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[Nerdage]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I always wondered that if Shepard and Liara succed in saving the galaxy, and help preserve some sort of multi-species council. Would their child (once grown up ofcourse) make a good specter?

i think that also depends how much time shep can spend with his daughter, howmuch he will influw ence her until he passes away.

Shepard has more than 100 years left (assuming one of the millions of mercs you kill doesn't get a lucky shot in) so it would be about as old as Liara before Shep dies, enough time to have an infulence I'd think.

[Nerevar-as]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Really? Could you give more details? 

Yeah, Im not quite sure of the specifics, but if you give her the info before finishing the data collection quests, she will summarize why she needs to find the SB (telling you about her working with Feron and Cerberus to track you down and hand you over).

As before, she is worried about Shepards reaction, but this time the positive response is FAR better, and Liara has a better response herself as well.

If you ever replay ME, try out giving Liara the SB info right away to get the dialogue.

Ill try later tonight if it works by still completing the quests (exposing Nyxeris) but not asking her for her reasons why and see if it still works (Im guessing it will).

Bottom line is though, I think letting her elaborate on why she is hunting the SB is best done with the newly added LotSB dialogue as opposed the old dialogue is just a million times better now. Its like they actually listened to the folks who said Shepard saying "I couldnt complete the mission if you hadnt given me to them" was crap, and did something about it.

It appears if you didn´t get the conversation where she explains how she handed Shepard to Cerberus. Shepard asks her how s/he ended in Cerberus hands and she gives a very quick summary of Redemption. Shepard has better response choices this time around and Liara is relieved if s/he approves. I´d rather they had modded the original dialog as this is better.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

implodinggoat wrote...

I did LOTSB post suicide mission.

What added dialogue is there if you do it beforehand?

I'd imagine I'd miss out on her chewing me out for fooling around with Miranda which was appropriately dramatic, although it nearly caused me to reload an earlier save and break up with Miranda out of fear that I'd ruined things with Liara (thankfully it worked out),

But I'd give that up for the chance to have a decent reunion with Liara in place of the confusing and depressing gut punch I got from her appearance in the main game.

There are a few significant changes to dialogue at certain points. Certain references are made by the shadow broker, and Liaras conversation on the Normandy, while following the exact same path and tone is about your going on the suicide mission instead of going off to fight the reapers in ME3 without her (presumably).

Just the ME style really, of changing the dialogue itself, but things dont really follow much of a different course overall. Still rewarding though in some respects at least.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

nerdage wrote...

Captain Iglo wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I always wondered that if Shepard and Liara succed in saving the galaxy, and help preserve some sort of multi-species council. Would their child (once grown up ofcourse) make a good specter?

i think that also depends how much time shep can spend with his daughter, howmuch he will influw ence her until he passes away.

Shepard has more than 100 years left (assuming one of the millions of mercs you kill doesn't get a lucky shot in) so it would be about as old as Liara before Shep dies, enough time to have an infulence I'd think.

Hopefully it will be some good influence so she won't turn into something like Vasir or worse Saren!

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Nerevar-as wrote...

It appears if you didn´t get the conversation where she explains how she handed Shepard to Cerberus. Shepard asks her how s/he ended in Cerberus hands and she gives a very quick summary of Redemption. Shepard has better response choices this time around and Liara is relieved if s/he approves. I´d rather they had modded the original dialog as this is better.

Yeah, I figured that was the case.

Generally speaking I think its actually good, because a lot of people missed the original (inferior) dialogue from Liara anyway about how she handed Shepard over, so if missing that dialogue is the reason for her explaining, its another great save really.

If thats the only variable involved in getting it, Ill deliberately skip it every time now and simply ask with the LotSB dialogue where you can thank Liara for saving your life instead of saying "derp, u dun teh ryt fing, teh mishin iz importunt" .

[Nerevar-as]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

It appears if you didn´t get the conversation where she explains how she handed Shepard to Cerberus. Shepard asks her how s/he ended in Cerberus hands and she gives a very quick summary of Redemption. Shepard has better response choices this time around and Liara is relieved if s/he approves. I´d rather they had modded the original dialog as this is better.

Yeah, I figured that was the case.

Generally speaking I think its actually good, because a lot of people missed the original (inferior) dialogue from Liara anyway about how she handed Shepard over, so if missing that dialogue is the reason for her explaining, its another great save really.

