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Nerevar-as

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Slakky wrote...

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The only 2 squadmates from ME2 where I couldn't come up with any reasoning for why they should leave without it seeming contrived is Garrus and (sadly) Jacob. But on the flipside, Bioware have proven with the ME2 intro that they are perfectly willing to come up with any excuse if thats what it will take to justify a completely new cast and plot.

I think Mass Effect was originally intended to be a two parter, and all the really awkward plot decisions they made with ME2 were intended to keep the story frozen for ME1 players while drawing new people into the franchise.

With ME3, you're probably going to see something like Halo 3 (don't take that analogy too far) where they assume you have a passing familiarity with the back story and focus on actually resolving things.  I'd be surprised if they pull any ME2 shenanigans and reset the series or sideline all the love interests again.

It´s the second part of a trilogy. That usually means no resolutions, new questions and a cliffhanger. Even ESB was a set-up.
I found already surprising we learned what the Reapers want, if not why. I just expected 12 Dozen IN SPACE and Reapers arriving at the end. Really dissapointed there was not a Telly Savallas expy and how easy it was to have everyone survive. Just do all character missions in the game? I already do that in any game I play. Where´s the challenge?

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10 pages to 1900 whoo:D

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Nerevar-as wrote...

Just finished a ME1 playthrough. First time I take Kaidan along with Liara. She is less Paragon than him?:unsure:. Come on. She was the one who wanted to save the Rachi queen. Having her talking about sacrificing the Council and her face when she shots Saren? No need to go to ME2 to start with bad writing.


The shooting Saren is fine, but I think you are right and both Kaidan and Liara should have vouched for saving the council.  Just as if you have Wrex and Ash, both should vouch for killing the Rachni queen on that mission.

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My current ME1 replay (in prep for LotSB) has produced this video with Liara dialog I've never heard before (as I was always pleasant with her...but this Shepard is different).



She didn't take too kindly to getting called 'obsessed'.

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jlb524 wrote...

My current ME1 replay (in prep for LotSB) has produced this video with Liara dialog I've never heard before (as I was always pleasant with her...but this Shepard is different).

She didn't take too kindly to getting called 'obsessed'.


I take it you'r talking about the Illium cameo?

I always picked the "you'r obsessed" option myself. If only because I want to raise some concern over that spending two years on some quest for revenge isn't excatly what I wanted her to do (of course I don't know the whole story at that point).

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No...that vid is from ME1.

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jlb524 wrote...

No...that vid is from ME1.


AH lol. Should have wachted the link before making a comment! :P

Will wacht it in a moment.

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Just wachted the video. Quite interesting to wacht that conversation from a diffrent approach, even through I could never pick myself!

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I present for your consideration some crosstalk from the dangerous minds of GarrusThread:

Xsause wrote...

goofygoff wrote...

In anticipation of LofSB, I recently imported an ME1 character who romanced Liara, and is now romancing Garrus for the drama science!  It reminded me that I was completely irked that he never said anything about your ME1 LI, especially when you start the romance.  He'll mention the "stupid love triangle" thing if you're also trying to get into another ME2 LIs pants, but not one word about an established relationship (which you're never really given the opportunity to officially sever).

Even a simple, "What about Liara/Kaidan?", would've sufficed.


Just wait until Liara randomly smooches you the first time you meet her again. I was half expecting Garrus to yell at me afterwards (I had already started his romance). But there was nothing. So he either dozed off for a bit there, or he really wants a threesome with Shepard and Liara.

:D


So many places one can go from bad writing.

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote... The only reason Garrus is on the squad in ME2 is because he is on the list.


I really disagree with that. Ashley/Kaidan, Wrex and Liara could have been on the list too, but based on their in-game dialogue they still wouldn't have joined up with you (at that point in time). Garrus doesn't need any convincing to sign up for Shep's suicide run. To describe him as a merc is just... innacurate.

In fact, besides Zaeed, I'm not sure how any of your crew in ME2 are mercs. Maybe we're defining the word differently?

Archangel was to be recruited for a mission, and by chance Archangel turned out to be Garrus. Just because the term mercenary doesnt fit with your "BFF/hes my wingman" idea doesnt change the fact that Garrus, like every other ME2 squadmate, comes from a shopping list of "hire these people to complete this mission".


Again, I'm not sure how any of the cast members are mercenaries, save Zaeed.

Modifié par Cyricsservant101, 28 août 2010 - 03:30 .


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Kasumi is also in for the money, I think. From that POV, she is a mercenary even if it is not her normal job.

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Marcin R wrote...

10 pages to 1900 whoo:D


And 110 pages until the fabled 2K. Posted Image

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

10 pages to 1900 whoo:D


And 110 pages until the fabled 2K. Posted Image


Won't the world end when this thread reaches 2K? Something about all the computers running berserk? :P

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Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

10 pages to 1900 whoo:D

And 110 pages until the fabled 2K. Posted Image


Won't the world end when this thread reaches 2K? Something about all the computers running berserk? :P


No, that's Y2K. We'll be reaching L2K. Liara Two Thousand. Posted Image

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

10 pages to 1900 whoo:D

And 110 pages until the fabled 2K. Posted Image


Won't the world end when this thread reaches 2K? Something about all the computers running berserk? :P


No, that's Y2K. We'll be reaching L2K. Liara Two Thousand. Posted Image


So what happens when this thread reaches L2K?

All other character threads gets turned into Liara threads?

Casey Hudson will stop claim that Liara is asexual?

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gtg here cya all tomorrow

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Are you all pumped for the new DLC?

