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[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Captain Iglo wrote...

I wonder if there will be the option in the end to somehow "join" the shadow broker and betray Liara...though I probably would never do that. But it would be interesting as an extrem Renegade option.
Maybe the shadow broker will have vital ressources and informations, he could make a powerful ally...so powerful that your renegade shepard would even betray Liara.

Ive been worried about that too.

Liara is essentially a "loose end" in that shes the only squadmate without major complications (meaning death). Really the only big issue is romanced or not.

I certainly hope one of the things this DLC does is put Liara along with the rest in terms of being able to die. I think if she does itll most likely be supporting roles only for old squadmates in ME3, with Shepards squadmates consisting entirely of new squadmates to make things easier on the devs perhaps.

I certainly hope thats not the case, but itll be a nagging fear in the back of my mind as I play the DLC.

[jlb524]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Posting pictures is utterly fine. Repeatedly spamming them in one or multiple posts makes a mess of this thread in terms of reading it and getting discussion going.

Maybe you didnt put any thought into it, but if character threads get locked for being off topic, I dont think its fair that they do while its perfectly acceptable in this thread to just bombard it with pics. I post the occasional pic myself because it gets discussion going. I dont saturate the thread with them.

Well..when did I 'saturate the thread'?  OK, that one time.....

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
Firstly, you dont know anything about the SB yet, and neither do any of us. If the SB turned out to be a reaper or super powerful ai, who could Liara take up the duties of controlling an entire galaxies worth of information? Shed be dead within a week from exhaustion.

First off, I don't think she would take over the SB's job exactly.  But it may be that her own info network would rise up to be the most powerful in its wake.  It wouldn't' be nearly as powerful or influential as what the SB had, but it would be the most powerful by default.  I think this is plausible and within Liara's current resources. 

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
Secondly, information brokering isnt going to be of much help becuase of the simplicity of the problem. Unless Liara has got some key pieces of information in any SB archives that can help defeat the reapers, there isnt much point.

You assume she won't find key info?   Why even create this DLC then?  I think that this is the direction that they are heading in....they are setting something up for ME3 here.....they've said this.   I think the SB will have something to help defeat the Reapers.  I may be wrong of course, but that's just my hunch.  Why would they take the time to do this DLC otherwise? 

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Keep Liara a supporting character using her SB connection to give Shepard info is more fabricating another reason for her not to join. We saw how well that went in ME2. Knowledge is important, but not sitting tucked away passing it along. Better she have the knowledge and be with Shepard to apply it in person.

So, you are just worried about Liara's ME3 squad mate status?  Would you be so upset if she just played a very important plot-sensitive role without being another 'canon fodder' that Shep throws at enemies (as a squad mate)??

Liara may be able to do more without Shepard that with.  And ultimately her contribution to the Mass Effect series might be greater in a non-squad mate role in ME3 than a squad mate role. She could still be in very close contact with Shepard, giving him/her the info, but just not in the squad dealing with the distractions that come from that. 

[pf17456]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Most Liara fans do appreciate it about her, but I can see this is moving back to where weve just come from, as opposed to actually discussing Liara herself and her attitudes.

Bringing it back to Liara and not her fans or the Shepards people use, its actually an incredibly minute part of the romance. Barely any of it at all focuses on Shepard and Liaras differences, and I like it that way. Yeah initially its touched upon, but the rest is just exploring the personal connection.

The actual "difficulties" to the romance come from the reaper threat and the mission.

Well that and the additional temptations offered by squadmates coupled with the uncertainty arising from their meeting on Illium.

[jlb524]

Captain Iglo wrote...

I wonder if there will be the option in the end to somehow "join" the shadow broker and betray Liara...though I probably would never do that. But it would be interesting as an extrem Renegade option.
Maybe the shadow broker will have vital ressources and informations, he could make a powerful ally...so powerful that your renegade shepard would even betray Liara.

I don't think this will happen....they seem to be pushing towards and 'end the Shadow Broker' ending, which I'm fine with

[Captain Iglo]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Ive been worried about that too.

Liara is essentially a "loose end" in that shes the only squadmate without major complications (meaning death). Really the only big issue is romanced or not.

I certainly hope one of the things this DLC does is put Liara along with the rest in terms of being able to die. I think if she does itll most likely be supporting roles only for old squadmates in ME3, with Shepards squadmates consisting entirely of new squadmates to make things easier on the devs perhaps.

I certainly hope thats not the case, but itll be a nagging fear in the back of my mind as I play the DLC.