If thats the only variable involved in getting it, Ill deliberately skip it every time now and simply ask with the LotSB dialogue where you can thank Liara for saving your life instead of saying "derp, u dun teh ryt fing, teh mishin iz importunt" .

Same here. I think there are no more variables involved. Had just finished with Nyxeris and avoided asking about the "reason for anger" option.

Wonder is this was the plan all along after cutting most of Liara from the original game. Have you think she had moved on and then throw at your face she hadn´t. Anyway I think the only common complaint not addressed from the game was the helmet issue.

[HomicidialFrog]

Lizardviking wrote...

nerdage wrote...

Captain Iglo wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I always wondered that if Shepard and Liara succed in saving the galaxy, and help preserve some sort of multi-species council. Would their child (once grown up ofcourse) make a good specter?

i think that also depends how much time shep can spend with his daughter, howmuch he will influw ence her until he passes away.

Shepard has more than 100 years left (assuming one of the millions of mercs you kill doesn't get a lucky shot in) so it would be about as old as Liara before Shep dies, enough time to have an infulence I'd think.

Hopefully it will be some good influence so she won't turn into something like Vasir or worse Saren!

Saren wasn't that bad. He was just a Turian Shepard but with different ideas on how to survive the Reapers Saren said the best way to survive them is to surrender, while Shepard says the best way to survive is to try and kick their asses. Saren is basically a realist, while Shepard thinks that they may aswell all die before they become slaves.

Oh, and it's Shepard and Liara's daughter. It'd be the most kick-ass Spectre that ever lived.

Modifié par HomicidialFrog, 13 septembre 2010 - 10:00 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

nerdage wrote...

Captain Iglo wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I always wondered that if Shepard and Liara succed in saving the galaxy, and help preserve some sort of multi-species council. Would their child (once grown up ofcourse) make a good specter?

i think that also depends how much time shep can spend with his daughter, howmuch he will influw ence her until he passes away.

Shepard has more than 100 years left (assuming one of the millions of mercs you kill doesn't get a lucky shot in) so it would be about as old as Liara before Shep dies, enough time to have an infulence I'd think.

Hopefully it will be some good influence so she won't turn into something like Vasir or worse Saren!

Saren wasn't that bad. He was just a Turian Shepard but with different ideas on how to survive the Reapers Saren said the best way to survive them is to surrender, while Shepard says the best way to survive is to try and kick their asses. Saren is basically a realist, while Shepard thinks that they may aswell all die before they become slaves.

He was still an **** before that.

[HomicidialFrog]

Lizardviking wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

nerdage wrote...

Captain Iglo wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I always wondered that if Shepard and Liara succed in saving the galaxy, and help preserve some sort of multi-species council. Would their child (once grown up ofcourse) make a good specter?

i think that also depends how much time shep can spend with his daughter, howmuch he will influw ence her until he passes away.

Shepard has more than 100 years left (assuming one of the millions of mercs you kill doesn't get a lucky shot in) so it would be about as old as Liara before Shep dies, enough time to have an infulence I'd think.

Hopefully it will be some good influence so she won't turn into something like Vasir or worse Saren!

Saren wasn't that bad. He was just a Turian Shepard but with different ideas on how to survive the Reapers Saren said the best way to survive them is to surrender, while Shepard says the best way to survive is to try and kick their asses. Saren is basically a realist, while Shepard thinks that they may aswell all die before they become slaves.

He was still an **** before that.

He's an **** yes, a big one. But from the looks of it he does things to protect the Galaxy.

He's just a Renegade Shepard. "Ends justify the means, no exceptions."

[Nerevar-as]

Only if Shepard was a human first - to hell everyone else renegade. Read Revelation f you still haven´t. Anderson´s opinion of him is quite reliable. He wanted Sovereign to impose turian power.

[HomicidialFrog]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Only if Shepard was a human first - to hell everyone else renegade. Read Revelation f you still haven´t. Anderson´s opinion of him is quite reliable. He wanted Sovereign to impose turian power.

Still in a grey area IMO.

But anyway, this is a Liara thread.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Only if Shepard was a human first - to hell everyone else renegade. Read Revelation f you still haven´t. Anderson´s opinion of him is quite reliable. He wanted Sovereign to impose turian power.

Still in a grey area IMO.

But anyway, this is a Liara thread.

Yeah. Let's return to the original question.

Shepard and Liara's daugther becoming a specter?

