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[Deturis90]

Lizardviking wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I've finished ME1 about 13 times. In one I've romanced Ashley. In all the others I have romanced Liara. So you can safely assume I am a Liara fan. Having said that, I have the feeling that Liara will be corrupted by the power she has now that she is the Shadow Broker. This thread must contain the largest number of Liara fans on the forum. I am interested about what you think about that. Thoughts?

I don't think Liara would backstab Shepard during the Reaper invasion. But what happens after the galaxy's been saved is a question. Hopefully she won't get corrupted by the power she now holds, perhaps she will leave the position to Feron so she can get married with Shepard and live happily ever after!

But if she does get corrupted.... Then I hope we can join her on a mad power trip!

I <3 Evil!Liara.

PS: Do you like the fanfic I wrote? It's on this same page (1959).

It would be very... very cool !
Shepard as King and Liara Queen of the whole Galaxy after killing the reapers, TIM etc. !
 /evil mode off

Modifié par Deturis90, 16 septembre 2010 - 07:37 .

[Captain Iglo]

Lizardviking wrote...

-fanfic-

very nice...a nice read that begs for more

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

-fanfic-

very nice...a nice read that begs for more

Thank you.

Also to everyone who read the fic: Was there any part you specificly liked? Or was there something about the story as a whole that you enjoyed? I will also ask the same question regarding bad things in the fic, something you didn't like (aside from gramma issues)?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Deturis90 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I've finished ME1 about 13 times. In one I've romanced Ashley. In all the others I have romanced Liara. So you can safely assume I am a Liara fan. Having said that, I have the feeling that Liara will be corrupted by the power she has now that she is the Shadow Broker. This thread must contain the largest number of Liara fans on the forum. I am interested about what you think about that. Thoughts?

I don't think Liara would backstab Shepard during the Reaper invasion. But what happens after the galaxy's been saved is a question. Hopefully she won't get corrupted by the power she now holds, perhaps she will leave the position to Feron so she can get married with Shepard and live happily ever after!

But if she does get corrupted.... Then I hope we can join her on a mad power trip!

I <3 Evil!Liara.

PS: Do you like the fanfic I wrote? It's on this same page (1959).

It would be very... very cool !
Shepard as King and Liara Queen of the whole Galaxy after killing the reapers, TIM etc. !
 /evil mode off

<3

I remember we once had a discussion in thread about if Liara ever joined the dark side and became Darth T'soni. We concluded that she would have a Volus messenge that would either get beaten by Asari commandos or flayed alive depending on how bad news were. And she would have a elite squad of Vorcha stormtroopers.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Lizardviking wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I've finished ME1 about 13 times. In one I've romanced Ashley. In all the others I have romanced Liara. So you can safely assume I am a Liara fan. Having said that, I have the feeling that Liara will be corrupted by the power she has now that she is the Shadow Broker. This thread must contain the largest number of Liara fans on the forum. I am interested about what you think about that. Thoughts?

I don't think Liara would backstab Shepard during the Reaper invasion. But what happens after the galaxy's been saved is a question. Hopefully she won't get corrupted by the power she now holds, perhaps she will leave the position to Feron so she can get married with Shepard and live happily ever after!

But if she does get corrupted.... Then I hope we can join her on a mad power trip!

I <3 Evil!Liara.

PS: Do you like the fanfic I wrote? It's on this same page (1959).

I don't think Liara would backstab Shepard either. But  Shepard death sure has changed her. From the Benezia quote on Illium to the "start a war in ten minutes" while flapping her arms like Aria (during "I am Omega").

About your story...

Some of what you wrote ends up in conversation when she asks you how you are really doing. If you answer that you feel frustrated then Shepard will mention most of what you wrote. Cool.

My Shepards recognize a lot of your story as well.

Thanks for that.

It looks like you have hope for that relation. I had another mindset. I was disappointed in how BioWare initially handled Liara. I am still not sure if the LotSB (which is a great DLC, BTW) is a real improvement over the way she approaches you in the hacking missions. Liara feels like she is sad from the beginning to the end of LotSB. Nothing cheers her up. Even the "Come back soon" lines feel depressed. When you visit the SB's ship after Liara had the tour on the Normandy her greeting is kind of cold as well.

