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[Mykel54]

Something i´ve been wondering recently is why liara say so often to shepard "i thought you were dead" when in reality she is pretty much responsible for giving a chance to shepard to resurrect via cerberus. I mean, do you really think liara can move on, and at the same time give shepard to cerberus?

To me it looked like liara wanted shepard alive again because of the romance. I mean, once liara and feron rescued shepard remains, they could bury it right? Why would liara give it to cerberus, if not for any sentimental reasons? Of course this doesn´t make sense if shepard don´t romance liara, but still, i don´t understand why liara is so reticent to romance at first if she chose to bring shepard back to life with cerberus. I would like to know what other people think about this.

[Gibb_Garrus]

Yeah i disliked how Liara seemed so against the romance at first. It made me feel like a desperate bastard, asking her to come back to me when she was constantly refusing. Only at the end does she finally give in.

[ValerioN7]

Mykel54 wrote...

Something i´ve been wondering recently is why liara say so often to shepard "i thought you were dead" when in reality she is pretty much responsible for giving a chance to shepard to resurrect via cerberus. I mean, do you really think liara can move on, and at the same time give shepard to cerberus?

To me it looked like liara wanted shepard alive again because of the romance. I mean, once liara and feron rescued shepard remains, they could bury it right? Why would liara give it to cerberus, if not for any sentimental reasons? Of course this doesn´t make sense if shepard don´t romance liara, but still, i don´t understand why liara is so reticent to romance at first if she chose to bring shepard back to life with cerberus. I would like to know what other people think about this.

Surely she felt really bad for Shepard's dead, and she don't want to suffer again if Shepard will die fighting the Reapers. But at the end she only wants Shepard's love, you can see that with the Paragon interrupts, she's only scared and confused because of that SB's stuff.

A hugh, a kiss, and the promise that Shepard will come back from the Reapers battle for having a normal life. This is what Liara wanted before Shepard's dead, and this is the hope for which she fought for 2 years. Not only for saving Feron, i can't see her being so much attached to a mercenary for fighting 2 years, but for having Shepard and his promise of a new life back.

Modifié par ValerioN7, 14 septembre 2010 - 11:40 .

[Marcin K]

ok i'm signing off-have to go to workshops soon

[Nerevar-as]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Yeah i disliked how Liara seemed so against the romance at first. It made me feel like a desperate bastard, asking her to come back to me when she was constantly refusing. Only at the end does she finally give in.

She also seemed so afraid Shepard would reject her for leaving him/her to Cerberus that she didn´t dare to try and reconnect. Could be a self-fulfilling fear depending on how Shepard was played. I was surprised so many people fell for such an obvious set up.

[Gibb_Garrus]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Yeah i disliked how Liara seemed so against the romance at first. It made me feel like a desperate bastard, asking her to come back to me when she was constantly refusing. Only at the end does she finally give in.

She also seemed so afraid Shepard would reject her for leaving him/her to Cerberus that she didn´t dare to try and reconnect. Could be a self-fulfilling fear depending on how Shepard was played. I was surprised so many people fell for such an obvious set up.

set up? what do you mean?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Yeah i disliked how Liara seemed so against the romance at first. It made me feel like a desperate bastard, asking her to come back to me when she was constantly refusing. Only at the end does she finally give in.

She also seemed so afraid Shepard would reject her for leaving him/her to Cerberus that she didn´t dare to try and reconnect. Could be a self-fulfilling fear depending on how Shepard was played. I was surprised so many people fell for such an obvious set up.

set up? what do you mean?

Bioware wanted you to cheat on your ME1 LI. So in Liara's case they had her act distant and cold towards Shepard, making the player believe that she had moved on (or worse, her "friend" being more than she claims), of course she had reasons to act like she did (fear of Shepard hating her, not wanting to get hurt again etc.), but many people saw it as a sign that the flame between Liara and Shepard was extingiushed.

[sumof all fear]

Lizardviking wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Yeah i disliked how Liara seemed so against the romance at first. It made me feel like a desperate bastard, asking her to come back to me when she was constantly refusing. Only at the end does she finally give in.

She also seemed so afraid Shepard would reject her for leaving him/her to Cerberus that she didn´t dare to try and reconnect. Could be a self-fulfilling fear depending on how Shepard was played. I was surprised so many people fell for such an obvious set up.

set up? what do you mean?

Bioware wanted you to cheat on your ME1 LI. So in Liara's case they had her act distant and cold towards Shepard, making the player believe that she had moved on (or worse, her "friend" being more than she claims), of course she had reasons to act like she did (fear of Shepard hating her, not wanting to get hurt again etc.), but many people saw it as a sign that the flame between Liara and Shepard was extingiushed.

Not trying to justify the cheaters but, think about this from shepard's perspective.

He gets killed and wakes up 2 years later to find that virtually overnight everyone has abandoned him.  think how devistating it would be to find that while you've been sleeping everyone has left you, you were fired and your home/car was burned down.  Then when he goes an talks to anyone they said they've simply moved on, but you have no period of adjustment. the shock of this has got to be devistating, so I can understand why he may seem despirate to reconnect with anyone and everyone.