Well she doesnt have to die if you choose to join the SB. Maybe she will escape and play a different role in ME3. She could turn against you. Hell...she could make a great "villain" in part 3. I mean a former squadmember or even romance that turns in the course of 3 games into one of the main villains is an damn interesting aspect and would certainly flesh out the villain part (which was lacking big time in me2 in my opinion...I missed a villain with a "face").

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jlb524 wrote...


First off, I don't think she would take over the SB's job exactly.  But it may be that her own info network would rise up to be the most powerful in its wake.  It wouldn't' be nearly as powerful or influential as what the SB had, but it would be the most powerful by default.  I think this is plausible and within Liara's current resources.

Eh, Liara has "contacts", some "hired muscle" and the recently deceased Nyxeris. Hardly an information network that can take over the galaxies information brokering. Liara is good, but I dont think shes established herself as a "competitor" for the SB. That doesnt seem like a very effective way of "hunting". It might even put Liara at risk from those who rely on the SBs services. I think shes very good at what she does, but its still fairly small time compared to the SB. Its a personal vendetta in the end. I think ME2 makes this clear.

jlb524 wrote...
You assume she won't find key info?   Why even create this DLC then?  I think that this is the direction that they are heading in....they are setting something up for ME3 here.....they've said this.   I think the SB will have something to help defeat the Reapers.  I may be wrong of course, but that's just my hunch.  Why would they take the time to do this DLC otherwise? 

I dont assume she wont, Im hoping she might. Enough to justify a long, drawn out supporting role in ME3? I think pulling something like that out would clearly show it up to be fabricated. I would prefer a return to Liaras ME1 role: holding of vital pieces of information. I dont want to see that role strechted out into something like TIM in ME3. Thats always more about shuffling the plot along, sometimes dubiously, not about advancing the characters who occupy that role.

jlb524 wrote...
So, you are just worried about Liara's ME3 squad mate status?  Would you be so upset if she just played a very important plot-sensitive role without being another 'canon fodder' that Shep throws at enemies (as a squad mate)??

Liara may be able to do more without Shepard that with.  And ultimately her contribution to the Mass Effect series might be greater in a non-squad mate role in ME3 than a squad mate role. She could still be in very close contact with Shepard, giving him/her the info, but just not in the squad dealing with the distractions that come from that. 

That "cannon fodder" is the most expensive, heavily developed and content demanding group of characters in the game. Even in ME2, where character development and interaction was often so lacking, they still were hands down the most developed characters in the game. Shepard is the core of the game, the centre. Any characters who stick with him always benefit the most.

A supporting role in the plot as a key player is still a MASSIVE downgrade from being a squadmate.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 05 septembre 2010 - 09:36 .

[Captain Iglo]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't think this will happen....they seem to be pushing towards and 'end the Shadow Broker' ending, which I'm fine with

I do think so too. But this option would be interesting...and it could certainly put some depth in the "choices" part of ME.

[jlb524]

Captain Iglo wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I don't think this will happen....they seem to be pushing towards and 'end the Shadow Broker' ending, which I'm fine with

I do think so too. But this option would be interesting...and it could certainly put some depth in the "choices" part of ME.

Of course, but they also seem to railroad you into choices, and the Paragon/Renegade 'choices' only influence the 'flavor' of the final outcome. 

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Well she doesnt have to die if you choose to join the SB. Maybe she will escape and play a different role in ME3. She could turn against you. Hell...she could make a great "villain" in part 3. I mean a former squadmember or even romance that turns in the course of 3 games into one of the main villains is an damn interesting aspect and would certainly flesh out the villain part (which was lacking big time in me2 in my opinion...I missed a villain with a "face").

Maybe Liara could get a supporting role, perhas one that does encompass a villain, but I dont think its the best thing to do.

I think returning the ME1 LIs as squadmates and romances again, even for new or "cheating" players is the best thing to do. That way its still content that can be played by all, offers a nice roleplaying change in starting the romance in the end (kind of like a much, much better version of Tali and Garrus in ME2) and most importantly its just another facet that is brought to completion from ME1.

ME2 didnt do anywhere near enough in terms of "carrying on the decisions/carrying them over".

Seeing Liara and Ash/Kai (the first romances to open out the trilogy) get their conclusion in ME3 alongside Shepard would be a good thing IMO.

For the other characters, hopefully they can use this DLC as a template for future supporting roles. Put characters in heavily fleshed out missions like this, maybe even as temporary squadmates.

