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[Slakky]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I was thinking about the romance content in LotSB and how cheating would be adressed and I had an epiphany.

Bioware might recton things into a love triangle. As in, there will be the romance content, and Shepard will still not have the option of breaking it off with Liara or even bring up the fact that they went behind her back.

A love triangle with Garrus or Tali would be pretty awesome if they did it right.  I mean crazy circumstances, close friends, things are going to happen.

Of course that also rests on "if they do it right" and BW caring enough to implement something that only works for people who played all 3 games and made very specific choices when ME3 is already going to be horrendously complicated.

[jtav]

I hope if you attempt to have both again, they dump you and head off to the bar for a drink.

[IndigoWolfe]

EvilIguana966 wrote...

I for one am sorry to see that Dinkamus has returned. This thread was much more peaceful without his constant antagonism and rudeness.

Iguana, that was completely unnecessary and antagonistic. Dinkamus has so far been acting civil. If you find his future posts offensive or off-topic, you can either report him or ignore him.

[IndigoWolfe]

I was thinking on Liara's OOCness in Redemption, and the thought struck me. While realistically, it was due to ignorance of her character, what if Liara acting the way she did in Redemption was her trying to imitate Shepard?

Examining things, you have ME1. By the end; you've rubbed of on her somewhat. She does have a grimmer view of the galaxy. And then throw in Shepard's death. Liara trying to act like Shepard could be a sort of coping mechanism.

But frankly, that's overthinking the situation of the writers probably just not having the firmest grip on her character. But it makes for a nice fantasy.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I was thinking on Liara's OOCness in Redemption, and the thought struck me. While realistically, it was due to ignorance of her character, what if Liara acting the way she did in Redemption was her trying to imitate Shepard?

Examining things, you have ME1. By the end; you've rubbed of on her somewhat. She does have a grimmer view of the galaxy. And then throw in Shepard's death. Liara trying to act like Shepard could be a sort of coping mechanism.

But frankly, that's overthinking the situation of the writers probably just not having the firmest grip on her character. But it makes for a nice fantasy.

Heh. I can understand why you would try to rationale it away. But I simply say this.

You can only read so much between the lines before you start making things up.

Basicly, I think Liara's OOCness is simply poor writing.

[IndigoWolfe]

She might have been out of character, but that sure didn't stop her from looking good!

[IndigoWolfe]

Hmm, I wonder if we'll ever be seeing Liara do the biotic flight ability Samara displays.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Hmm, I wonder if we'll ever be seeing Liara do the biotic flight ability Samara displays.

Wouldn't care that much if she did, as long as she doesn't run around in a tight leather suit then i'm fine.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Just something weird I thought of:

So in DA:O you will in the main quest get captured in some pseoudo-nightmare by a demon, along with the rest of the partymembers you have with you. And each partymember will get trapped within their own nightmare/dream which they won't want to leave due to it being so nice or can't leave due to not having enough willpower.

So let's say that in ME3 Shepard's squad will get trapped in some reaper created dreams and such, so here's the question. What would Liara get trapped in? Would it be a pleasant illusion of being back on Thessia, studying about the protheans. Or would it be something else entirely?

Weird question I know!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

NJ19 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Just something weird I thought of:

So in DA:O you will in the main quest get captured in some pseoudo-nightmare by a demon, along with the rest of the partymembers you have with you. And each partymember will get trapped within their own nightmare/dream which they won't want to leave due to it being so nice or can't leave due to not having enough willpower.

So let's say that in ME3 Shepard's squad will get trapped in some reaper created dreams and such, so here's the question. What would Liara get trapped in? Would it be a pleasant illusion of being back on Thessia, studying about the protheans. Or would it be something else entirely?

Weird question I know!

I think you're right, in that it would be something to do with diiscovering some prothean artifact on a digsite somewhere. It's what seemed to make her happiest for a large portion of her life

If it was a nightmare then it could be that she's back in the mansion she grew op on. But it's ruined due to the Normandy SR-1 having apperently crashed there. She would then also be surrounded by all of her comrades she was working with in ME1, but they all hate and reject her for giving Shepard's body to Cerberus.

Couldn't come up with anything more dramatic than that.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 27 août 2010 - 11:00 .

