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[Nerevar-as]

jlb524 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

The asari are products of the Reapers. In ME3, You will find out asari evolved a lot like humans did. The reapers  secretly gave the asari the ability to collect genetic material mentally and gave them a large sexual appetite so they could collect this material quicker.

You can see the similarities in the asari tentacles and the arms on Harbinger, as both are swooped at the ends.  Sovereign was different. If you can remember, he had arms that looked very similar to a turian's head, and you'd also remember he himself had indoctrinated a turian to do his dirty work.

Asari will either be Collectors 2.0 or will all be indoctrinated by Harbinger, we haven't decided yet.

Get ready, Liara fans, as this is the "secret" we were talking about.

This is some guy pretending to be a Bioware developer.  Let's discuss how silly this would be.

That can't be legit.  Ridiculous. 

Asari being an artificial species is not a new theory. They are a bit
out of place biologically speaking in the ME universe, which usually
doesn´t go over the top.

[jlb524]

Is this the same 'BW Dev' that posted on 4Chan about the Liara DLC in March?

Hmm...never noticed any similarities between asari head dealies and Harbinger. 

Modifié par jlb524, 25 août 2010 - 08:24 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Lizardviking wrote...

Ha ha! Thanks for the laugh York!

Althrough there's been some theory (althrough I don't believe it's likely) that the Asari are an "artifical" race.

Thats more likely to fall at the humans feet, and their stupid "diverse genetic background".

As for that so called "dev", the idiot should know that no genetic information is collected by the asari. They are a genetically weak species, randomising the same information over and over. An asari esentially clones herself when she has a child, if not for a bit of variation in the melding process, since everything the daughter gets comes from the mother alone.

The idea of them somehow "collecting" genetic material is complete garbage when the game and codex rule this out completely, citing it as a reason for asari claims that daughters inherit traits being false.

[Yeled]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Don't worry, you're not a bandwagon jumper. Over the past few months, it's become increasingly depressed and dejected around here. Were you around when Redemption #4 was released? I'd say that day was the absolute nadir for my fellow Liara fans. The entire thread went into meltdown, and for all the wrong reasons. It's good to have you back, though. Many of the old posters have now left, sadly enough. I'm expecting alot of them to return once the DLC has been released.

I was around for Redemtion #4, yes.  That was pretty bad.  I think I started coming less often after the Kasumi release, when I realized any positive news would be a long time coming.

Speaking of your Shepards, are you referring to the one that you created in ME1 following ME2's release? The playthrough in which you began to really appreciate the characters of both Ashley and Kaidan? I remember you mentioning something like that.

Yes, you have a good memory.  I realized how down-to-earth Ash and Kaiden were compared to the newer characters in ME2, and how logical it was for them to be fighting at your side.  They were human marines, and each of them told an important part of the human experience in the Mass Effect world.

It wasn't only Ashley and Kaiden, though.  Replaying ME1 made me see how beautifully crafted the ME setting was.  The galaxy was a character unto itself; a wonderous place with an ancient history into which humans had only recently thrust themselves. 

That's why Ash and Kaiden were so important, and so well done (even if Kaiden does think my femshep is hitting on him simply because she's not a total **** to him).  The story of ME1 was very much humans versus the galaxy.  That was the main theme of the game, and everything in the story, including every major decision you made, hinged on that.

Where I feel ME2 ultimately failed was not, in fact, in how they handled Liara (though I was most disappointed by how they handled Liara), but rather in how they lost the theme and mood that I felt was essential to the ME setting.  The LotSB will go a long way in repairing the Liara issue, or at least I hope it will.  But unfortunately it will do nothing to repair the damage they did to the setting itself.

Btw, why does it look like half the text on the Bioware forums are in Greek-like characters?  Or is that just me?

[jlb524]

Though, the human Reaper thing was kind of ridiculous too, IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. I doubt a dev would leak this though.



There is no precedence of the Reapers creating new races either, but merely re-purposing them.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Ha ha! Thanks for the laugh York!

Althrough there's been some theory (althrough I don't believe it's likely) that the Asari are an "artifical" race.

Thats more likely to fall at the humans feet, and their stupid "diverse genetic background".

No thanks!

Even ME1 spread the whole "Humans are special" thing way too thick on everything for my taste. ME2 just took it one step further.

[TMA LIVE]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Ha ha! Thanks for the laugh York!

Althrough there's been some theory (althrough I don't believe it's likely) that the Asari are an "artifical" race.

Thats more likely to fall at the humans feet, and their stupid "diverse genetic background".

As for that so called "dev", the idiot should know that no genetic information is collected by the asari. They are a genetically weak species, randomising the same information over and over. An asari esentially clones herself when she has a child, if not for a bit of variation in the melding process, since everything the daughter gets comes from the mother alone.

