him/her to go AWOL to join said group. Then you let them go without a word.
Who wrote the scene so bad?

I tried this POV.  Serious I did --- and the  2nd time around provided me with the same end result... however --- what did change for me was the background story of Liara and Shepard's body, after that revalation --- one I didn't get because I skipped helping Liara the first time,  it is Liara that deserves devotion as she took the hard road to keep Shepard in the universe. One could make a good argument that Liara may have saved the galaxy with her actions and therefore she deserves his own matched devotion.

As for the Kaiden/Ashley senario,  true... her attitude and character are traits that would make her have brash decisions, but its still inexcusable within the parameters and controlled enviorment of which it was written.

Indeed I asked my self --- who wrote this awful interlude?  Becuase think about it... yeah you were MIA for 2 years --- but if I told you that I was a spaced husk of a body and was operated on for 2 after I just pulled your butt from being liquified, I would expect something like...ohh I don't know... apperication at least?

No.. instead she goes on about being  Pro-Alliance.  Garrus said it best about her blind goose stepping. I even handed that damn woman one of my  Spectre weapons because I thought she'd be more protected when fighting the reaper Geth/Krogan while I took the lesser weapon.  Didn't pick her as an  Li because in my case, its better off not to be too attached to those who are not only military affilitated with your command but for the same reasons of the Ferros incident --- your forced to choose to send someone to their death and it may break your needed impartial postion to make such a choice.

Having said that, the Salarian Commander needed a leader, well that meant  Kaiden as he was an acting Leutenant. He died --- so the woman survivied even that so she should be more apperciative.

That was just plain wrong.  An awful betrayal and I imagine it was worse for those who decided to take her into Shepard's private life.

[Lord Coake]

I love Liara's new look.  It's...uncomplicated.  She looks so focused and, well, mature in this picture, while still being huggable.  Not the cute, naive archeologist from ME1, and not the almost panicky, off-kilter businesswoman we met in ME2.

I really hope my first impression is correct. She looks ready to kick ass and take names now. 

Modifié par Lord Coake, 24 août 2010 - 05:05 .

[Jade5233]

Nerevar-as wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Wow.

Its a amazing to me how characters take a life of their own when their introduced properly in a narrative, 1,867 posts about Liara T'Soni.

As for the Kaiden/Ashley one... sorry for me, no smoochy-smoochy letter is going to fix how she acted on Horizen. Only character that out right told Shepard to kiss off --- if there was anyone that belonged in a tea cup its Ashley Williams and her blind faith to the lame Alliance!

Try their POV, you arrive after 2 yeats MIA, joined a terrorist group, and ask him/her to go AWOL to join said group. Then you let them go without a word.
Who wrote the scene so bad?

Ugh!  No kidding!  I wasn't so angry with Kaidan as I was with Shepard on Horizon.  You just can watch the whole gammat of emotions of relief and joy at seeing her to hurt that all she has to say is "Long time, how'vya been?" to anger.
There were hardly any dialogue options that I would have wanted after worrying that his escape pod made it okay and then running around the Citadel and then Horizon desperately trying to find him again.
A Paragon/Renegade options would have been nice toward the end.  Paragon--just gab and kiss the VS.  Renegade--tackle them as the walked away and kiss them.  LOL.

As for Liara:  Yes.  She of all the ME1 characters seems to have had the largest character development/jump between ME1 and ME2.  I'm reading the comics now to see some of what made that leap happen.  I'm looking forward to playing a continuation of her story and am making my first male Shepard to romance her in preparation for the DLC.

but I know that Kaidan also had some growth.  He's no longer the little subordinate that will follow Shepard anywhere.  He stands toe-to-toe with her on Horizon and holds his ground, he doesn't fold on his principles even for his LI.  I've got to respect that.
(I'm sure Ash's is similar--I just have never played it--can't kill Kaidan on Virmire)

[Jade5233]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Wow.

Its a amazing to me how characters take a life of their own when their introduced properly in a narrative, 1,867 posts about Liara T'Soni.

As for the Kaiden/Ashley one... sorry for me, no smoochy-smoochy letter is going to fix how she acted on Horizen. Only character that out right told Shepard to kiss off --- if there was anyone that belonged in a tea cup its Ashley Williams and her blind faith to the lame Alliance!

Try their POV, you arrive after 2 yeats MIA, joined a terrorist group, and ask him/her to go AWOL to join said group. Then you let them go without a word.
Who wrote the scene so bad?

I tried this POV.  Serious I did --- and the  2nd time around provided me with the same end result... however --- what did change for me was the background story of Liara and Shepard's body, after that revalation --- one I didn't get because I skipped helping Liara the first time,  it is Liara that deserves devotion as she took the hard road to keep Shepard in the universe. One could make a good argument that Liara may have saved the galaxy with her actions and therefore she deserves his own matched devotion.

As for the Kaiden/Ashley senario,  true... her attitude and character are traits that would make her have brash decisions, but its still inexcusable within the parameters and controlled enviorment of which it was written.

Indeed I asked my self --- who wrote this awful interlude?  Becuase think about it... yeah you were MIA for 2 years --- but if I told you that I was a spaced husk of a body and was operated on for 2 after I just pulled your butt from being liquified, I would expect something like...ohh I don't know... apperication at least?