[Shadowcat101]

Can’t wait to play this new DLC. Hopefully it will have some good stuff in it that will inspire me to draw something later. However it better have a good conclusion to it. Either A: we find the shadow broker and kill him, or B: find this “friend” of Liara’s.. and I’ll kill him too. I don’t want some wishy-washy story where we get to hang out with Liara for a bit but don’t get anywhere...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

NJ19 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

NJ19 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Just something weird I thought of:

So in DA:O you will in the main quest get captured in some pseoudo-nightmare by a demon, along with the rest of the partymembers you have with you. And each partymember will get trapped within their own nightmare/dream which they won't want to leave due to it being so nice or can't leave due to not having enough willpower.

So let's say that in ME3 Shepard's squad will get trapped in some reaper created dreams and such, so here's the question. What would Liara get trapped in? Would it be a pleasant illusion of being back on Thessia, studying about the protheans. Or would it be something else entirely?

Weird question I know!

I think you're right, in that it would be something to do with diiscovering some prothean artifact on a digsite somewhere. It's what seemed to make her happiest for a large portion of her life

If it was a nightmare then it could be that she's back in the mansion she grew op on. But it's ruined due to the Normandy SR-1 having apperently crashed there. She would then also be surrounded by all of her comrades she was working with in ME1, but they all hate and reject her for giving Shepard's body to Cerberus.

Couldn't come up with anything more dramatic than that.

Yeah, sorry, missed the nightmare/dream part. Obviously the digsite would be the dream side. Your nightmare vision is heartbreaking, though. Poor Liara   And shame on her comrades for hating her for everything she did to save Shepard.

(Although, I have to admit to (sometimes) choosing the renegade option when she tells you about giving your body to Cerberus......but I do feel like an ass afterwards). That's what reloads are for though.....um, yeah (so shame on me)

I don't really blame people for taking the lower options in the Illium cameo. It's the only way to get a response out of Shepard other than .

[Nerdage]

NJ19 wrote...
Yeah, sorry, missed the nightmare/dream part. Obviously the digsite would be the dream side. Your nightmare vision is heartbreaking, though. Poor Liara   And shame on her comrades for hating her for everything she did to save Shepard.

(Although, I have to admit to (sometimes) choosing the renegade option when she tells you about giving your body to Cerberus......but I do feel like an ass afterwards). That's what reloads are for though.....um, yeah (so shame on me)

Boo! Hiss!

Lizardviking wrote...
I don't really blame people for taking the lower options in the Illium cameo. It's the only way to get a response out of Shepard other than .

I can't really understand why you'd make drama just for the sake of it. I'd rather have less emotion than really mis-placed emotion, although I guess it depends on your character whether or not it is actually mis-placed. Although, ideally, I'd rather have the proper emotion in the proper ammount.

That said though, my current fem-Shep is on Illium and I didn't think it was so terrible; not as good her reaction to meeting Wrex again --which is annoying considering she romanced Liara-- but there are other Shepard parts that bother me more.

Modifié par nerdage, 28 août 2010 - 01:46 .

[Cyricsservant101]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

I think having Tali and Garrus back because you think somehow that Shepard, Tali and Garrus are all BFF is pretty opinionated...Sorry, Tali and Garrus were mercenaries just like the rest in ME2.

Uh... Mercenaries? Is there an alternate version of Mass Effect 2 I'm unaware of?

For Garrus specifically, I thought it was pretty obvious how important Shepard was to him as a leader and a role-model. Without Shepard, Garrus didn't have any direction. Instead of going back to C-Section or getting Spectre status, Garrus fell off the map for months until he went into vigilante-suicide mode on Omega. It was almost as if he had some sort of death-wish. While the Quarian political scene is heating up and Tali might need to leave Shepard's crew to save her people from themselves, I can't think of a single good reason why Garrus would leave Shepard's crew... besides death.

Tali and Garrus werent "saved" for ME3. I dont see why they should get as good or a better role than the characters who were and missed out on most of ME2

Bioware might want to have a few returning party members star in every game of the trilogy, sort of like how they brought back Edwin, Viconia, and Minsc from Baldur's Gate... Hell, Tali even quotes Minsc in battle.

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

We saw what happened with 12
squadmates in ME2 instead of 6: half the content, even with their
"loyalty missions", and next to no unique integration into the plot.

Again, not to be rude, but I feel like I played an entirely different game than you did. I thought the squadmates in ME2 were just as developed as those in ME1, perhaps more so. Some characters might have had a bit less dialogue than their ME1 counterparts, but factor in their recruitment and loyalty missions and I'd say they recieved (at the very least) a comparable amount of dialogue and characterization.

