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[FiveThreeTen]

jlb524 wrote...

yorkj86
Then the whole 'pureblood' stigma is kind of...pointless.

Thats right.When the asari only need another partner,then why its a problem when the "father" is an asari.The genes
would be still randomized. But the fact that asari purebloods have a higher chance to have ardat yakshi daughters
contradicts this completly.

I have a theory : Bioware messed up the Asari reproduction in Me2 . I was very intrigued the first time Samara told the player about her daughter stigma . But now I see it more as an excuse to risk dangerous mind sex on her loyalty mission because you know it's "cool" and edgy . Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the mission, it was a nice change of pace and the emotional torment which Samara was experiencing was very moving but it just doesn't make sense because with the information we were provided in the codex .

Or I really missed a thing .

Modifié par FiveThreeTen, 25 août 2010 - 11:04 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

tonnactus wrote...

Well,like one poster above me wrote,the codex is just in universe information(could be a false science doctrine),and on the other hand,pureblood asari have a higher chance to have ardat yakshi daughters. If the only role the partner has is to ramdomize dna,why does
it matter if the other partner is an asari or not? This doesnt fit completly.

It does not matter if the partner is asari or not.

Yes, Ardat Yakshi are formed only from pureblood pairings, but a lot of genetic human disorders come from our natural reproduction. Does that make it bad?

Asari melding outside of their race is a cultural issue, not a genetic one. Otherwise, why did the asari have so little problems for ALL of their history?

Remember, though its a long time for other races, the asari have only been traveling the galaxy for a few of their generations. The idea that "purebloods" will die out is a pathetic cultural stigma created by the asari.

Quite frankly, I dont know what Bioware were thinking when they wrote that. Its such a stupid issue and is barely able to be supported by the rest of the facts they created.

[jlb524]

I think BW doesn't understand it, tbh.

[tonnactus]

yorkj86 wrote...


If it's a prejudice, it can have little basis in fact, and therefore not be a fact.

I doubt that someone like samara couldnt tell prejudice from facts.She is the one that told shepardt that purebloods tend to have ardat
yakhsi daughters.

I would like that.  "It has...weight."  It'd be an imperfection of the species and a social flaw.  After all, during ME2, Bioware went out of their way to make the asari seem less-than-perfect, to counter the cries that they're the Mary-Sue species.

We had an asari slaver in Mass Effect and a ruthless diplomat...
And alestia iallis that just call the human a rude and undeveloped species.Ore the one that wants you to spie.Mass Effect 2 wasnt necessary for this.

[FiveThreeTen]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Well,like one poster above me wrote,the codex is just in universe information(could be a false science doctrine),and on the other hand,pureblood asari have a higher chance to have ardat yakshi daughters. If the only role the partner has is to ramdomize dna,why does
it matter if the other partner is an asari or not? This doesnt fit completly.

It does not matter if the partner is asari or not.

Yes, Ardat Yakshi are formed only from pureblood pairings, but a lot of genetic human disorders come from our natural reproduction. Does that make it bad?

Asari melding outside of their race is a cultural issue, not a genetic one. Otherwise, why did the asari have so little problems for ALL of their history?

Remember, though its a long time for other races, the asari have only been traveling the galaxy for a few of their generations. The idea that "purebloods" will die out is a pathetic cultural stigma created by the asari.

Quite frankly, I dont know what Bioware were thinking when they wrote that. Its such a stupid issue and is barely able to be supported by the rest of the facts they created.

Like you said, this stigma is a cultural thing . It is even stated that Ardat-Yakshi were revered as deity in some Asari cultures, now they are feared . So yes, cultural relativism over a biological occurrence...that would be a sort of explanation...
Assuming we could make one with the messed up informations Bioware gave us .

Modifié par FiveThreeTen, 25 août 2010 - 11:11 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

To be honest, Id prefer it if ardat yakshis were only born to "purebloods" because only "pureblood" relations create genetic mutations in asari, good or bad. An asari pairing with another species which the asari believe is so benefictial for cultural reasons rather than biological (like I said, its the backbone of their most prominent religion) doesnt produce any mutations, beneficial or detrimental.



