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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Beside 80% of the people who raged that their ME1 LI didn't join the squad in ME2 seemed quite pleased to take a new LI in ME2.

Just add a new bunch of LI's in ME3 and history will repeat itself!

Modifié par Lizardviking, 28 août 2010 - 07:26 .

[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

10 pages to 1900 whoo:D

And 110 pages until the fabled 2K.

Won't the world end when this thread reaches 2K? Something about all the computers running berserk?

No, that's Y2K. We'll be reaching L2K. Liara Two Thousand.

So what happens when this thread reaches L2K?

All other character threads gets turned into Liara threads?

Casey Hudson will stop claim that Liara is asexual?

No, some say it will be the day people start being optimistic about the Mass Effect movie.

Others say it will be the day the Tali fans will descend on this thread and it will be cast down in a storm of Talimancing fury.

While others still remain stowart in their belief that reaching the fabled 2K mark will mean that Woo will finally reveal that he is in fact; Lady Gaga.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

10 pages to 1900 whoo:D

And 110 pages until the fabled 2K.

Won't the world end when this thread reaches 2K? Something about all the computers running berserk?

No, that's Y2K. We'll be reaching L2K. Liara Two Thousand.

So what happens when this thread reaches L2K?

All other character threads gets turned into Liara threads?

Casey Hudson will stop claim that Liara is asexual?

No, some say it will be the day people start being optimistic about the Mass Effect movie.

Others say it will be the day the Tali fans will descend on this thread and it will be cast down in a storm of Talimancing fury.

While others still remain stowart in their belief that reaching the fabled 2K mark will mean that Woo will finally reveal that he is in fact; Lady Gaga.

That sounds like a load of fun!

I can't wait for L2K now!

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Lizardviking wrote...

Beside 80% of the people who raged that their ME1 LI didn't join the squad in ME2 seemed quite pleased to take a new LI in ME2.

Just add a new bunch of LI's in ME3 and history will repeat itself!

Yeah, pretty much. There is a majority out there who dont mind jumping on the newest available LI that takes their fancy, as they dont consider it important to roleplaying, or even bother roleplaying at all for that matter, and are just content to shoot things in as banal a fashion as possible.

Rather than call for the burning down of Bioware Edmonton, Id bet money on more people chiming in with things like "what did you expect", "they died in my game so I dont care anyway", "they werent very good anyway" or "its better to have new squadmates" etc, etc.

The trick is to hope its your favoured LI that is getting reintroduced as a squadmate in the game.

At the moment Im not sure which way it goes. Im hoping the DLC is going to be a big relief in terms of spelling out "will be squadmate in ME3", but its just as likely to do the complete opposite.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Beside 80% of the people who raged that their ME1 LI didn't join the squad in ME2 seemed quite pleased to take a new LI in ME2.

Just add a new bunch of LI's in ME3 and history will repeat itself!

Yeah, pretty much. There is a majority out there who dont mind jumping on the newest available LI that takes their fancy, as they dont consider it important to roleplaying, or even bother roleplaying at all for that matter, and are just content to shoot things in as banal a fashion as possible.

Rather than call for the burning down of Bioware Edmonton, Id bet money on more people chiming in with things like "what did you expect", "they died in my game so I dont care anyway", "they werent very good anyway" or "its better to have new squadmates" etc, etc.

The trick is to hope its your favoured LI that is getting reintroduced as a squadmate in the game.

At the moment Im not sure which way it goes. Im hoping the DLC is going to be a big relief in terms of spelling out "will be squadmate in ME3", but its just as likely to do the complete opposite.

Exactly! I don't mean to sound down-grading to people. But most who played this game (remember: Forums only represent the more "hardcore" playerbase), played it once or twice, and just took whatever LI that had their fancy (which is why so many cheated). Then moved on to the next game.

[tommyt_1994]

Hey Liara fans,just droppin by to show support. And to point out two things I noticed from the LotSB screen shots.



-in this screenshot, there appears to be a singularity field in the background, but the Shep here is a soldier, suggesting that singularity is one of Liara's powers.



-and in this one, it appears Liara is using throw, or possibly pull. Or even possibly a new bonus power.

You guys have more than likely already discussed these, but there they are.

*Returns to his current me1 profile that will be romancing Liara*

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Modifié par tommyt_1994, 29 août 2010 - 03:23 .