I can see no previous squadmates returning as a potential outcome

Sounds like wishful thinking on your part, but if you can't then you can't.  I however can, and I'm looking forward to seeing Tali, Garrus, and Liara in my party again.

Modifié par Cyricsservant101, 28 août 2010 - 05:29 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Uh... Mercenaries? Is there an alternate version of Mass Effect 2 I'm unaware of?

For Garrus specifically, I thought it was pretty obvious how important Shepard was to him as a leader and a role-model. Without Shepard, Garrus didn't have any direction. Instead of going back to C-Section or getting Spectre status, Garrus fell off the map for months until he went into vigilante-suicide mode on Omega. It was almost as if he had some sort of death-wish. While the Quarian political scene is heating up and Tali might need to leave Shepard's crew to save her people from themselves, I can't think of a single good reason why Garrus would leave Shepard's crew... besides death.

The only reason Garrus is on the squad in ME2 is because he is on the list.

Archangel was to be recruited for a mission, and by chance Archangel turned out to be Garrus. Just because the term mercenary doesnt fit with your "BFF/hes my wingman" idea doesnt change the fact that Garrus, like every other ME2 squadmate, comes from a shopping list of "hire these people to complete this mission".

Clearly there must be an alternate version of ME2 if you managed to miss that.

Cyricsservant101 wrote...
Bioware might want to have a few returning party members star in every game of the trilogy, sort of like how they brought back Edwin, Viconia, and Minsc from Baldur's Gate... Hell, Tali even quotes Minsc in battle.

Thats what Im hoping for, and since Baldurs Gate II didnt carry over decisions, it was weird but fine to see Edwin even if he got chunked by Minsc.

That doesnt happen this time, and since Garrus is dead for a lot of folks, I dont think he deserves the effort being put in to make him a squadmate a third time in a row. Id much rather see Miranda, Mordin or Samara make a second appearance along with Liara and the VS.

Cyricsservant101 wrote...
Again, not to be rude, but I feel like I played an entirely different game than you did. I thought the squadmates in ME2 were just as developed as those in ME1, perhaps more so. Some characters might have had a bit less dialogue than their ME1 counterparts, but factor in their recruitment and loyalty missions and I'd say they recieved (at the very least) a comparable amount of dialogue and characterization.

People always say the recruitment and loyalty missions? They are simply problems that need solving, and take no further place in the plot. Most of them are 90% constant shooting anyway. Regardless, they have no overall impact on the plot, and are isolated sidequests without much dialogue or backstory in them, with the exception of Thane and Samaras (who again, focus more on the problem than the character).

Cyricsservant101 wrote...
Sounds like wishful thinking on your part, but if you can't then you can't. I however can, and I'm looking forward to seeing Tali, Garrus, and Liara in my party again.

Not wishful thinking to not see anyone return at all. Wishful thinking that Tali and Garrus wont get a third game as a squadmate? Sure, theyve had their run now, and Im eager to see them written into supporting roles, as Bioware proved can so easily be done with ME2.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 28 août 2010 - 08:31 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Uh... Mercenaries? Is there an alternate version of Mass Effect 2 I'm unaware of?

For Garrus specifically, I thought it was pretty obvious how important Shepard was to him as a leader and a role-model. Without Shepard, Garrus didn't have any direction. Instead of going back to C-Section or getting Spectre status, Garrus fell off the map for months until he went into vigilante-suicide mode on Omega. It was almost as if he had some sort of death-wish. While the Quarian political scene is heating up and Tali might need to leave Shepard's crew to save her people from themselves, I can't think of a single good reason why Garrus would leave Shepard's crew... besides death.

The only reason Garrus is on the squad in ME2 is because he is on the list.

Archangel was to be recruited for a mission, and by chance Archangel turned out to be Garrus. Just because the term mercenary doesnt fit with your "BFF/hes my wingman" idea doesnt change the fact that Garrus, like every other ME2 squadmate, comes from a shopping list of "hire these people to complete this mission".

Clearly there must be an alternate version of ME2 if you managed to miss that.

Cyricsservant101 wrote...
Bioware might want to have a few returning party members star in every game of the trilogy, sort of like how they brought back Edwin, Viconia, and Minsc from Baldur's Gate... Hell, Tali even quotes Minsc in battle.

