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Yeled wrote...
Yay!  That worked.  For some reason my settings had changed to pyccknn (except the n's were backward, uppercase, and there was a tilde over the second one).  No idea what language that is.

That would be Russian :D

jlb524 wrote...
It will be here in 12 days.... soon.  It seems like we've been waiting for months (well, we have been).


To be honest, if that's what Gamble meant by "not very long at all", I question his judgement :? It's just about slightly shorter than forever...

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jlb524 wrote...
It will be here in 12 days.... soon.  It seems like we've been waiting for months (well, we have been).

I hope you don't lose it by then :P


That's the problem...I may be devoid of any semblance of my sanity by the time the DLC is released...I am that excited!!! I can't wait!!!

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Why are BioWare trying to divide their market by releasing a Morrigan DLC on the same day???

Are they trying to get Liara DLC poor sales to say "We told you so. No more Liara!"


I don't think there's so much overlap between Liara and Morrigan  fanbases that the latter would eclipse the former. I haven't even played Dragon Age personally (though I'm thinking it could be worth it). And if anything, people who are fans of both are probably going to buy both.

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
 I cant see any way that melding asari genes on that of a genetically incompatible species would do anything.



Dna is just information. Just imagine asari melding translate some genes of the "father" into the asari dna.
Like an "if when"
clause is possible in more then one program language. So in this way it could be possible to get some inherits from the
"father" through melding. To be honest,i cant see why so many other species would choose the asari as partners anyway if not even the child has something in common with the partner that the partner could be aware of.
The game isnt clear about this.The asari with the krogan means,there is nothing,only radomizing, two other asaris near erinya talk about that the character of one is that way because the father was a batarian.

Could be just something that their science cant answer yet.( so not necessarily a retcon)

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WilliamShatner wrote...

Why are BioWare trying to divide their market by releasing a Morrigan DLC on the same day???

Are they trying to get Liara DLC poor sales to say "We told you so. No more Liara!"


Now you are just paronoid for the sake of it. Why would Bioware hurt their own sales just to prove a point about some character?

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Lizardviking wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Why are BioWare trying to divide their market by releasing a Morrigan DLC on the same day???

Are they trying to get Liara DLC poor sales to say "We told you so. No more Liara!"


Now you are just paronoid for the sake of it. Why would Bioware hurt their own sales just to prove a point about some character?


Well very little of what BioWare has done recently has made any sense, do I figured they've lost their marbles somewhat.

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yorkj86 wrote...

If the book is confirming this, though, then this "dev"'s information is a little more believable.


What was written seems stupid,but remember,protheans were an humanoid race and now they are four,eyed bugs.
After i read the first spoilers about it,i also thought,that must be garbage.I was wrong.

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I will play both on the 7th (LotSB first, of course). Most people I know are doing the same. I really don't think this DLC will sell poorly b/c of the Morrigan one being released.

Modifié par jlb524, 25 août 2010 - 10:30 .


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I gather most Liara fans are primarily Leliana fans, though it's just an impression. I'm an Alistair girl myself.

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I'm logging off now!



Good night everyone!

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Do we have a file size for LotSB yet?

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WilliamShatner wrote...

Why are BioWare trying to divide their market by releasing a Morrigan DLC on the same day???

Are they trying to get Liara DLC poor sales to say "We told you so. No more Liara!"

People may not want to reload on points for one purchase. It gives more incentive to bundle things into one release as people are lazy.
The world is a terrible place.

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yorkj86 wrote...

I think what confuses people about asari reproduction is the wording of the Codex, regarding the act of melding.  "During melding, an asari consciously attunes her nervous system to her partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through the skin."  Knowing this, people don't understand why an asari would need a partner to conceive a child.  Because they can't understand (or don't accept why) that asari don't need a partner, it leads them to think that the partner must contribute something during the act.


The Codex is in-universe information, so it is not reliable, same as in DA. Don´t get why you can accept asari can reproduce through mind meld, but not that they take traits from the father species (or should it be individual?).

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tonnactus wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
 I cant see any way that melding asari genes on that of a genetically incompatible species would do anything.



Dna is just information. Just imagine asari melding translate some genes of the "father" into the asari dna.
Like an "if when"
clause is possible in more then one program language. So in this way it could be possible to get some inherits from the
"father" through melding. To be honest,i cant see why so many other species would choose the asari as partners anyway if not even the child has something in common with the partner that the partner could be aware of.
The game isnt clear about this.The asari with the krogan means,there is nothing,only radomizing, two other asaris near erinya talk about that the character of one is that way because the father was a batarian.

Could be just something that their science cant answer yet.( so not necessarily a retcon)


I didn't read in to it that way at all.  I think she she was making an off-color, nearly-racist comment acknowledging the way certain species have personality stereotypes associated with them, such as batarians and aggressiveness.  She knew her friend's "father" is a batarian, and her friend is acting like a batarian, so it must be because of genetics (false), and not simply due to how her father raised her, which is far more likely.  Not all batarians are aggressive, but a batarian can be aggressive, and apparently this one's father is/was.

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Nerevar-as wrote...