[Captain Iglo]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Maybe Liara could get a supporting role, perhas one that does encompass a villain, but I dont think its the best thing to do.

I think returning the ME1 LIs as squadmates and romances again, even for new or "cheating" players is the best thing to do. That way its still content that can be played by all, offers a nice roleplaying change in starting the romance in the end (kind of like a much, much better version of Tali and Garrus in ME2) and most importantly its just another facet that is brought to completion from ME1.

ME2 didnt do anywhere near enough in terms of "carrying on the decisions/carrying them over".

Seeing Liara and Ash/Kai (the first romances to open out the trilogy) get their conclusion in ME3 alongside Shepard would be a good thing IMO.

For the other characters, hopefully they can use this DLC as a template for future supporting roles. Put characters in heavily fleshed out missions like this, maybe even as temporary squadmates.

I do agree and I dont think we will have the choice. I am just saying if they would give you this choice, so that you will have Liara in ME3 either as important squadmate or powerfull villain, well...then I would bow before Bioware for creating such an emotional choice with 2 totally different outcomes that can change the experience of a playtrough of ME3 immense. Especially for people like us  who love Liara.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 05 septembre 2010 - 09:44 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Captain Iglo wrote...

I do agree and I dont think we will ahve the choice. I am just saying if they would give you this choice´, so that you will have Liara in ME3 either as important squadmate or powerfull villain...well...then I would bow before Bioware for creating such an emotional choice with 2 totally different outcomes that can change the experience of a playtrough of ME3 immense. Especially for people like us  who love Liara.

Thats the key part though: all that emotional drive relies heavily on what kind of relationship you had with her.

Giving a certain segment of the fanbase essentially the main villain of the game to themselves doesnt seem like a viable way to do things. Bioware arent big on altering the core of things. The core is linear and remains unchanged, its just on the surface it takes two different routes based on your choices.

I think developing a squadmate solely for ME3 who has the optional "tone" of a character who calls heavily back to ME1 is the best thing to do. Im not sure if they will though. Maybe just another supporting role with the altered "tone" for Liara in the end.

It would be a shame because the actual "major" decisions that should have big ramifications in ME3 arent that large in number. The rachni, potentially the thorian on feros and the council decision from ME1 are Id say the biggies. In ME2 I guess you can only count the base.

Id like to see the choice of romance from ME1 take a place near those as something important thats carried across the trilogy get a proper conclusion.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 05 septembre 2010 - 09:49 .

[jlb524]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

jlb524 wrote...


First off, I don't think she would take over the SB's job exactly.  But it may be that her own info network would rise up to be the most powerful in its wake.  It wouldn't' be nearly as powerful or influential as what the SB had, but it would be the most powerful by default.  I think this is plausible and within Liara's current resources. 

Eh, Liara has "contacts", some "hired muscle" and the recently deceased Nyxeris. Hardly an information network that can take over the galaxies information brokering. Liara is good, but I dont think shes established herself as a "competitor" for the SB. That doesnt seem like a very effective way of "hunting". It might even put Liara at risk from those who rely on the SBs services. I think shes very good at what she does, but its still fairly small time compared to the SB. Its a personal vendetta in the end. I think ME2 makes this clear.

It is small time compared to the SB's empire.  Again, I don't think she will 'take over' the SB's empire or become exactly as powerful as it was.  But I also do feel that Liara may be at 'risk' from those that use the SB's services, mainly the Council.  I fear the Spectre that we meet in this DLC is sent to take Liara down, in order to keep 'galactic stability'.  But...we shall see about that.   I just wonder why you think her immersing herself in the world of information and intrique is not an effective way of 'hunting' the Shadow Broker?  This appears to be what she is doing and she has been successful thus far.  

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
You assume she won't find key info?   Why even create this DLC then?  I think that this is the direction that they are heading in....they are setting something up for ME3 here.....they've said this.   I think the SB will have something to help defeat the Reapers.  I may be wrong of course, but that's just my hunch.  Why would they take the time to do this DLC otherwise? 

I dont assume she wont, Im hoping she might. Enough to justify a long, drawn out supporting role in ME3? I think pulling something like that out would clearly show it up to be fabricated. I would prefer a return to Liaras ME1 role: holding of vital pieces of information. I dont want to see that role strechted out into something like TIM in ME3. Thats always more about shuffling the plot along, sometimes dubiously, not about advancing the characters who occupy that role.