Half of my Shepards are trying to keep the relation and hope there are chances to improve things in ME3. The other half have ended it. They gave up. Depression is not on their wish list.

[ValerioN7]

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[HomicidialFrog]

Has anyone else been noticing there's a few Anti-Liara Talimancers ripping on Liara on the ME2 Storyline board?



Like really RIPPING into her...I smell jealously...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Has anyone else been noticing there's a few Anti-Liara Talimancers ripping on Liara on the ME2 Storyline board?

Like really RIPPING into her...I smell jealously...

Lol really? Could you give an example?

[HomicidialFrog]

Lizardviking wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Has anyone else been noticing there's a few Anti-Liara Talimancers ripping on Liara on the ME2 Storyline board?

Like really RIPPING into her...I smell jealously...

Lol really? Could you give an example?

I stress "few" but I've seen a couple, there's probally more.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/4812980

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/2017072

It seems Talimancers are debating that Liara is going to betray Shepard because she's the Shadow Broker.

And she apprantly doesn't really like Shepard anymore. Ya know, despite what she went through to get him/her back.

Apprantly she's the MOST likely to betray Shepard. There actually just mixing up that she would be the effective betrayal with all her information.

There's way more potentional betrayers and Liara is probally along with Grunt, Wrex and Thane the LEAST likely to betray Shepard.

Modifié par HomicidialFrog, 16 septembre 2010 - 08:20 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Has anyone else been noticing there's a few Anti-Liara Talimancers ripping on Liara on the ME2 Storyline board?

Like really RIPPING into her...I smell jealously...

Lol really? Could you give an example?

I stress "few" but I've seen a couple, there's probally more.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/4812980

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/2017072

I wouldn't call those two post "ripping" into the character. Althrough I must admit the 6 months old post where someone suggested she might be an AY make me facepalm abit.

[AngryFrozenWater]

almostinsane wrote...

[...]

Anyway, for anyone interested, I wrote a short fanfiction after playing Lair of the Shadow Broker:

http://www.fanfictio..._Moment_in_Time

Well written too. Thanks.

It indirectly answers my question.

You know... I still have the feeling that she won't give up her power that easy.

"Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship." - George Orwell (Nineteen Eighty-Four).

She was too eager and made up her mind too fast to take over.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 16 septembre 2010 - 08:23 .

[HomicidialFrog]

Lizardviking wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Has anyone else been noticing there's a few Anti-Liara Talimancers ripping on Liara on the ME2 Storyline board?

Like really RIPPING into her...I smell jealously...

Lol really? Could you give an example?

I stress "few" but I've seen a couple, there's probally more.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/4812980

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/2017072

I wouldn't call those two post "ripping" into the character. Althrough I must admit the 6 months old post where someone suggested she might be an AY make me facepalm abit.

Go to the newest pages those two have started again.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

almostinsane wrote...

[...]

Anyway, for anyone interested, I wrote a short fanfiction after playing Lair of the Shadow Broker:

http://www.fanfictio..._Moment_in_Time

Well wriiten too. Thanks.

It indirectly answers my question.

You know... I still have the feeling that she won't give up her power that easy.

"Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship." - George Orwell (Nineteen Eighty-Four).

She was too eager and made up her mind too fast to take over.

To almostinsane: Decent fic. Liked it.

I have a feeling that the power might overhvelm her. And Shepard might have to use the power of love to have her let go of being the SB!

But seriously. She might get consumed of the whole SB thing, but Shepard will be there to stop it and remind her of who she really is.

[HomicidialFrog]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

almostinsane wrote...

[...]

Anyway, for anyone interested, I wrote a short fanfiction after playing Lair of the Shadow Broker:

http://www.fanfictio..._Moment_in_Time

Well written too. Thanks.

It indirectly answers my question.

You know... I still have the feeling that she won't give up her power that easy.

"Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship." - George Orwell (Nineteen Eighty-Four).

She was too eager and made up her mind too fast to take over.

