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[jlb524]

I honestly don't want 'Evil!Liara' period, not even the possibility. I feel it would be tacked on for unnecessary drama and would be a detriment to her character.

[pf17456]

jlb524 wrote...

I honestly don't want 'Evil!Liara' period, not even the possibility. I feel it would be tacked on for unnecessary drama and would be a detriment to her character.

I agree besides Liara and Shepard have had enough stuff come between them already that they're dealing with. There's plenty of other characters avialable for personal drama

[Unit-Alpha]

Considering the number of plot threads they have to tie up in ME3, there really isn't a lot of room for an evil Liara angle to her story.

[1490]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Considering the number of plot threads they have to tie up in ME3, there really isn't a lot of room for an evil Liara angle to her story.

Probably true.  I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to integrate the LotSB into ME 3.  If you didn't do it, will the old Shadow Broker still be alive and Liara still looking for him, or is it going to "default" and assume you downloaded and played the expansion?  Are people that didn't download LotSB still going to be able to romance Liara if they did in ME 1?  Bioware's got a lot of ground to cover.

[adneate]

1490 wrote...

Probably true.  I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to integrate the LotSB into ME 3.  If you didn't do it, will the old Shadow Broker still be alive and Liara still looking for him, or is it going to "default" and assume you downloaded and played the expansion?  Are people that didn't download LotSB still going to be able to romance Liara if they did in ME 1?  Bioware's got a lot of ground to cover.

The default so far for the series has been that the events happened anyway, Bring Down the Sky is referenced even if you didn't download or play it in ME1. My assumption would be she becomes the Shadow Broker regardless, but owning the DLC adds extra import flags that will modify Liara's behaviour and her relationship with Shepard.

[Fishy]

Lizardviking wrote...

Stormy-B wrote...

Didn't Pacifien specifically request more sharing of fanmade material?

Go ahead Lizard. Show it already!

Oh okay! If you insist!

DISCLAIMER: This is my first fanfic ever, so it's quality might be questionable. Also please respect the fact that english isn't my primary language and therefor there might be some grammatic errors. Also I did my best to make the "romance" lines be as little George-Lucas-y as possible.

Also the story is after the suicide mission but before LOTSB.

Here goes nothing.

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-----Elevator, Normandy SR-2.--------
There had been a certain atmosphere on the Normandy for the past 4 days. A mixture of doubt and lack of direction had spread among the remaining crewmembers. It’s been a week since Commander Shepard and his team had launched their attack on the Collector base. While they were successful in completely destroying the facility, even going against the illusive man’s orders. It wouldn’t change the fact that they still lost people there, and without any real support from Cerberus, had they perhaps also lost one of their few allies?

It was these thoughts that made the captain of the Normandy feel completely helpless. The Collectors had been destroyed but so what? The Reapers were still out there, getting nearer with every second. It felt unreal that despite all the trouble that he and his team went through, they were still not any closer to defeating the Reapers.

Shepard let out a heavy sigh. He was tired, having just been to another meeting with Miranda regarding possible leads or clues on the Reapers. They had already visited one the planets Miranda had suggested, only to end up empty handed. And then it was back to the ship, to find a new possible lead, in what seemed to be nothing more than a wild goose chase.

“Why won’t this damn thing move faster? Seems like the elevators have a thing for always moving in what seems like the slowest pace possible.” He muttered to himself. Fortunely, by the time he had just stopped ranting. The elevator was at his private quarters.

--------Captain’s quarters, Normandy SR-2.---------

It felt relieving to be in what could closest be called home for him. It was good to be away from everything, if only so the crew couldn’t see how worn out he truly were. Even then, how many had started to notice? Miranda and Garrus certainly had, maybe Samara and Tali too? They must have seen how he always withdrew himself to his own room earlier than usual, how he barely spoke to anyone, how he barely ate anything. He sat down at his desk and looked around at some of the things he had. The fish were swimming around as always, happy in their own little world. His collection of ship models.