[Cyricsservant101]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

If Archangel wasnt on the list, Garrus would have remained on Omega and been killed by the mercs. You talk like he heard the news about Shepard and tracked him down. The only reason Garrus is in the game is because TIM thought recruiting his alter-ego on omega would be a good idea. Just because he gets pally with Shepard once they meet doesnt change that.

If you ask where Garrus is at the start of ME2, TIM can't tell you because Garrus fell off the map. As soon as Garrus reunites with Shepard he wants to join the Normandy crew again. I'm not sure why you're placing so much empahsis on HOW the two are reunited, rather than focusing on Garrus' mentality and motivations for re-joining. The chance events leading to their reunion seem inconsequential.

Sorry, he just got sick of the politicking on the citadel and went to wage a guerilla war on omega that got a lot of innocent and guilty people killed for his own sense of satisfaction. Just because he doesnt get paid doesnt change any of this.

Really, I think you're proving my point for me. Remove Shepard from the equation and you have a bitter, self-rightious Turian with a death-wish. ME1 made it clear that Garrus looks up to Shepard as a role-model of sorts, and that he believes in Shepard's cause. I'm really not sure where you're getting this "Garrus is a mercenary" idea from.

Again, Im not sure if the lack of funds being transferred is making you disagree on that basis alone. Even if they dont require payment through cash, most of them extract payment through favours in their loyalty missions.

The loyalty missions are optional. Tell Jacob you don't give two ****s about rescuing his father and he'll still follow you through the gates of hell. It's not an alternative form of payment if a crew member will stick with you regardless.

Hopefully Bioware are going for a much more story oriented approach with ME3, with a smaller, better developed squad who play a much, much bigger role in it. That, quite frankly, leaves no room for the likes of Garrus, Tali...

I disagree completely, especially with regard to Tali. She's a squad-mate in both games, a love interest, and our primary link to Quarian society... and based on the events of Tali's loyalty mission, I think it's fair to say that Quarians might play a larger role in ME3's narrative than they have in previous entries.

In a year or mores time people will be far more interested in the new additions as opposed to shoehorning in a squadmate who is dead for plenty of players.

Strange sentiment for a Liara thread.

Anyway, there are several easy ways around the "Tali and Garrus are dead" dilemma... Four solutions pop into my head instantly, and each is viable considering Bioware used all four of them for ME2... I'll hold off on the details for now though.

Modifié par Cyricsservant101, 28 août 2010 - 11:16 .

[Cyricsservant101]

Lizardviking wrote...

Beside 80% of the people who raged that their ME1 LI didn't join the squad in ME2 seemed quite pleased to take a new LI in ME2.

Just add a new bunch of LI's in ME3 and history will repeat itself!

I was disappointed that we only got about half our crew back... but I was pleased that my ME1 love interest returned as a squadmate.

I agree that people will rage if the ME2 LI's are cut from the game in ME3 (even though Jack and Samara/Morinth are obvious cuts). PS3 owners are just getting introduced to the franchise, and they'll probably feel a greater affinity for the ME2 love interests than some of the posters here.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to have Liara back, but I have to wonder how significant a role she'll play based on the fact that Bioware recently expanded ME2's audience. Obviously PS3 ME3 players won't be able to transfer a ME1 Liara romance, soooo... I dunno, I'm just not sure what Bioware plans to do with her character.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Beside 80% of the people who raged that their ME1 LI didn't join the squad in ME2 seemed quite pleased to take a new LI in ME2.

Just add a new bunch of LI's in ME3 and history will repeat itself!

I was disappointed that we only got about half our crew back... but I was pleased that my ME1 love interest returned as a squadmate.

I agree that people will rage if the ME2 LI's are cut from the game in ME3 (even though Jack and Samara/Morinth are obvious cuts). PS3 owners are just getting introduced to the franchise, and they'll probably feel a greater affinity for the ME2 love interests than some of the posters here.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to have Liara back, but I have to wonder how significant a role she'll play based on the fact that Bioware recently expanded ME2's audience. Obviously PS3 ME3 players won't be able to transfer a ME1 Liara romance, soooo... I dunno, I'm just not sure what Bioware plans to do with her character.

I really don't think Liara will be a squadmate.  Sure there's a good chance that she will be a temporary squadmate in the DLC. But I don't think she'll join you.