Your forgetting who your talking about, this is a woman who went through hell and back to recover a body for a tiny chance that he/she may come back.

Then afterwards wanted revenge on the Man who is torturing the friend who is probally the reason Liara didn't fail and spent two years plotting a rescue and revenge mission.

Then after that saw an oppurtunity to help Shepard as a partner instead of just another many Underlings that Shepard has.

Then allowed Shepard to access any information he/she wants.

If Liara was to be taken of every trait she had but her largest trait where to be spared, she'd still have her loyalty.

[ValerioN7]

Lizardviking wrote...
To almostinsane: Decent fic. Liked it.

I have a feeling that the power might overhvelm her. And Shepard might have to use the power of love to have her let go of being the SB!

But seriously. She might get consumed of the whole SB thing, but Shepard will be there to stop it and remind her of who she really is.

Shepard won't let Liara be corrupted by the power, also because in fact some of the shadow broker's power belongs to Shepard now, the power isn't all into Liara's hands.

I'm sure that in ME3 she will be back soon, really soon.

Modifié par ValerioN7, 16 septembre 2010 - 08:33 .

[Asheer_Khan]

ValerioN7 wrote...

Two new images added on DA.

Hope you guys like it.



http://valerion7.dev...-Gift-179469605



http://valerion7.dev...paper-179469517

My DeviantART profile

That's really great wallpaper and i hope that one day we will see young (insert name here) T'soni - Shepard in action :wub:

[AngryFrozenWater]

That first thread was one in which I posted as well. I think the DLC raises more questions than it answers. Now... Let's hope that I won't be placed in the camp of trying to rip Liara apart. I've spend too much time on Liara to hate her.

[ValerioN7]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

ValerioN7 wrote...

Two new images added on DA.

Hope you guys like it.

http://valerion7.dev...-Gift-179469605

http://valerion7.dev...paper-179469517

My DeviantART profile

That's really great wallpaper and i hope that one day we will see young (insert name here) T'soni - Shepard in action :wub:

Thank you!

I will call her Liara Shepard, or if she has to mantain Liara's surname Benezia Aethyta T'Soni.

But most likely Liara Shepard:wub:

[HomicidialFrog]

Liara: Bahahahaha. Quick Shepard! Tell the Krogan the Turians plan to launch the Genophage on them again. The resulting war will be hilarious!



Shepard: ...Liara I think you've gone powermad.



Liara: WHAT?! SHUT UP AND DO IT!



Shepard: Okay! Okay! Stop shouting...



Liara: Being the Shadow Broker is GREAT!



Feron: Aren't you ever gonna you know, stop taking orders from her? I mean she loves you enough to probally give up this power hunger for you. Why not demand that's you or the Shadow Broker?



Shepard: Meh, it makes her happy.



(Background) Liara: MUHAHAHAHA! Take this Palaven! *Planet buster*

[Deturis90]

ValerioN7 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

ValerioN7 wrote...

Two new images added on DA.

Hope you guys like it.

http://valerion7.dev...-Gift-179469605

http://valerion7.dev...paper-179469517

My DeviantART profile

That's really great wallpaper and i hope that one day we will see young (insert name here) T'soni - Shepard in action :wub:

Thank you!

I will call her Liara Shepard, or if she has to mantain Liara's surname Benezia Aethyta T'Soni.

But most likely Liara Shepard:wub:

Nice Wallpapers Valerion !

I'm going off, good night Liara fans ! 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Liara: Bahahahaha. Quick Shepard! Tell the Krogan the Turians plan to launch the Genophage on them again. The resulting war will be hilarious!

Shepard: ...Liara I think you've gone powermad.

Liara: WHAT?! SHUT UP AND DO IT!

Shepard: Okay! Okay! Stop shouting...

Liara: Being the Shadow Broker is GREAT!

Feron: Aren't you ever gonna you know, stop taking orders from her? I mean she loves you enough to probally give up this power hunger for you. Why not demand that's you or the Shadow Broker?

Shepard: Meh, it makes her happy.

(Background) Liara: MUHAHAHAHA! Take this Palaven! *Planet buster*

Evil!Liara: POWER! ULIMITED POOOOOWEEERR!!!!