Thats what Im hoping for, and since Baldurs Gate II didnt carry over decisions, it was weird but fine to see Edwin even if he got chunked by Minsc.

That doesnt happen this time, and since Garrus is dead for a lot of folks, I dont think he deserves the effort being put in to make him a squadmate a third time in a row. Id much rather see Miranda, Mordin or Samara make a second appearance along with Liara and the VS.

Cyricsservant101 wrote...
Again, not to be rude, but I feel like I played an entirely different game than you did. I thought the squadmates in ME2 were just as developed as those in ME1, perhaps more so. Some characters might have had a bit less dialogue than their ME1 counterparts, but factor in their recruitment and loyalty missions and I'd say they recieved (at the very least) a comparable amount of dialogue and characterization.

People always say the recruitment and loyalty missions? They are simply problems that need solving, and take no further place in the plot. Most of them are 90% constant shooting anyway. Regardless, they have no overall impact on the plot, and are isolated sidequests without much dialogue or backstory in them, with the exception of Thane and Samaras (who again, focus more on the problem than the character).

Cyricsservant101 wrote...
Sounds like wishful thinking on your part, but if you can't then you can't. I however can, and I'm looking forward to seeing Tali, Garrus, and Liara in my party again.

Not wishful thinking to not see anyone return at all. Wishful thinking that Tali and Garrus wont get a third game as a squadmate? Sure, theyve had their run now, and Im eager to see them written into supporting roles, as Bioware proved can so easily be done with ME2.

The only 2 squadmates from ME2 where I couldn't come up with any reasoning for why they should leave without it seeming contrived is Garrus and (sadly) Jacob. But on the flipside, Bioware have proven with the ME2 intro that they are perfectly willing to come up with any excuse if thats what it will take to justify a completely new cast and plot.

[Nerevar-as]

I have the feeling Garrus was going to be a Wrex cameo with his personality changed depending on how you had influenced him, and got only as squadmate in ME2 due to his popularity. Archangel´s story arc doesn´t change really if he weren´t Garrus.

[Marcin K]

hey all

[Nerevar-as]

Just finished a ME1 playthrough. First time I take Kaidan along with Liara. She is less Paragon than him?. Come on. She was the one who wanted to save the Rachi queen. Having her talking about sacrificing the Council and her face when she shots Saren? No need to go to ME2 to start with bad writing.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Just finished a ME1 playthrough. First time I take Kaidan along with Liara. She is less Paragon than him?. Come on. She was the one who wanted to save the Rachi queen. Having her talking about sacrificing the Council and her face when she shots Saren? No need to go to ME2 to start with bad writing.

Yeah. It's quite silly to see Liara vouch for sacrificing the council.

[Slakky]

Lizardviking wrote...

The only 2 squadmates from ME2 where I couldn't come up with any reasoning for why they should leave without it seeming contrived is Garrus and (sadly) Jacob. But on the flipside, Bioware have proven with the ME2 intro that they are perfectly willing to come up with any excuse if thats what it will take to justify a completely new cast and plot.

I think Mass Effect was originally intended to be a two parter, and all the really awkward plot decisions they made with ME2 were intended to keep the story frozen for ME1 players while drawing new people into the franchise.

With ME3, you're probably going to see something like Halo 3 (don't take that analogy too far) where they assume you have a passing familiarity with the back story and focus on actually resolving things.  I'd be surprised if they pull any ME2 shenanigans and reset the series or sideline all the love interests again.

[Marcin K]

Slakky wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

The only 2 squadmates from ME2 where I couldn't come up with any reasoning for why they should leave without it seeming contrived is Garrus and (sadly) Jacob. But on the flipside, Bioware have proven with the ME2 intro that they are perfectly willing to come up with any excuse if thats what it will take to justify a completely new cast and plot.

I think Mass Effect was originally intended to be a two parter, and all the really awkward plot decisions they made with ME2 were intended to keep the story frozen for ME1 players while drawing new people into the franchise.

With ME3, you're probably going to see something like Halo 3 (don't take that analogy too far) where they assume you have a passing familiarity with the back story and focus on actually resolving things.  I'd be surprised if they pull any ME2 shenanigans and reset the series or sideline all the love interests again.

you might have a point here you know?
but still-lets wait for LOSB and see what's in there....