[Quaay]

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Beside 80% of the people who raged that their ME1 LI didn't join the squad in ME2 seemed quite pleased to take a new LI in ME2.

Just add a new bunch of LI's in ME3 and history will repeat itself!

I was disappointed that we only got about half our crew back... but I was pleased that my ME1 love interest returned as a squadmate.

I agree that people will rage if the ME2 LI's are cut from the game in ME3 (even though Jack and Samara/Morinth are obvious cuts). PS3 owners are just getting introduced to the franchise, and they'll probably feel a greater affinity for the ME2 love interests than some of the posters here.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to have Liara back, but I have to wonder how significant a role she'll play based on the fact that Bioware recently expanded ME2's audience. Obviously PS3 ME3 players won't be able to transfer a ME1 Liara romance, soooo... I dunno, I'm just not sure what Bioware plans to do with her character.

Why are Jack and Samara obvious cuts??!
Longest 10 days ever waiting for Liara's DLC

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Quaay wrote...

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Beside 80% of the people who raged that their ME1 LI didn't join the squad in ME2 seemed quite pleased to take a new LI in ME2.

Just add a new bunch of LI's in ME3 and history will repeat itself!

I was disappointed that we only got about half our crew back... but I was pleased that my ME1 love interest returned as a squadmate.

I agree that people will rage if the ME2 LI's are cut from the game in ME3 (even though Jack and Samara/Morinth are obvious cuts). PS3 owners are just getting introduced to the franchise, and they'll probably feel a greater affinity for the ME2 love interests than some of the posters here.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to have Liara back, but I have to wonder how significant a role she'll play based on the fact that Bioware recently expanded ME2's audience. Obviously PS3 ME3 players won't be able to transfer a ME1 Liara romance, soooo... I dunno, I'm just not sure what Bioware plans to do with her character.

Why are Jack and Samara obvious cuts??!
Longest 10 days ever waiting for Liara's DLC

Samara makes it quite clear she intends to leave you once the mission is over ...

Jack on the other hand has no reason to stay, neither does Thane.

[Cyricsservant101]

Why are Jack and Samara obvious cuts??!

Well, for one thing they both only appear in ME2, and they can both die during the game's final act... and then, more importantly, there are the reasons Lizardviking mentioned. Samara has made it clear she's leaving at the end of your ME2 mission, and Jack and Morinth have little incentive to stick with you.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Jack back for my renegade Shep, but I just don't see it happening.

[Quaay]

None of that reasoning equals being cut from ME3 to me.



...Liara's DLC still not out? Ugh, waiting sucks. Waiting for DLC, waiting for info, waiting for ME3....

[Cyricsservant101]

Hey, anything could happen.

... but Bioware has stated that character creation is extremely expensive. Considering that they're probably planning to introduce some new characters (in addition to returning squadmates), I think it's a safe assumption that several of the newer, less popular squademates will be cut.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Quaay wrote...

None of that reasoning equals being cut from ME3 to me.

...Liara's DLC still not out? Ugh, waiting sucks. Waiting for DLC, waiting for info, waiting for ME3....

I never said "completely out of ME3" but I don't expect these characters to get more than cameos.

Look at it this way, here's the diffrent ways the story can go for these characters.

SAMARA:
1: She's dead.
2: Shepard never met her.
3: Loyalty mission failed. Morinth is still on the loose.
4: Loyalty mission completed.

Even in 4 she still says she will leave once the mission is over. And if it's 3 then she will simply leave to continue her pursuit.

JACK:
1: She's dead.
2: loyalty mission never done.
3: Loyalty mission completed.
4: Got told to ****** off and crawl back to her basement by Shepard.
5: Romanced.

Only in 5 does she have any motivations to stay. But since it wouldn't make ANY sense for her to be on the Normandy in the 4 other conditions, a cameo seems most likely and most efficient.

[Cyricsservant101]

Lizardviking wrote...

Quaay wrote...

None of that reasoning equals being cut from ME3 to me.

...Liara's DLC still not out? Ugh, waiting sucks. Waiting for DLC, waiting for info, waiting for ME3....

I never said "completely out of ME3" but I don't expect these characters to get more than cameos.

Look at it this way, here's the diffrent ways the story can go for these characters.