Wouldn't that be a return to her ME1 role?  Holding key information to destroy the Reapers?  I think they could both use Liara to 'shuffle the plot along' and also advance her character and relationship with Shepard (if applicable).  

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
So, you are just worried about Liara's ME3 squad mate status?  Would you be so upset if she just played a very important plot-sensitive role without being another 'canon fodder' that Shep throws at enemies (as a squad mate)??

Liara may be able to do more without Shepard that with.  And ultimately her contribution to the Mass Effect series might be greater in a non-squad mate role in ME3 than a squad mate role. She could still be in very close contact with Shepard, giving him/her the info, but just not in the squad dealing with the distractions that come from that. 

That "cannon fodder" is the most expensive, heavily developed and content demanding group of characters in the game. Even in ME2, where character development and interaction was often so lacking, they still were hands down the most developed characters in the game. Shepard is the core of the game, the centre. Any characters who stick with him always benefit the most.

A supporting role in the plot as a key player is still a MASSIVE downgrade from being a squadmate.

I don't see that as a nesseary truth.   I'm thinking about importance to the series...The Illusive Man is way way more important than Jack, for example.  So is Captain/Admiral Anderson. 

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jlb524 wrote...

It is small time compared to the SB's empire.  Again, I don't think she will 'take over' the SB's empire or become exactly as powerful as it was.  But I also do feel that Liara may be at 'risk' from those that use the SB's services, mainly the Council.  I fear the Spectre that we meet in this DLC is sent to take Liara down, in order to keep 'galactic stability'.  But...we shall see about that.   I just wonder why you think her immersing herself in the world of information and intrique is not an effective way of 'hunting' the Shadow Broker?  This appears to be what she is doing and she has been successful thus far. 

I know shes immersed herself in the world of information brokering. She hasnt started a galactic information war over this though. Its a personal vendetta and I dont think in terms of scale Liaras business has enough to warrant taking it over if the SB is finished. Pick apart for something useful? Yeah. Take it over and use it to help stop the reapers? No, I dont think so.

jlb524 wrote...

Wouldn't that be a return to her ME1 role?  Holding key information to destroy the Reapers?  I think they could both use Liara to 'shuffle the plot along' and also advance her character and relationship with Shepard (if applicable).

Yeah it would, but it would be alongside Shepard in the middle of things. TIM, Anderson, Udina, The Council - They are all very important characters with limited roles in their respective games. These arent optional side parts that allow massive changes - they are the core of the game. Decisions dont impact these plots in anything but superficial ways.

jlb524 wrote...
I don't see that as a nesseary truth.   I'm thinking about importance to the series...The Illusive Man is way way more important than Jack, for example.  So is Captain/Admiral Anderson. 

Important yes, but as someone who dislikes Jack as a character, even I can admit from a content perspective and being a centre part of the game Jack kicks the living crap out of both those characters combined. TIM and Anderson are near completely static characters. Jack is at least a very malleable character who is right alongside Shepard for ME2 if the player chooses. Id rather like to think  Liara was saved to conclude her character in role such as Jacks rather than Andersons or TIMs.

[Captain Iglo]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Thats the key part though: all that emotional drive relies heavily on what kind of relationship you had with her.

Giving a certain segment of the fanbase essentially the main villain of the game to themselves doesnt seem like a viable way to do things. Bioware arent big on altering the core of things. The core is linear and remains unchanged, its just on the surface it takes two different routes based on your choices.

I think developing a squadmate solely for ME3 who has the optional "tone" of a character who calls heavily back to ME1 is the best thing to do. Im not sure if they will though. Maybe just another supporting role with the altered "tone" for Liara in the end.

It would be a shame because the actual "major" decisions that should have big ramifications in ME3 arent that large in number. The rachni, potentially the thorian on feros and the council decision from ME1 are Id say the biggies. In ME2 I guess you can only count the base.

Id like to see the choice of romance from ME1 take a place near those as something important thats carried across the trilogy get a proper conclusion.

And the decision you could make with Legion...I guess they are in the same league as the rachni one.

Everything beside...All I want and the one thing I would be most happy about is that  we will have our beloved Liara back in Me3 right beside us kicking some reaper ass. (and that my squad could contain of her and Samara)

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Captain Iglo wrote...


And the decision you could make with Legion...I guess they are in the same league as the rachni one.

Everything beside...All I want and the one thing I would be most happy about is that  we will have our beloved Liara back in Me3 right beside us kicking some reaper ass. (and that my squad could contain of her and Samara)

Not really. Legion has some awful variables in ME3, and I think hes definitely going to be in for a "reset" role no matter what. The whole deal with the geth might never have had Shepards involvement in ME2.