[Gibb_Garrus]

Lizardviking wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Yeah i disliked how Liara seemed so against the romance at first. It made me feel like a desperate bastard, asking her to come back to me when she was constantly refusing. Only at the end does she finally give in.

She also seemed so afraid Shepard would reject her for leaving him/her to Cerberus that she didn´t dare to try and reconnect. Could be a self-fulfilling fear depending on how Shepard was played. I was surprised so many people fell for such an obvious set up.

set up? what do you mean?

Bioware wanted you to cheat on your ME1 LI. So in Liara's case they had her act distant and cold towards Shepard, making the player believe that she had moved on (or worse, her "friend" being more than she claims), of course she had reasons to act like she did (fear of Shepard hating her, not wanting to get hurt again etc.), but many people saw it as a sign that the flame between Liara and Shepard was extingiushed.

Do you feel differently now after LOTSB? Or do you still think bioware are trying to push us away from liara?

Modifié par Gibb_Garrus, 14 septembre 2010 - 01:42 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Yeah i disliked how Liara seemed so against the romance at first. It made me feel like a desperate bastard, asking her to come back to me when she was constantly refusing. Only at the end does she finally give in.

She also seemed so afraid Shepard would reject her for leaving him/her to Cerberus that she didn´t dare to try and reconnect. Could be a self-fulfilling fear depending on how Shepard was played. I was surprised so many people fell for such an obvious set up.

set up? what do you mean?

Bioware wanted you to cheat on your ME1 LI. So in Liara's case they had her act distant and cold towards Shepard, making the player believe that she had moved on (or worse, her "friend" being more than she claims), of course she had reasons to act like she did (fear of Shepard hating her, not wanting to get hurt again etc.), but many people saw it as a sign that the flame between Liara and Shepard was extingiushed.

Do you feel differently now after LOTSB? Or do you still think bioware are trying to push us away from liara?

I think LOTSB was a way for Bioware to make the "love triangle" not horribly one sided in favor of the ME2 LI, and give evidence that the ME1 LI (in this case Liara) still loves Shepard and is willing to continue if the player wants to. And if they don't, then the choice is givin to break with up with her.

[sumof all fear]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Yeah i disliked how Liara seemed so against the romance at first. It made me feel like a desperate bastard, asking her to come back to me when she was constantly refusing. Only at the end does she finally give in.

She also seemed so afraid Shepard would reject her for leaving him/her to Cerberus that she didn´t dare to try and reconnect. Could be a self-fulfilling fear depending on how Shepard was played. I was surprised so many people fell for such an obvious set up.

set up? what do you mean?

Bioware wanted you to cheat on your ME1 LI. So in Liara's case they had her act distant and cold towards Shepard, making the player believe that she had moved on (or worse, her "friend" being more than she claims), of course she had reasons to act like she did (fear of Shepard hating her, not wanting to get hurt again etc.), but many people saw it as a sign that the flame between Liara and Shepard was extingiushed.

Do you feel differently now after LOTSB? Or do you still think bioware are trying to push us away from liara?

I think they want to include her, and I think they want us to remember her, but I don't think they want her to be like tali or miri, I suspect this is the same reason that she is the only character that cannot die in the serise that was recruitable.  I suspect it is a plot device that will act as the continuance device to start the third game.  

not that we need to be pushed away from her, just away from the idea of the old liara.  the old liara was less than shepard, more of a minion.  I think they're pushing twords a liara that is equal to shepard someone who can actually stand next to you on the battle field rather than behind you.

[vigna]

Well, I think there will be a similar "set-up" for the VS LI. At this point it seems logical.



I still think the way Bioware structured Liara's absence from ME2 to her story in LOTSB did her character as much justice as possible. ME2 threw us for continuous loops as role-players...Shephard dies, Liara was distant, etc. the same for the VS.

[Deturis90]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Yeah i disliked how Liara seemed so against the romance at first. It made me feel like a desperate bastard, asking her to come back to me when she was constantly refusing. Only at the end does she finally give in.

She also seemed so afraid Shepard would reject her for leaving him/her to Cerberus that she didn´t dare to try and reconnect. Could be a self-fulfilling fear depending on how Shepard was played. I was surprised so many people fell for such an obvious set up.

set up? what do you mean?

Bioware wanted you to cheat on your ME1 LI. So in Liara's case they had her act distant and cold towards Shepard, making the player believe that she had moved on (or worse, her "friend" being more than she claims), of course she had reasons to act like she did (fear of Shepard hating her, not wanting to get hurt again etc.), but many people saw it as a sign that the flame between Liara and Shepard was extingiushed.

Do you feel differently now after LOTSB? Or do you still think bioware are trying to push us away from liara?

Yes I do. Because now I can say that I played whole Mass Effect 2, ME2 without Liara (as a major character)... it was not the same game I played 2-3 years ago.
Now I'm waiting for next DLC and I hope it will be with VS.