Yay or nay?

If yay: How would she fare? Would she have the same sort of morallity like her parrents? Or would she become the opposite?

[Nerevar-as]

Living up to their fame could be quite a challenge. Would be an interesting story to see. Couldn´t do worse than Cailan in that sense I hope. Pity there´s no canon here. Would be nice if in ME4 they took the DA2 route and had small cameos depending on the ME1-3 choices.

[starwarschewy]

Lizardviking wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Only if Shepard was a human first - to hell everyone else renegade. Read Revelation f you still haven´t. Anderson´s opinion of him is quite reliable. He wanted Sovereign to impose turian power.

Still in a grey area IMO.

But anyway, this is a Liara thread.

Yeah. Let's return to the original question.

Shepard and Liara's daugther becoming a specter?

Yay or nay?

If yay: How would she fare? Would she have the same sort of morallity like her parrents? Or would she become the opposite?

 i would like to see this in ME4

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I have to go to bed now. Goodnight!

[HomicidialFrog]

Lizardviking wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Only if Shepard was a human first - to hell everyone else renegade. Read Revelation f you still haven´t. Anderson´s opinion of him is quite reliable. He wanted Sovereign to impose turian power.

Still in a grey area IMO.

But anyway, this is a Liara thread.

Yeah. Let's return to the original question.

Shepard and Liara's daugther becoming a specter?

Yay or nay?

If yay: How would she fare? Would she have the same sort of morallity like her parrents? Or would she become the opposite?

Depends on how Shepard and Liara raise her. She'd definatly be a good fighter (My Soldier Sheps, muscles, guns and health with Liara's biotics= Ownage.) so there's no doubt about that. Hell my Shep will be training her how to kick ass and chew bubblegum all the years he with her until his death. I imagine Shep's life will be extended to maybe 200-400 with the Cybernetics. He/She will probally see her grow into an adult, kinda unfair on other Human-Asari fathers who probally won't see them that long but hey. That's their fault.

And Liara will probally teach her biotics.

[golak]

nerdage wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Consider if you will, the following;

The climax of ME3; the final boss, whatever it may be, lies defeated. Shepard and Liara stand before what will stop the Reapers once and for all. But they find out that in order to do this, a price must be paid. A life must be sacrificed. Shepard volunteers, and makes for it. Liara tries to talk him/her out of it, fails, and is forced to put Shepard in a stasis. Then she makes the sacrifice herself, saving Shepard one last time.

So, boom, the Reapers are defeated, eveyone rejoices, except for one Spectre, holding the lifeless body of the one person in the universe they could ever love. Fade to black aaannnnnnnd...

*MISSION COMPLETE SCREEN AND ACCOMPANYING MUSIC*

Speaking personally, I would be like "Kill..."

Aww. I don't think I could take take it if Liara dies in the end. I already couldn't take seeing one the endings to DA on youtube!

If that's how the ending actually goes I'd be thinking more along the lines of:

"Critical mission failure"
/reload

I can't imagine how the reapers could only be stopped by someone killing themselves but if that's how it is then it isn't going to be Liara, I can assure you. Either way though, I hope there's some dialogue after the last boss in ME3, more than in ME2 at least.

diffently need a ending like DA if the warden dies or a big party in pure Ewoke style like they did on Endor it whould be sweet to see zaeed get drunk and tell thane to get he's hands of Jessi

[Cypher0020]

well my sheps are either vanguards or adepts....so that's a lot of biotic ability right there



How do you guys think Shep will age? gracefully? not so much? Lets look at Zaaed...he's 50ish or 60ish...



Think about it. 100 years after ME3 is 2285. Shepard would be 132..... and Liara 208-9 giveo r take.....still barely in her maidan years and their kid would prbbaly be the human equivelent of a preteen....



Do you think Shepard will be the same? Still a Spectre, plugging bad guys? Or will he/she be confined to a rocking chair in the Citadel Home for Vets?



I can't...picture Shep being a century old.... and dying.... leaving Liara and their kid....



Honestly....can any of you see Shepard living that long?

[Jaron Oberyn]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

I did LOTSB post suicide mission.

What added dialogue is there if you do it beforehand?

I'd imagine I'd miss out on her chewing me out for fooling around with Miranda which was appropriately dramatic, although it nearly caused me to reload an earlier save and break up with Miranda out of fear that I'd ruined things with Liara (thankfully it worked out),

But I'd give that up for the chance to have a decent reunion with Liara in place of the confusing and depressing gut punch I got from her appearance in the main game.