And Samara suggets the stigma towards purebloods perhaps comes from them only producing ardat-yakshi, as opposed to the erroneous belief that purebloods are inferior.



Like I said, I imagine for about 99% of the time the asari have existed, they have done fine simply naturally reproducing which eachother, as they are meant to do.

[tonnactus]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...


It does not matter if the partner is asari or not.

Yes, Ardat Yakshi are formed only from pureblood pairings, but a lot of genetic human disorders come from our natural reproduction. Does that make it bad?

You seem to contradict yourself. Why an alien partner seems to provide that the daughters get this desease when it didnt matter what race the partner have?? Or did i misunderstood something?

Fact seems to be that having an alien partner provide the deseases that a pureblood pairing could have and that only make sense if the role isnt a pure randomizer. Even erinya stated that without a alien partner randomization didnt happen. But a little radiation would do it.

Asari melding outside of their race is a cultural issue, not a genetic one. Otherwise, why did the asari have so little problems for ALL of their history?

Ardat yakhi are not necessarily a big problem.But it is a problem that could be easily avoided with an alien partner.

[tonnactus]

yorkj86 wrote...


Or, Samara, like so many other asari, has had prejudice impressed upon her as fact.  .

If purebloods have a higher chance to get ardat yakhsi or not is something that could be easily prooved/disprooved by a statistic
study. Samara just isnt someone that easily believe such rumors without a reason in my view.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

tonnactus wrote...

You seem to contradict yourself. Why an alien partner seems to provide that the daughters get this desease when it didnt matter what race the partner have?? Or did i misunderstood something?

Fact seems to be that having an alien partner provide the deseases that a pureblood pairing could have and that only make sense if the role isnt a pure randomizer. Even erinya stated that without a alien partner randomization didnt happen. But a little radiation would do it.

Erinya was a grief stricken bigot. She also spouted her racist interpretations of history, so her views are tainted.

The issues are that asari have been melding with eachother for millenia, way before the council was formed and the asari encountered other species. And even then, do you think their first thought was to meld with the salarians (who should mostly not be interested in such an offer)?

The other thing is that ardat yakshi are rare.

The whole "pureblood" issue is a cultural construct, not a biological one. If it were biological, the asari would have died out long ago, but instead they flourished just fine with their "dirty" method of mating with members of their own species (imagine!)

tonnactus wrote...
Ardat yakhi are not necessarily a big problem.But it is a problem that could be easily avoided with an alien partner.

Ardat Yakshis are probably far less common than many congenital disorders. It is hardly a problem, its more a legend. Samara will also tell you there are many areas of asari space untouched by the rest of the galaxy? Who do you suppose these asari meld with? Mail order aliens?

It is not a problem for asari to reporduce with one another. It is their natural way, that has served for presumably hundreds of millenia (unless asari developed insanely quickly as well as being so long lived).

[tonnactus]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

To be honest, Id prefer it if ardat yakshis were only born to "purebloods" because only "pureblood" relations create genetic mutations in asari, good or bad.

But morinth is basicly a 99 percent clone of her mother,even had the same look.But that could be because writers and designers
just wanted to save some costs.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

yorkj86 wrote...

It's not all Pureblood pairings, or there would be far more than "1%" of asari existing "on the AY spectrum".  It likely has to do with being passed on by a "mother" who carries the AY gene.  It may skip generations, and/or its expression may be triggered by something we don't know about, when an asari "mother" randomizes her own genes.  It may be why all of Samara's children are Ardat-Yakshi, but Liara is not.

EDIT: There is a third option, that, for some reason, the only asari in the entire galaxy in Pureblood pairings are ones that are known about by Shepard.