[Nerevar-as]

"New" Liara is the only squadie who is not a minion. While getting to her current status quo wouldn´t work ME2 gameplay (all character related missions were way shorter than LotSB), they could have written her main game cameo far better and don´t go for the cheating/love triangle/whatever angle. Shepard not being able to call her out as in the DLC felt really forced.



At least LotSB had great writing and fixed most issues. Just check what we said some pages back about Liara becoming the new SB. Almost nobody believed that would work.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I'm sure they did want to at least give you a big incentive you to cheat in your ME1 LI, but it seems after LOtSB that this was to create some tension for ME3, in which Liara and possibly Kaidan/Ash will play a more major role, even if it is not directly as a squadmate.

[ValerioN7]

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

I'm sure they did want to at least give you a big incentive you to cheat in your ME1 LI, but it seems after LOtSB that this was to create some tension for ME3, in which Liara and possibly Kaidan/Ash will play a more major role, even if it is not directly as a squadmate.

Or a big tentation. I think that us faithful to Liara since ME1 will have a great reward in ME3:wub:

@Deturis:

The tutorial isn't working, any idea?

Modifié par ValerioN7, 14 septembre 2010 - 04:09 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

2 things I thought of:

First. Anybody else think that Vasir mocked Liara (and perhaps certain Shepards?) with the "I've heard that losing a parent is just horrific for children, scars them for life!" line? She proberly knew that Benezia was working with Saren and Liara killed her along with Shepard.

Secondly. Maybe it's just me, but I wish Liara would also comment on the 2 "unofficial" romances of the game in the DLC.

"Kelly seems to do more than just feeding your fish!"

"Seems to me you much rather know more about Samara than just her code!"

[Deturis90]

@Deturis:

The tutorial isn't working, any idea?

Maybe they changed something on forums :|
I don't know really what you can do, it seems that you have to buy a copy of Dragon Age to change your avatar : /

[pf17456]

Lizardviking wrote...

2 things I thought of:

First. Anybody else think that Vasir mocked Liara (and perhaps certain Shepards?) with the "I've heard that losing a parent is just horrific for children, scars them for life!" line? She proberly knew that Benezia was working with Saren and Liara killed her along with Shepard.

Secondly. Maybe it's just me, but I wish Liara would also comment on the 2 "unofficial" romances of the game in the DLC.

"Kelly seems to do more than just feeding your fish!"

"Seems to me you much rather know more about Samara than just her code!"

Vasir also called Liara a 'pureblood ****' and her comment 'She's really into ugly' could be somewhat insulting to certain Shepards. 

As far as Liara commenting on Shepard's indiscretions I believe it's likely that that train has left the station as far as that type of romance hurdle is concerned, that is unless Shepard continues to invite Kelly up to the cabin post SB DLC in which case I could see conflict arising but barring that I'd be curious to see what other crew members have to say about Liara whether or not an LI status exists. Kelly, Joker, Miranda, Chakwas, Garrus , Tali and Kasumi all could have some interesting comments. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

yorkj86 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

2 things I thought of:

First. Anybody else think that Vasir mocked Liara (and perhaps certain Shepards?) with the "I've heard that losing a parent is just horrific for children, scars them for life!" line? She proberly knew that Benezia was working with Saren and Liara killed her along with Shepard.

Secondly. Maybe it's just me, but I wish Liara would also comment on the 2 "unofficial" romances of the game in the DLC.

"Kelly seems to do more than just feeding your fish!"

"Seems to me you much rather know more about Samara than just her code!"

I like Liara as much as the next Liarafan, but if she somehow knew about Samara or Kelly, my Shepard would become really suspicious about how she knew that, and I might, personally, think people are justified in saying that Liara is a bit obsessive.

Didn't you know? Liara is the most crazy and most obsessive character in the game!

[Deturis90]

Lizardviking wrote...

Didn't you know? Liara is the most crazy and most obsessive character in the game!

This.

*thinks*

Modifié par Deturis90, 14 septembre 2010 - 05:41 .

[JamieCOTC]

Lizardviking wrote...

2 things I thought of:

First. Anybody else think that Vasir mocked Liara (and perhaps certain Shepards?) with the "I've heard that losing a parent is just horrific for children, scars them for life!" line? She proberly knew that Benezia was working with Saren and Liara killed her along with Shepard.

Secondly. Maybe it's just me, but I wish Liara would also comment on the 2 "unofficial" romances of the game in the DLC.

"Kelly seems to do more than just feeding your fish!"

"Seems to me you much rather know more about Samara than just her code!"

1.I think that was very intentional, but was directed specifically at Liara.  That it could hit certain Shepards, like mine, was just a “bonus”. 
2.Yeah, I think it’s only fair that if Shep gets to ask about Feron, Liara should ask about Kelly or Samara. 

[brivdl1]

if liara is possessive over my shepard ... it's ok I want