SAMARA:
1: She's dead.
2: Shepard never met her.
3: Loyalty mission failed. Morinth is still on the loose.
4: Loyalty mission completed.

Even in 4 she still says she will leave once the mission is over. And if it's 3 then she will simply leave to continue her pursuit.

JACK:
1: She's dead.
2: loyalty mission never done.
3: Loyalty mission completed.
4: Got told to ****** off and crawl back to her basement by Shepard.
5: Romanced.

Only in 5 does she have any motivations to stay. But since it wouldn't make ANY sense for her to be on the Normandy in the 4 other conditions, a cameo seems most likely and most efficient.

Also it's important to take into account that, in addition to the finale, Samara can die during her loyalty mission. If you keep Samara as a squadmate you have to keep Morinth too. Unfortunately, Bioware has finite time and financial resources, and it might be seen as too costly to bring back Samara/Morinth outside of cameo roles.

[Master Shiori]

Actually, Samara tells Shepard that he can call upon her aid anytime.



Hard to imagine her sitting on the sidelines while the Reapers are about to destroy all life in the galaxy.



Jack is a potential LI, so cutting her out makes no sense. It only serves to antagonize anyone who romanced her.



And if we're going by "he/she can die so can't appear in ME3" then none of the squadmates from ME2 will be in the third game, since all of them could be dead by the end.

[eyondra]

I want li in me 3, in my opinion she is one of the best characters in the game

[Cyricsservant101]

Master Shiori wrote...
Hard to imagine her sitting on the sidelines while the Reapers are about to destroy all life in the galaxy.

Hard to imagine Kaidan, Ashley, and Liara doing the same... but they did in ME2. Really, it comes down to financing. How many characters can Bioware afford to bring back? I think we all remember what happened with Dragon Age Origins: Awakening.

Jack is a potential LI, so cutting her out makes no sense. It only serves to antagonize anyone who romanced her.

They'll be angry, and rightfully so.

And if we're going by "he/she can die so can't appear in ME3" then none of the squadmates from ME2 will be in the third game, since all of them could be dead by the end.

Bringing back the entire ME2 crew as squadmates, in addition to ME1 characters and original characters, would be extemely expensive... and the fact that some players might not have access to certain crew-members right off the bat (tbased on their ME2 save data) might factor into Bioware's decision-making process. That's all I'm saying.

Modifié par Cyricsservant101, 28 août 2010 - 09:38 .

[Cyricsservant101]

DLC crossed my mind too. That's definitely one method of bringing in more old squad-mates.

[Nerevar-as]

It is the flaw with the "big choices" gimmick. They are not big at all cause they can´t account for big consequences if it was done and none if it wasn´t when is something in the middle of a game (take DR from DA:O, it could potentially reshape the world completely, so it will factor at the end of the saga at best). Here they have to account for 12 characters who can be dead if the player so decided. 12 full roles in ME3? Unlikely. Maybe Miranda (HARD to kill) and the ME1 crew for the nostalgy but I don´t expect anyone more.



I would like a second chance with the existing LIS rather than new ones, introducing them in the 3rd part of a trilogy doesn´t work narratively, unless they get Alan Moore to write it.

[Stormy-B]

jlb524 wrote...

My current ME1 replay (in prep for LotSB) has produced this video with Liara dialog I've never heard before (as I was always pleasant with her...but this Shepard is different).

She didn't take too kindly to getting called 'obsessed'.

*comes in 10 hours later*
Your renegade shep looks almost like my All-out paragon Shep, guess we both like to build off the basic Jane Shepard face
And this gave me some ideas for my next sheps personality, very nice. ME1 and Liara here I go.

Modifié par Stormy-B, 28 août 2010 - 11:12 .

[jlb524]

Stormy-B wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

My current ME1 replay (in prep for LotSB) has produced this video with Liara dialog I've never heard before (as I was always pleasant with her...but this Shepard is different).

She didn't take too kindly to getting called 'obsessed'.

*comes in 10 hours later*
Your renegade shep looks almost like my All-out paragon Shep, guess we both like to build off the basic Jane Shepard face
And this gave me some ideas for my next sheps personality, very nice. ME1 here I go.

Yes, this is a very interesting Shepard to roleplay....she's full of anger and hatred (she has the Colonist background) and unfortunately takes it out on those that care for her.  She will eventually wake up, though

I do like the basic Jane face structure.  The others just seem off.