Either way, I agree with the second part.

Liara is alongside Shepard as someone who knew the most about this threat from the beginning. It seems fitting that, regardless of Shepards various relationships with her in peoples games, that she be there in the thick of it when it comes to a close. Like I said, it would be good to see a central part of ME1 brought to its conclusion in ME3 as a key part of things.

[jlb524]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It is small time compared to the SB's empire.  Again, I don't think she will 'take over' the SB's empire or become exactly as powerful as it was.  But I also do feel that Liara may be at 'risk' from those that use the SB's services, mainly the Council.  I fear the Spectre that we meet in this DLC is sent to take Liara down, in order to keep 'galactic stability'.  But...we shall see about that.   I just wonder why you think her immersing herself in the world of information and intrique is not an effective way of 'hunting' the Shadow Broker?  This appears to be what she is doing and she has been successful thus far. 

I know shes immersed herself in the world of information brokering. She hasnt started a galactic information war over this though. Its a personal vendetta and I dont think in terms of scale Liaras business has enough to warrant taking it over if the SB is finished. Pick apart for something useful? Yeah. Take it over and use it to help stop the reapers? No, I dont think so.

You asume this is still just about a 'personal vendetta'? What proof is there?  I don't think there is any proof either way, to be honest.  But, maybe we are talking over each others heads....she has[/] started a galactic information war...she is taking on the Shadow Broker.  It doesn't get any more hardcore than this.    But, I never said she would take it over, but would use it to help Shepard and may work to do this through her own Info Network, with some Shadow Broker resources, but she won't take the SB's empire over and become the next Shadow Broker.   However, her 'picking it apart' may help Shepard against the Reapers.  Why do you not think this can be?

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Wouldn't that be a return to her ME1 role?  Holding key information to destroy the Reapers?  I think they could both use Liara to 'shuffle the plot along' and also advance her character and relationship with Shepard (if applicable).

Yeah it would, but it would be alongside Shepard in the middle of things. TIM, Anderson, Udina, The Council - They are all very important characters with limited roles in their respective games. These arent optional side parts that allow massive changes - they are the core of the game. Decisions dont impact these plots in anything but superficial ways

But, decisions about squad mates do impact the story more than in superficial ways?   .

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
I don't see that as a nesseary truth.   I'm thinking about importance to the series...The Illusive Man is way way more important than Jack, for example.  So is Captain/Admiral Anderson. 

Important yes, but as someone who dislikes Jack as a character, even I can admit from a content perspective and being a centre part of the game Jack kicks the living crap out of both those characters combined. TIM and Anderson are near completely static characters. Jack is at least a very malleable character who is right alongside Shepard for ME2 if the player chooses. Id rather like to think  Liara was saved to conclude her character in role such as Jacks rather than Andersons or TIMs.

Really?  Even if you just leave her on the ship and never talk to her?  She's very much [i]optional, as are all squad mates...TIM, Anderson are not.  Though, I may agree with you that Liara was saved for a squad mate role...in fact, I'm qute positive that she will be.  However, I'm one Liara fan that is not opposed to her having a plot critical role that will resonate more throughout the series than a simple squad mate role.  Both are good, but both give up something special, IMO.  The 'squad mate role' gives up plot importance.....the 'plot critical role' may give up importance to Shepard on a personal level....but maybe not...depends how they would implement that.

[Captain Iglo]

What I also wonder...we know this mission is playable post- and pre-suicide mission. So I wonder if she actually is putting on some "make-up" to change her appearance...or mabye she will loose some. Or if they update her model entirely...meaning that installing this dlc will also "patch" Liara in her Illium office to the look of the DLC.

I certainly wouldnt mind that, because I freaking love her "new" look.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 05 septembre 2010 - 10:28 .

[jlb524]

I do also love the new look.



And the old look...and any Liara look.



Her eyes are just so tragic and gorgeous in that pic! Want to cry....stops self.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jlb524 wrote...


You asume this is still just about a 'personal vendetta'? What proof is there?  I don't think there is any proof either way, to be honest.  But, maybe we are talking over each others heads....she has[/] started a galactic information war...she is taking on the Shadow Broker.  It doesn't get any more hardcore than this.    But, I never said she would take it over, but would use it to help Shepard and may work to do this through her own Info Network, with some Shadow Broker resources, but she won't take the SB's empire over and become the next Shadow Broker.   However, her 'picking it apart' may help Shepard against the Reapers.  Why do you not think this can be?