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FsDxRAGE wrote...

Are you all pumped for the new DLC?


You could say that.

It's also something of a make or break in my faith for Bioware.

If they succed. Then I'll have some hope that ME3 will be decent and not another let down like ME2 was.

If it fails..... I won't expect much else than disapointment from ME3.

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Lizardviking wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Are you all pumped for the new DLC?


You could say that.

It's also something of a make or break in my faith for Bioware.

If they succed. Then I'll have some hope that ME3 will be decent and not another let down like ME2 was.

If it fails..... I won't expect much else than disapointment from ME3.

:lol:
I am glad you all get to continue the romance, have you figured out how that is going to work?

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FsDxRAGE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Are you all pumped for the new DLC?


You could say that.

It's also something of a make or break in my faith for Bioware.

If they succed. Then I'll have some hope that ME3 will be decent and not another let down like ME2 was.

If it fails..... I won't expect much else than disapointment from ME3.

:lol:
I am glad you all get to continue the romance, have you figured out how that is going to work?


I presume it's going to done via several romance-exclusive conversations during and after the mission. It will end with her saying that she can't join you right now, due to having some unfinished buisness left to do. But she will join up with you ASAP. Basicly telling the player that she will be a squadmember again in ME3.

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sounds legit. In the screen shots, all I see is Liara tossing people around with her biotics. Looks like she is going to go all out

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FsDxRAGE wrote...

sounds legit. In the screen shots, all I see is Liara tossing people around with her biotics. Looks like she is going to go all out


Meh. Biotics were underpowered (Samara's only saving grace was area reave) in ME2. Hopefully Biotcis will be upgraded in a patch released along with the DLC.

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Lizardviking wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

sounds legit. In the screen shots, all I see is Liara tossing people around with her biotics. Looks like she is going to go all out


Meh. Biotics were underpowered (Samara's only saving grace was area reave) in ME2. Hopefully Biotcis will be upgraded in a patch released along with the DLC.

Didn't mean it like that..

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FsDxRAGE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

sounds legit. In the screen shots, all I see is Liara tossing people around with her biotics. Looks like she is going to go all out


Meh. Biotics were underpowered (Samara's only saving grace was area reave) in ME2. Hopefully Biotcis will be upgraded in a patch released along with the DLC.

Didn't mean it like that..


:P I know!

But really. I hope Liara's skillset (since I think she will be a temporary squadmate) will consist of something better than throw+lift+special biotic attack.

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Cyricsservant101 wrote...

I really disagree with that. Ashley/Kaidan, Wrex and Liara could have been on the list too, but based on their in-game dialogue they still wouldn't have joined up with you (at that point in time). Garrus doesn't need any convincing to sign up for Shep's suicide run. To describe him as a merc is just... innacurate.

In fact, besides Zaeed, I'm not sure how any of your crew in ME2 are mercs. Maybe we're defining the word differently?


If Archangel wasnt on the list, Garrus would have remained on Omega and been killed by the mercs. You talk like he heard the news about Shepard and tracked him down. The only reason Garrus is in the game is because TIM thought recruiting his alter-ego on omega would be a good idea. Just because he gets pally with Shepard once they meet doesnt change that.

Sorry, he just got sick of the politicking on the citadel and went to wage a guerilla war on omega that got a lot of innocent and guilty people killed for his own sense of satisfaction. Just because he doesnt get paid doesnt change any of this.


Cyricsservant101 wrote...
Again, I'm not sure how any of the cast members are mercenaries, save Zaeed.


Again, Im not sure if the lack of funds being transferred is making you disagree on that basis alone. Even if they dont require payment through cash, most of them extract payment through favours in their loyalty missions.

I dont think Garrus' role in ME2 is anywhere near in depth enough to justify the kind of supposed friendship people often attribute to him in ME2. In fact, Id go so far as to guess that he was a last minute fanservice shoe in given how poor his dialogue is. Like Tali, hes nothing but a romance when it gets down to it.

Either way, it doesnt change the fact that Id be glad to see him cameod in ME3 like he deserves. He played a part in ME1, got added into ME2 as almost pure fanservice - now its time to give up his position either for other characters to get a second shot as squadmate, or to make way for new faces. Hopefully Bioware are going for a much more story oriented approach with ME3, with a smaller, better developed squad who play a much, much bigger role in it. That, quite frankly, leaves no room for the likes of Garrus, Tali, Kasumi, Zaeed etc. I think the best thing for them now is a worthwhile supporting role the likes of which Wrex has. When it comes to release, the so called "riots" expected by some people wont be happening, because it doesnt work that way. In a year or mores time people will be far more interested in the new additions as opposed to shoehorning in a squadmate who is dead for plenty of players.

Anyway, while the issue of ME2 squadmates making it into ME3 as squadmates is relevant because of the impact it would have on Liaras chances, I think this has become a bit too Garrus oriented. Ive made my points and backed them up with what transpires in game, and its clear we have simply come to different conclusions. I dont want to see Garrus get a reduced role out of spite - I just think its the right way to go. Maybe they will bring him back as a squadmate (and I dread to think how poor his character would be because of that), but he wasnt "saved for ME3", and in my books that means he now deserves a supporting role over staying as a squadmate. They had to reintroduce Garrus in ME2, and even then his character was based heavily around past history. A second game like that and he wont be much use for ME3 players. Better to now focus on characters that can be introduced or reintroduced more easily than Garrus or Tali could be, and who are also a much safer bet in terms of not being dead.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 28 août 2010 - 07:07 .