The Codex is in-universe information, so it is not reliable, same as in DA. Don´t get why you can accept asari can reproduce through mind meld, but not that they take traits from the father species (or should it be individual?).

Individual.The best characteristics of the father.

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Nerevar-as wrote...

The Codex is in-universe information, so it is not reliable, same as in DA. Don´t get why you can accept asari can reproduce through mind meld, but not that they take traits from the father species (or should it be individual?).


It seems to conflict with the notion of the process being a randomization of the "mother"'s genes, as the "father"'s genes have no role.  The "father"'s presence is necessary for the process to take place, but it doesn't actually contribute anything.  It may conflict with what we're told by that one asari on Illium, the one with the krogan suitor.

Also, some people may read "asexual" and run with their interpretation.

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So I just saw the news . I'm late to the party .

On the one hand the prospect of seeing Liara again makes me happy but I hope the price is worth it .

It's funny to see the whole forums waiting for Liara . No wait, it's quite disturbing actually...

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tonnactus wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...


The Codex is in-universe information, so it is not reliable, same as in DA. Don´t get why you can accept asari can reproduce through mind meld, but not that they take traits from the father species (or should it be individual?).

Individual.The best characteristics of the father.

Shepard + Liara = over 9000 in badassery.

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yorkj86 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

The Codex is in-universe information, so it is not reliable, same as in DA. Don´t get why you can accept asari can reproduce through mind meld, but not that they take traits from the father species (or should it be individual?).


It seems to conflict with the notion of the process being a randomization of the "mother"'s genes, as the "father"'s genes have no role.  The "father"'s presence is necessary for the process to take place, but it doesn't actually contribute anything.  It may conflict with what we're told by that one asari on Illium, the one with the krogan suitor.

Also, some people may read "asexual" and run with their interpretation.


Then the whole 'pureblood' stigma is kind of...pointless.

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yorkj86 wrote...



I didn't read in to it that way at all.  I think she she was making an off-color, nearly-racist comment acknowledging the way certain species have personality stereotypes associated with them, such as batarians and aggressiveness.  She knew her friend's "father" is a batarian, and her friend is acting like a batarian, so it must be because of genetics (false), and not simply due to how her father raised her, which is far more likely. 

 
There are just different oppinions about it and that melding didnt do more then radomizing could be just a wrong
science doctrine.
And raising isnt more important then genes.Its the opposite.

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jtav wrote...

I gather most Liara fans are primarily Leliana fans, though it's just an impression. I'm an Alistair girl myself.


Hmmm..I liked both Leliana and Morrigan.  Morrigan's character more but Leliana's romance more.

Though, I'm now playing through Morrigan's romance as we speak...we shall see if that holds up :wizard: 

jtav wrote...

Do we have a file size for LotSB yet?


Nope.

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jlb524 wrote...


Then the whole 'pureblood' stigma is kind of...pointless.

Thats right.When the asari only need another partner,then why its a problem when the "father" is an asari.The genes
would be still randomized. But the fact that asari purebloods have a higher chance to have ardat yakshi daughters
contradicts this completly.

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The asari arguing on Illium bringing up the batarian father is no different to aethyta bringing up her krogan father. They assume transfer of traits, when its simply their upbringing. I imagine much like Aethyta this asari was brought up with her father, and as children do, they picked up traits by learning. Aethyta gets her mouth from listening to her father, and I imagine the asari in the argument may have picked up her callous attitude from her father, or simply its her own personality quirk, and her friend was being racist.



Either way, the codex flat out states that there is no real evidence to support the transfer of the "best" traits from the father, or any traits at all. Its simply asari saying this, and since the asari are a very arrogant species (their religion places themselves as sort of "unifiers of the galaxy" simply due to their species method of reproduction) its not surprising.

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tonnactus wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...



I didn't read in to it that way at all.  I think she she was making an off-color, nearly-racist comment acknowledging the way certain species have personality stereotypes associated with them, such as batarians and aggressiveness.  She knew her friend's "father" is a batarian, and her friend is acting like a batarian, so it must be because of genetics (false), and not simply due to how her father raised her, which is far more likely. 

 
There are just different oppinions about it and that melding didnt do more then radomizing could be just a wrong
science doctrine.
And raising isnt more important then genes.Its the opposite.


You'd have to show that aggressiveness is a heritable trait for the batarians.  Otherwise, it'd be just a matter of culture, and/or parenting.  Then, you'd have to show that traits are passed on during asari reproduction.  If we can agree that the process is highly mysterious, and not even the asari are certain how it works, I'd be glad to stop discussing it.  I'd like that, because we're about to get in to the nature vs. nurture debate, which, itself, has yet to be settled...

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...


Either way, the codex flat out states that there is no real evidence to support the transfer of the "best" traits from the father, or any traits at all. Its simply asari saying this, and since the asari are a very arrogant species (their religion places themselves as sort of "unifiers of the galaxy" simply due to their species method of reproduction) its not surprising.


Well,like one poster above me wrote,the codex is just in universe information(could be a false science doctrine),and on the other hand,pureblood asari have a higher chance to have ardat yakshi daughters(samara told that). If the only role the partner has is to ramdomize dna,why does
it matter if the other partner is an asari or not
? This doesnt fit completly.

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