I know, sorry, I wasnt representing that part of my argument very well. Thats why I compared it to the genetic disorders we know today. Never the less, Samara says only "purebloods" like herself can give birth to ardat yakshi, and that its possibly why they are frowned on (strange, considering the amount of asari who seem to think them simply myth).

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

tonnactus wrote...

But morinth is basicly a 99 percent clone of her mother,even had the same look.But that could be because writers and designers
just wanted to save some costs.

Possibly. She does have to be Samaras doppelganger after all. Its probably a mixture of both. Asari are made up solely from the genetic material their mothers provide as we said earlier, so a strong resemblence like that has a good reason.

[Captain Iglo]

jtav wrote...

Do we have a file size for LotSB yet?

well Overlord is 1 gig...so I assume we probably get a 1,5 to 2,5 gig size

[Keith Mattingly]

Well when Shepard hooks up with Liara, there will never be an ardact-yakshi daughter to have, because as said, ardact-yakshi are daughters of two pure blood asari, Shepard and Liara's daughter will be a normal asari with genetic make-up like the average asari would.

[tonnactus]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...


Erinya was a grief stricken bigot.

But she know her science.(medic). History is another thing,and mostly because her daughters died in the attack of the citadel.

The issues are that asari have been melding with eachother for millenia, way before the council was formed and the asari encountered other species. And even then, do you think their first thought was to meld with the salarians (who should mostly not be interested in such an offer)?

Salarians were and are interested.First,most of their males not even get a chance to got kids with salarian females.(genetic quality is only average like one salarian on illium mentioned who wanted to work for eclipse) Then,even someone like mordin stated that he got "horny"
when asaris are around him.Or just remember the dialogue with the human,the turian and the salarian in the bar.
"We salarians not even had a sex drive.Is it hot there??"
So,some centuries ago,such pairing happen and it seems to be beneficial.

The whole "pureblood" issue is a cultural construct, not a biological one.

Its impossible to divide one thing from another. How do you thing this cultural construct got created?(or other cultural constructs by the way) Some asari elites decided  that pureblood pairing is wrong and then most other asari follow this without even question that? The asari seems to very liberal society,even allowing drugs,so if a cultural construct like this got created there had to be good reasons for it.Some obviuos advantages.

[tonnactus]

yorkj86 wrote...


Purebloods who carry the AY gene.  I believe that Samara says that an asari "mother" can have an AY+ child with a non-asari "father", but that the chance is drastically reduced. 

But thats the thing.If an alien partner reduces this chance,what didnt happen with an asari partner,then this prooves that the melding means more then just randomizing.
Because why this big difference even exists with an alien partner??
So if samara is telling  the truth,melding means far more then just radomizing.

Modifié par tonnactus, 25 août 2010 - 11:42 .

[Captain Iglo]

Keith Mattingly wrote...

Well when Shepard hooks up with Liara, there will never be an ardact-yakshi daughter to have, because as said, ardact-yakshi are daughters of two pure blood asari, Shepard and Liara's daughter will be a normal asari with genetic make-up like the average asari would.

The awesomeness and badassary of Shepard and Liara cant be combined in just one Asari child...it would have to be devided in several childs! Liara would have to get Asari Triplets...or Quadruplets!

[jlb524]

I really don't think there's a biological benefit for the asari to pair with a non-asari. None. The AY thing may be a very small risk, but I don't think it's enough to justify avoiding your own species (and I think most asari may prefer to be with their own species, IMO). It's purely a cultural thing and ridiculous, IMO.

[tonnactus]

jlb524 wrote...

I really don't think there's a biological benefit for the asari to pair with a non-asari. None. The AY thing may be a very small risk, but I don't think it's enough to justify avoiding your own species (and I think most asari may prefer to be with their own species, IMO). It's purely a cultural thing and ridiculous, IMO.

There isnt something like a "pure cultural thing".Why muslims/jews didnt eat pig meat for example?This isnt just something
artificial that came out of nowthere.There were good reasons for  why these got prohibited in history.

Modifié par tonnactus, 25 août 2010 - 11:54 .