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[jlb524]

I'm just completely fascinated by Liara's emotional and mental states throughout this entire ME2/Shadow Broker ordeal.



I just like strong emotions, especially from someone who is mature enough to handle them (as I believe Liara is).

[tmk]

jlb524 wrote...

What does your sig mean, Night?

'OGame'?

It's a browser-based MMO strategy of sorts.

Stormy-B wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Liara...I'm thinking she'll be quite angry throughout the majority of this DLC. She carries a lot of it with her. It needs to come out. I just wonder if there will be a time in this DLC when she lashes out angrily at Shepard? (she won't mean it and will feel bad about it, of course) And no...this has nothing to do with 'cheating'.

I can definitely see that coming, in fact I'm kind of hoping for strong emotional outbursts, if Liara's calm as a cow throughout LotSB I for one will be very disappointed in the writing.

The only time she does that in base game is when you ask about helping her, and then say you don't have time for that. And even then she quickly takes back her words and says you're right (even though her reaction totally makes sense in context). She seems to respect Shepard too much to contradict her in any way. In fact, the only other time I remember any squadmate expressing clear disapproval of Shepard's actions was in the beginning of Tali's trial, when you choose non-intimidate renegade option. And even then it's kinda mild. Mass Effect isn't big on negative feedback to any of your actions, even if some of them could use some of it.

So no, I doubt she'd be spontaneously lashing out. I suppose she could express some passive anger if you try to talk about her plans though (sorta like Garrus is skeptical about your disapproval of that whole Sidonis thing).

Modifié par tmk, 25 août 2010 - 03:44 .

[jlb524]

Oh you might be right...Liara wouldn't just spontaneously lash out at Shepard for no reason. But if provoked (Shepard says something idiotic) I could see her doing this, but possibly regretting it a moment later. I do believe she quickly apologizes to Shepard for her outburst in ME2 (if you refuse her request to help her by hacking terminals).

[Stormy-B]

tmk wrote...
The only time she does that in base game is when you ask about helping her, and then say you don't have time for that. And even then she quickly takes back her words and says you're right (even though her reaction totally makes sense in context). She seems to respect Shepard too much to contradict her in any way. In fact, the only other time I remember any squadmate expressing clear disapproval of Shepard's actions was in the beginning of Tali's trial, when you choose non-intimidate renegade option. And even then it's kinda mild. Mass Effect isn't big on negative feedback to any of your actions, even if some of them could use some of it.

So no, I doubt she'd be spontaneously lashing out. I suppose she could express some passive anger if you try to talk about her plans though (sorta like Garrus is skeptical about your disapproval of that whole Sidonis thing).

Blast! Your probably right but I hope not. I wanted some really tough emotional bits in there... Oh well, as long as it's good otherwise I'll be happy anyway. At least it's here soon.

[Marcin K]

hey all

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Stormy-B wrote...

I can definitely see that coming, in fact I'm kind of hoping for strong emotional outbursts, if Liara's calm as a cow throughout LotSB I for one will be very disappointed in the writing.

I certainly hope she doesnt start berserking Redemption style, but I cant imagine when you start getting close to finding the SB or when you finally confront him she wont be seething somewhat.

It would be nice to question her on exactly why shes so angry. Yeah, I know weve had trying to sell Shepard and kidnapping Feron, but Liara has an extremely weird way of focusing that anger.

The collectors killed Shepard, and she doesnt care about that. She only cares about the SB trying to sell him to them.

Also, Feron and Liara were friends yes, but only for a short time, and following berayal after betrayal and lies.

Honestly, unless they can conjure up some magic writing in this, I think using the comic for the basis of so much of Liaras character was a mistake. I just dont think it was long enough or in depth enough to give a worthy justification.

[Erinlana]

Hey dudes & Dudettes *hugs* ^__^

[IndigoWolfe]

Hello, Erin.

[IndigoWolfe]

Hmm, I'm awake again and this new Liara DLC information wasn't all a dream. I think this warrants some roflwaffles for breakfast!

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 25 août 2010 - 12:54 .

[Marcin K]

Erinlana wrote...

Hey dudes & Dudettes *hugs* ^__^

hey here too Erin=]

[IndigoWolfe]

Hmm, one user we haven't seen around in a long while; ShadowCat. Anyone know what he's up to?

[Marcin K]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Hmm, one user we haven't seen around in a long while; ShadowCat. Anyone know what he's up to?

idk, maybe plotting in conspiracy against BW:bandit:?

[IndigoWolfe]

Marcin R wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Hmm, one user we haven't seen around in a long while; ShadowCat. Anyone know what he's up to?

idk, maybe plotting in conspiracy against BW:bandit:?

No, WilliamShatner and Nozybidaj already have that covered. Speaking of Nozy, he haven't seen him either. And he said he'd be coming back around the time there was Liara DLC.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Funny some would mention that, I personally let Garrus kill Sedonis. I figured it was unfinished business between him and the Turian Rouge.



Sometimes Shepard pokes his nose in places he should otherwise leave alone.

[IndigoWolfe]

Wut?

[Nerevar-as]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Stormy-B wrote...

I can definitely see that coming, in fact I'm kind of hoping for strong emotional outbursts, if Liara's calm as a cow throughout LotSB I for one will be very disappointed in the writing.

I certainly hope she doesnt start berserking Redemption style, but I cant imagine when you start getting close to finding the SB or when you finally confront him she wont be seething somewhat.

It would be nice to question her on exactly why shes so angry. Yeah, I know weve had trying to sell Shepard and kidnapping Feron, but Liara has an extremely weird way of focusing that anger.

The collectors killed Shepard, and she doesnt care about that. She only cares about the SB trying to sell him to them.