That would make me love evil!Liara even more!

[HomicidialFrog]

Lizardviking wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Liara: Bahahahaha. Quick Shepard! Tell the Krogan the Turians plan to launch the Genophage on them again. The resulting war will be hilarious!

Shepard: ...Liara I think you've gone powermad.

Liara: WHAT?! SHUT UP AND DO IT!

Shepard: Okay! Okay! Stop shouting...

Liara: Being the Shadow Broker is GREAT!

Feron: Aren't you ever gonna you know, stop taking orders from her? I mean she loves you enough to probally give up this power hunger for you. Why not demand that's you or the Shadow Broker?

Shepard: Meh, it makes her happy.

(Background) Liara: MUHAHAHAHA! Take this Palaven! *Planet buster*

Evil!Liara: POWER! ULIMITED POOOOOWEEERR!!!!

That would make me love evil!Liara even more!

The worst part is the Turians aren't deploying another Genophage...

But when Wrex get's a direct message from the Shadow Broker...Well, it's convincing enough to want to go to war.

[ValerioN7]

Deturis90 wrote...
Nice Wallpapers Valerion !

I'm going off, good night Liara fans ! 

Thank you =)

good night to everyone, i'm leaving too.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Liara: Bahahahaha. Quick Shepard! Tell the Krogan the Turians plan to launch the Genophage on them again. The resulting war will be hilarious!

Shepard: ...Liara I think you've gone powermad.

Liara: WHAT?! SHUT UP AND DO IT!

Shepard: Okay! Okay! Stop shouting...

Liara: Being the Shadow Broker is GREAT!

Feron: Aren't you ever gonna you know, stop taking orders from her? I mean she loves you enough to probally give up this power hunger for you. Why not demand that's you or the Shadow Broker?

Shepard: Meh, it makes her happy.

(Background) Liara: MUHAHAHAHA! Take this Palaven! *Planet buster*

Evil!Liara: POWER! ULIMITED POOOOOWEEERR!!!!

That would make me love evil!Liara even more!

The worst part is the Turians aren't deploying another Genophage...

But when Wrex get's a direct message from the Shadow Broker...Well, it's convincing enough to want to go to war.

I don't see why the krogans should get upset. In my canon, I destroyed the second genophage cure. So they're still infected!

But I would love to see Shepard start wars with Evil!Liara. Only to swoop afterwards and claim everything for themselves.

[AngryFrozenWater]

HomicidialFrog wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

almostinsane wrote...

[...]

Anyway, for anyone interested, I wrote a short fanfiction after playing Lair of the Shadow Broker:

http://www.fanfictio..._Moment_in_Time

Well written too. Thanks.

It indirectly answers my question.

You know... I still have the feeling that she won't give up her power that easy.

"Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship." - George Orwell (Nineteen Eighty-Four).

She was too eager and made up her mind too fast to take over.

Your forgetting who your talking about, this is a woman who went through hell and back to recover a body for a tiny chance that he/she may come back.

Then afterwards wanted revenge on the Man who is torturing the friend who is probally the reason Liara didn't fail and spent two years plotting a rescue and revenge mission.

Then after that saw an oppurtunity to help Shepard as a partner instead of just another many Underlings that Shepard has.

Then allowed Shepard to access any information he/she wants.

If Liara was to be taken of every trait she had but her largest trait where to be spared, she'd still have her loyalty.

I'll skip your first point, because it would derail this thread. To me it relates to bioethics. So, I won't go into that.

But your second point (revenge) is something I didn't expect. It alienates her from who she was before.

About using her information. What's the price of that? If Liara's power corrupts her then what? Remember what the Spectre in LotSB asks Shepard before she dies? Can Shepard judge her while working for Cerberus? How far is Shepard corrupted by working for Cerberus? The only answer I can dream up is that Shepard was forced into that position. The game allows that viewpoint. It had too. If it didn't allow that then what would keep paragon Shepard sane? The difference between Liara and Shepard is that Liara has a choice. Shepard is very clear about it and offers her to tear down the place. I wished she would've agreed.

Loyalty and power. I am not sure what's stronger.