It IS about a personal vendetta. Unless you werent paying attention during her ME2 dialogue and more recently the trailer, where Liara admits its about revenge.

And she hasnt started a war over this, she is discreetly (until now it seems) trying to track down the Shadow Broker. Not topple his empire from the outside. Liara was being subtle, going through the data she finds. Shes not fighting a war, shes plotting revenge.

And Im not saying anything "cant be", I just think Liara taking what she needs from the SBs toppled empire works better and gets her back in the thick of things, as opposed to feeding it out across the game in a static and linear role as a main supporting character like TIM.

jlb524 wrote...
But, decisions about squad mates do impact the story more than in superficial ways? 

Decisions made about squadmates dont really impact the plot at all. Its not about impact, its about being there in the middle of it. Sure, Jack doesnt spout the plot shuffling dialogue that TIM does, but she can be there damn near every step of the game. That beats a standard plot device character like Anderson or TIM.

jlb524 wrote...
Really?  Even if you just leave her on the ship and never talk to her?  She's very much [i]optional, as are all squad mates...TIM, Anderson are not.  Though, I may agree with you that Liara was saved for a squad mate role...in fact, I'm qute positive that she will be.  However, I'm one Liara fan that is not opposed to her having a plot critical role that will resonate more throughout the series than a simple squad mate role.  Both are good, but both give up something special, IMO.  The 'squad mate role' gives up plot importance.....the 'plot critical role' may give up importance to Shepard on a personal level....but maybe not...depends how they would implement that.

Thats okay. You would be okay with the inferior, linear plot role ala TIM where Liara will spout dialogue to move the plot along and have very little room for any sort of romance. All Im saying is I hope thats not the case because, given Liaras ME1 role, thats by far an inferior role.

As I always say, look at Anderson. In ME1 a HUGLEY important character to the plot. What does he do? Early expoisition, nothing for the main bulk of the game, then punches Udina (possibly) and possibly becomes councillor.

And by the way, what exactly has given you the impression ME3 will follow ME2 exactly by creating only a squad near completely detached from the main plot? Liara could already have a role comparable to that of TIM or Anderson in ME3 with the right elements (e.g. this whole "possible reaper info from SB"). That way she gets both the luxeries of being "optional" with the added ones from being plot crucial. Just like her ME1 role.

Also, since ME2 set up the decisions at Noveria and Feros for a potential return, it would be a nice theme of events and characters from ME1 taking a centre role in ME3. Liara returning to her original role seems a better conclusion than an Anderson typed small plot role.

[Stormy-B]

Liara's new look is definitely awesome, I just hope it won't get weird with seeing her with one look on Illium, and then another. Unless LotSB will replace the Illium missions for her entirely?



Oh btw, 2 days left. who else got problems focusing on anything else?

[Captain Iglo]

Stormy-B wrote...

Liara's new look is definitely awesome, I just hope it won't get weird with seeing her with one look on Illium, and then another. Unless LotSB will replace the Illium missions for her entirely?

Oh btw, 2 days left. who else got problems focusing on anything else?

I try to get my very first renegade shep to the point of first meeting Liara on Illium..but with full squad except Legion.
So that I have one Shep that hasnt finished suicide mission yet.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 05 septembre 2010 - 10:36 .

[Stormy-B]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Decisions made about squadmates dont really impact the plot at all. Its not about impact, its about being there in the middle of it. Sure, Jack doesnt spout the plot shuffling dialogue that TIM does, but she can be there damn near every step of the game. That beats a standard plot device character like Anderson or TIM.

Don't forget that both are needed, the characters that are with you help shape your direct experience while playing, but the more static characters are needed for those crucial parts of information that drives the story on. None of them are less important and the game would be really weird without either.

[Erinlana]

Hey Liara thread ! ^___^

[Stormy-B]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Stormy-B wrote...

Liara's new look is definitely awesome, I just hope it won't get weird with seeing her with one look on Illium, and then another. Unless LotSB will replace the Illium missions for her entirely?

Oh btw, 2 days left. who else got problems focusing on anything else?

I try to get my very first renegade shep to the point of first meeting Liara on Illium..but with full squad except Legion.
So that I have one Shep that hasnt finished suicide mission yet.

Nice to get to see the difference in reaction, I'm doing something similar. I'm bringing my (probably) last character up from ME1, just saved Liara on Therum