The idea of them somehow "collecting" genetic material is complete garbage when the game and codex rule this out completely, citing it as a reason for asari claims that daughters inherit traits being false.

....does that mean Liara is just a clone of her mother in a way?

Also, where's most of this from anyways? I'm writing a ME Talk Radio episode on Asari.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

yorkj86 wrote...

Retribution mentions that during conception, asari retrieve traits from the "father" and pass them on to the zygote, but that was from Grayson's perspective, and if it is, it could just be him recalling false information, as most people misunderstand asari reproduction.

I didnt know that, but it doesnt matter, since the game offers a conflicting view multiple times outright stating it.

If Retribution is true, then Biowares setting is garbage anyway, because that kind of biological procedure would fundamentally prove asari claims that they inherit traits as true, as opposed to simply "anecdotal".

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

TMA LIVE wrote...

....does that mean Liara is just a clone of her mother in a way?

Also, where's most of this from anyways? I'm writing a ME Talk Radio episode on Asari.

Maybe with asari pairings the melding has more of an effect on the child because the asari share much the same genetic information, so melding asari genetic information to match another asari has more of an effect. I cant see any way that melding asari genes on that of a genetically incompatible species would do anything.

Either way, the idea of seeing entire races indoctrinated or turned into another collector asspull is stupid.

ME3 will be about saving the established races, not destroying them because "ping, we decided the entire race got indoctrinated and now has to die".

Besides, Vigil outlines what happens with the protheans. Such an act is impossible for the reapers, since they actually have to methodically indoctrinate and exterminate races, not just *poof*, youre all under our sway.

And maybe this idiot should also remember the reapers plans are shot to hell as it is, and they operate entirely on well executed plans with lots of information.

Its clearly just some idiot trying to look clever. I mean its 4chan for christs sake. It makes this place look classy.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 25 août 2010 - 08:40 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

yorkj86 wrote...

It's nothing new, it's just restating what Liara says, along with what's stated in the Codex in ME1 about asari reproduction.  In ME2, that one asari states that most people misunderstand asari reproduction.  Either Grayson is mistaken, or Retribution is supposed to retcon a retcon.

No, Liara claims that asari inherit racial traits from the father species, but she also claims asari promiscuity is "misinformation", when its a fairly common thing, so she is obviously biased and injecting her own views into her explanations.

The ME1 codex pretty much completely rules out any transfer of genetic information.

I dont see where it leaves any room for confusion, let alone a retcon, since the asari on Illium says it plainly: no genetic information is taken, they merely use their partner to randomise their own genetic information they provide their daughters.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

yorkj86 wrote...

I try to avoid talking about asari genetics. It just leads to headaches. I say that, in conceiving a child, an asari passes on two sets of genetic information, one containing an exact map of her own genetics, and the other either containing a randomized version of the first, or containing some kind of signal that causes the first to randomize itself. The randomization is usually enough to prevent the kind of genetic defects that occur from inbreeding and breeding within a restricted gene-pool. If the mother carries (not expresses) the AY gene, it must get passed on, despite any randomization.

You see, thats pretty much it, word for word.

Asari provides two sets, one her own unchanged, one randomised in the melding process. The only thing the partner provides is enabling the asari to randomise the second set.

It always surprises me that it causes confusion. Sure, its a pretty goofy sci-fi idea, but its been clarified to the letter many times now by the game.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 25 août 2010 - 08:53 .

[Yeled]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Try changing the language to Greek, and then reverting to English. That should solve the problem.

I would do that if I could read the text and drop down menus to figure out where the language option is located. 

[IndigoWolfe]

Reading this "leak", and I must say; it's good for a good laugh, and that's about it.

In other news, now that I'm finally done with my "Sarah Shepard" artwork, maybe I should think about doing Liara "Baptiste" T'soni.

Kudos to whoever places the reference first.

[Yeled]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeled wrote...

I would do that if I could read the text and drop down menus to figure out where the language option is located. 

Okay, I think I've figured it out!

In the menu to the left, select the second option, which is "Profile" in English. From the menu that then expands from that, again select the second option, which is "Edit Profile Information" in English. You'll then be taken to a new page that is used to edit certain profile and account settings. At the bottom of this page, the ability to alter the site's language setting should be present. Give it a try!

Yay!  That worked.  For some reason my settings had changed to pyccknn (except the n's were backward, uppercase, and there was a tilde over the second one).  No idea what language that is.

Anyway, thanks!

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

So yeah, Liara DLC. I'm still struggling to believe that it's finally (almost) here!

It will be here in 12 days.... soon.  It seems like we've been waiting for months (well, we have been).

I hope you don't lose it by then

[WilliamShatner]

Why are BioWare trying to divide their market by releasing a Morrigan DLC on the same day???



Are they trying to get Liara DLC poor sales to say "We told you so. No more Liara!"