There are a few significant changes to dialogue at certain points. Certain references are made by the shadow broker, and Liaras conversation on the Normandy, while following the exact same path and tone is about your going on the suicide mission instead of going off to fight the reapers in ME3 without her (presumably).

Just the ME style really, of changing the dialogue itself, but things dont really follow much of a different course overall. Still rewarding though in some respects at least.

Are there any videos of her mentioning you cheating on her with someone else? I didn't do it on my playthrough but heard some people say mixed reports about what she says. Just curious.

-Polite

[implodinggoat]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

I did LOTSB post suicide mission.

What added dialogue is there if you do it beforehand?

I'd imagine I'd miss out on her chewing me out for fooling around with Miranda which was appropriately dramatic, although it nearly caused me to reload an earlier save and break up with Miranda out of fear that I'd ruined things with Liara (thankfully it worked out),

But I'd give that up for the chance to have a decent reunion with Liara in place of the confusing and depressing gut punch I got from her appearance in the main game.

There are a few significant changes to dialogue at certain points. Certain references are made by the shadow broker, and Liaras conversation on the Normandy, while following the exact same path and tone is about your going on the suicide mission instead of going off to fight the reapers in ME3 without her (presumably).

Just the ME style really, of changing the dialogue itself, but things dont really follow much of a different course overall. Still rewarding though in some respects at least.

Are there any videos of her mentioning you cheating on her with someone else? I didn't do it on my playthrough but heard some people say mixed reports about what she says. Just curious.

-Polite

It happens after you finish off the Asari Spectre during the section of dialogue with the paragon interrupts.  If you trigger all three interupts, after the third you'll say something about how Liara ran after the Spectre without checking to see if you're okay and she responds by saying something about you getting familiar wih your ME2 love interest in my case Miranda.  At that point Shepard gets irritated, drops the subject and you move on to the second part of the mission on the Shadow Broker's ship.

It's very well delivered.  Liara is being very self righteouss about her asanine interest in the Shadowbroker and when you confront her on putting her vendetta above you, she shuts you down by bringing up your ME2 love interest. 

It really got to me because the scene ends with the feeling that your relationship is over.  As a result I nearly started the whole mission over so I could break things off with Miranda first; but at the end of LOTSB you can still patch things up.

Out of curiosity how does she react after that third interrupt if you didn't hook up with someone?

Modifié par implodinggoat, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:58 .

[Fiannawolf]

With my loyal femshep, after the 3rd interupt she was like "Want me to hack more terminals?!" And Liara response is something along the lines of "Thats not fair!" Then they have a talk about thier relationship and its current damaged status and how Liara feels distant from it all. In reality she's hiding from the pain cause she doesnt want to love shep enough again to get hurt/morn if Shep dies once more.

[Jaron Oberyn]

@ImplodingGoat - she basically says she wants to focus on the mission first, and talk about it later. From what I remember. So when she mentioned Miranda, was she angry or calm?



-Polite

[JamieCOTC]

Shepard: I want to talk about us.

Liara: Shepard, I'm glad you're back, but ...

Shepard: (snarky) Worried you might need me to hack more terminals?

Liara: That's not fair. You were dead.

Shepard: I cam back.

Liara: (looks exhausted, overwhelmed) I can't do this right now. Let's just concentrate on getting Feron.

Shepard: (Curtly) Fine.

[AndroLeonidas]

Cypher0020 wrote...

well my sheps are either vanguards or adepts....so that's a lot of biotic ability right there

How do you guys think Shep will age? gracefully? not so much? Lets look at Zaaed...he's 50ish or 60ish...

Think about it. 100 years after ME3 is 2285. Shepard would be 132..... and Liara 208-9 giveo r take.....still barely in her maidan years and their kid would prbbaly be the human equivelent of a preteen....

Do you think Shepard will be the same? Still a Spectre, plugging bad guys? Or will he/she be confined to a rocking chair in the Citadel Home for Vets?

I can't...picture Shep being a century old.... and dying.... leaving Liara and their kid....

Honestly....can any of you see Shepard living that long?

Miranda states she will live half again as long as the average human. The Bio-synthetic Fusion process used on Shepard is far more advanced than what was used for her. I can see Shepard living to around 300-400 years old considering what he is made of now.