No.. instead she goes on about being  Pro-Alliance.  Garrus said it best about her blind goose stepping. I even handed that damn woman one of my  Spectre weapons because I thought she'd be more protected when fighting the reaper Geth/Krogan while I took the lesser weapon.  Didn't pick her as an  Li because in my case, its better off not to be too attached to those who are not only military affilitated with your command but for the same reasons of the Ferros incident --- your forced to choose to send someone to their death and it may break your needed impartial postion to make such a choice.

Having said that, the Salarian Commander needed a leader, well that meant  Kaiden as he was an acting Leutenant. He died --- so the woman survivied even that so she should be more apperciative.

That was just plain wrong.  An awful betrayal and I imagine it was worse for those who decided to take her into Shepard's private life.

I understand.  And we all have our lines in the sand with characters.
But if your former lover returns from the "dead" with a terrorist organization that you both had seen had done terrible things in the past--wouldn't you question if the person had been an agent of that organization all along?  That they had played you for all that time--made you fall in love with them, got what Cerberus wanted from them and then left you thinking they were dead for 2 years.
Wouldn't you feel betrayed and not be likely to believe some lame story about being resurrected from the dead?  To us, that's a common plot device that we can swallow.  But to the characters in the game, its not.  Resurrection is not something that happens.  The spy/betrayal story is much more likely.
I can't blame them.

Sorry.  Back to Liara--the one that doesn't turn her back on Shepard even when she is dead. 

[jlb524]

Lord Coake wrote...






I love Liara's new look.  It's...uncomplicated.  She looks so focused and, well, mature in this picture, while still being huggable.  Not the cute, naive archeologist from ME1, and not the almost panicky, off-kilter businesswoman we met in ME2.

I really hope my first impression is correct. She looks ready to kick ass and take names now. 

Her new armor is absolutely awesome as well.  It even comes with a removable jacket.  It's all...cool and futuristic looking...but professional. 

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Regards to feelings towards ME1 LI reunions in ME2.



With the VS I was angry with Shepard more. Okay, maybe the VS should have been a little more open minded about the pursuit of the connection to the reapers being valid, but on the whole, Shepard just felt like an emotionally barren jackass. "Sup, Cerby totally like rebuilt me, and they are like totally the only people getting off their asses to try and stop the reapers, so Im working with them".



With Liara, I was angry at both Shepard and Liara. You can at least tell Liara you came to talk to her, not to listen to nothing but the hunt for the Shadow Broker or what information she can give. Regardless, both Liara and Shepard felt like idiots ignoring the elephant in the room during all those conversations. Even when she "brings down her defenses", all she does is try to justify her hunt.



Of course, thats trying my best to continue roleplaying under such crappy circumstances. Ultimately I was far more angry with ME2 as a whole for having to endure those two seperate instances.

[TMA LIVE]

Well, I was more mad at the VS then Shepard, since Shepard can tell them he died 2 years ago, and was brought back from the dead. Instead of them reacting to that bomb shell of knowledge, they say, "Whoa! You're working for Cerberus now? You're a traitor!"

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

TMA LIVE wrote...

"Whoa! You're working for Cerberus now? You're a traitor!"

Which is true. Shepard simply hides behind the pursuit of the reapers and is somehow completely clean because of this.

Personally, if this trilogy doesnt end with an option to destroy Cerberus completely, Ill consider it one of the key failures of the trilogy, almost on par with a last minute asspull to destroy the reapers.

[Lord Coake]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

"Whoa! You're working for Cerberus now? You're a traitor!"

Which is true. Shepard simply hides behind the pursuit of the reapers and is somehow completely clean because of this.

Personally, if this trilogy doesnt end with an option to destroy Cerberus completely, Ill consider it one of the key failures of the trilogy, almost on par with a last minute asspull to destroy the reapers.

Shep wakes up and finds herself locked in a catch-22, with Timmy having a head start and blocking her options.  I see Joker as the real traitor.  The best example being if Shep reallwell and truly screw up and gets the whole team killed.  Joker is the one at the helm, EDI is copletely freed, and the crew is shellshocked. Whats he do?  Instead of say, heading for the Citadel, or Arcturus Station, or even some random Turian fleet outpost, he goes crawling back to Timmy.

Bastard is a Cerberus man through and through now.

[TMA LIVE]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

"Whoa! You're working for Cerberus now? You're a traitor!"

Which is true. Shepard simply hides behind the pursuit of the reapers and is somehow completely clean because of this.

Personally, if this trilogy doesnt end with an option to destroy Cerberus completely, Ill consider it one of the key failures of the trilogy, almost on par with a last minute asspull to destroy the reapers.

Yeah, but again, you can say you don't work for them, and you're only doing this for the right reasons. Again, why aren't they like "What? They put you back together? How is that even possible? I saw the Normandy get destroyed! Are you really you? What happened to you?" Or hell, why don't they tell you to quit? Why don't they tell you to come with them, instead of continuing to work for those "bad people"?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 24 août 2010 - 06:07 .