Also, Feron and Liara were friends yes, but only for a short time, and following berayal after betrayal and lies.

Honestly, unless they can conjure up some magic writing in this, I think using the comic for the basis of so much of Liaras character was a mistake. I just dont think it was long enough or in depth enough to give a worthy justification.

I would say Liara leaving Shepard´s body with Cerberus without even assurance that s/he could be brought back is what put her over the edge, and she obsessed with a target she actually had some chance of hitting.

I´m not really holding my breath for the writng of this DLC. Walters didn´t do much of a good job neither in game nor in the comic. Getting a better image of Liara´s mental state and the reason SB didn´t just kill her is really necessary, but I´m not counting really on it.

Off Liara, but is there anybody else who doesn´t want the rumored Biotic upgrade? When I got the hang of it I´m unstopable in Insanity. While they feel nerfed down from ME1, back then they were game breakers.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I would say Liara leaving Shepard´s body with Cerberus without even assurance that s/he could be brought back is what put her over the edge, and she obsessed with a target she actually had some chance of hitting.

I´m not really holding my breath for the writng of this DLC. Walters didn´t do much of a good job neither in game nor in the comic. Getting a better image of Liara´s mental state and the reason SB didn´t just kill her is really necessary, but I´m not counting really on it.

I dont know, I just think, like I said, the medium wasnt good enough to support Liaras backstory so far. I mean lets face it, weve had a cash grab comic that had to put a large emphasis on comic action rather than lots of in depth dialogue, and also a cameo role that I for one agree with those who say it was deliberately designed to be as disappointing as possible. Either that, or they simply were too lazy and uninterested to care otherwise.

Still, this DLC (and with any luck a squadmate role in ME3) might give us a better idea of just what they are capable of in terms of writing, because so far this is, since ME1, the first chance they have had to fully start writing something worthwhile for Liara. I mean, by luck more than anything else I managed to predict what we were getting in ME2 was an "excuse" as opposed to a full on cameo that took a lot of effort and resources to pull off. Now we get to see what happens when they have the devs full attention again.

Also, I keep saying this but I dont like blaming one person. I never attributed past Bioware games successes to one person, so I dont like the idea of trying to pin it on one person now that theyve made a game I dislike.

Nerevar-as wrote...
Off Liara, but is there anybody else who doesn´t want the rumored Biotic upgrade? When I got the hang of it I´m unstopable in Insanity. While they feel nerfed down from ME1, back then they were game breakers.

Im looking forward to it, a lot. None of the power classes in ME2 are very good really, since its mainly involving debuff spam and overpowered finishing moves, but sentinel and enginer have a bit of variety. I got sick of the adept and its "spam warp and then physics/physics-combo finish them".

Its a mixture of whats to blame really - is it the stupid rock, paper, scissors system where shields and armour idiotically negate biotics? Or is it the powers themselves?

Regardless, like with the game layout and pacing, Im hoping to see some good signs from this DLC. Kasumi and Overlord didnt blow my mind, but I still enjoyed them for their ability to offer something other than basic shooting galleries. I hope LOTSB continues this trend of promising DLC where its not just "take cover and methodically kill off the enemy" with only short stops for brief dialogues making up 90% of all missions.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 25 août 2010 - 02:07 .

[kraidy1117]

Why do people always blame Walters for what happen? You have to blame three people. Drew, Walters and Miller. You can't blame one person and not blame the others.

[IndigoWolfe]

Kraidy... have you regained your mind yet?

[kraidy1117]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Kraidy... have you regained your mind yet?

Huh?

[jlb524]

kraidy



You have forgotten that this is the Walters hate club



I am hopeful that since this DLC is ME3 story bridging content that the SB will be tied to the Reapers somehow. I know we discussed this possibility ad nauseam but the comment by Gamble gives me hope.

[Nerevar-as]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Why do people always blame Walters for what happen? You have to blame three people. Drew, Walters and Miller. You can't blame one person and not blame the others.

Co-written by Walters and Miller. I´ve read the Kotor comics by Miller and really enjoyed them, and added quite a bit to the game backstory despite going in its own story. On the other side, Walters was game writer and the Liara part was quite bad, even if intentional. Maybe Miller is more responsible (and Feron at times is a much less charismatic expy of a character from Kotor), but data points more towards Walters.

[kraidy1117]

Nerevar-as wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Why do people always blame Walters for what happen? You have to blame three people. Drew, Walters and Miller. You can't blame one person and not blame the others.

Co-written by Walters and Miller. I´ve read the Kotor comics by Miller and really enjoyed them, and added quite a bit to the game backstory despite going in its own story. On the other side, Walters was game writer and the Liara part was quite bad, even if intentional. Maybe Miller is more responsible (and Feron at times is a much less charismatic expy of a character from Kotor), but data points more towards Walters.

Miller wrote the script. Walters wrote the out-line. The script sucked in the comic, the story was decent. So yes it was Millers fault. Three people screwed Liara, the thing is, Walters is a good writer and if he puts his heart into liara in this DLC and into the main story of ME3, it will be amazing, this is the same guy wh wrote Wrex, Aria, re-wrote TIM, did alot of the Krogan lore and has been on the team since the start.

[jlb524]

Liara's characterization in the comic is terrible, though. It's not bad in ME2 (IMO) but the comic? Ick. I still have hopes for LotSB though.

[Nerevar-as]

I don´t think the story was decent, only new thing in 4 issues was Feron´s name. And I found Liara Ok in the comic, she´s on edge and it shows. Well, except the Bond One Liners. Those were really bad. I had more trouble with the art, the style made her body language and expressions too overacted.