Finally there was a picture which had been turned down for what seems like ages now.

It hurt him to even think about it. He had almost forbid himself from doing so. The memories of their reunion on Illium was like a gaping wound in his heart, a wound that would never heal completely. He remembered when he first landed on Illium, still bitter on how his former friends had betrayed him. Anderson wouldn’t talk with him, and the meeting with the council wasn’t exactly better. And then Alenko went as far as accusing him of being a traitor on Horizon, betraying everything they both once stood for. But despite these things, there were still hope in him. There were still one important person from his old life he hadn’t seen yet, Liara T’soni.

He had rushed through the busy crowds of Nos Astra, eager to see her again. He wondered how she would react, he was dead for two years. Did she even know that he was alive? She must have, the illusive man had told him that she was working as an information broker now, she must have heard something. He was shocked when he entered her office for the first time. Seeing her threatening someone he assumed must have been a client of hers with a line that when spoken from her lips, seemed like a wicked parody. When she turned around to face him, things seem revert back to how they once were.

But he was wrong.

The kiss they had, ended when she pulled away from him. She seemed to regret that they just kissed. At first he was understanding, it’s been two years after all. He would just have to take it slow, but before he could ask about anything, he was sent off on some trivial task to hack some terminals. Even when he had returned from his task, he tried to talk about them. She shut off and changed the topic to the task at hand. Something about a lost friend and the shadow broker. Even after helping her get rid of the traitor Nyxeris, he was finally free to talk about them, but he didn’t wish to. The evidence seemed clear enough. He had died and she moved on and found someone else that loved her, her “friend” apparently being that someone now. Leaving the office before he could no longer hide his grief, he stormed back to the Normandy, going faster than before where he had rushed towards the office, Garrus and Miranda not able to keep up. They were both silent, they were not in the room but they knew what had happened. The two people on the dossier was recruited, nothing was left on Illium to do.

The time following Illium was busy, something he was thankful for. The crew had to prepare for the suicide mission and everyone had a loose end they wish to tie up before journeying through the Omega-4 relay. It was good in a way, focusing on everyone around him allowed him forget his own problems. Weeks after Illium, he turned the picture down. Liara had moved on and so should he, no amount of mourning would change that. He had been selfish, to leave her for two years and then expect her to welcome him back like nothing had happened. And for a while, he was slowly starting to come to terms with that.

He remember the last moments before they would hit the Omega-4 relay. It felt strange to be alone before embarking on a mission that could very well be their death, last time, Liara was there. Instead of finishing some report which might be pointless at this point. He decided to turn the picture of Liara up, if only for a moment. Despite what he had told himself over the past days, he would not deny that he still loved her, still cared for her. It pained him to think that perhaps they were never destined to be together, that fate had something else in store for both of them. But perhaps everything was not lost yet? Perhaps there was still a chance? The bond they once shared would never disappear, not as long one of them lived. Liara said that once. But no, it was too much to hope for. He couldn’t allow himself to be distracted by a distant dream. He had to turn down the picture again, and focus on the mission there were before him.

So many things were running through his head. Suddenly the voice of EDI, the ship’s AI. Snapped him out of his line of thought.

“Shepard. You have just received a message from Cerberus command, I suggest you take a look at it.”

“Cerberus command?” He snapped at the AI, he wondered what kind of task they had in store for him, he had a feeling that it was just another screw up like project-Overlord.

He opened his private terminal and got access to the message. Apparently they had found a lead on the shadow broker, a lead that could in turn with Liara’s two year long search, finally track down the mysterious information broker.

“EDI. Tell Joker to set a course for Illium now!”

“Shepard are you sure? We have already established a cou--” The AI was however interrupted before it could finish the sentence.

“I don’t care, set a course now!” He barked at the blue orb behind him.

“Very well Shepard.” And with that, EDI’s avatar disappeared.

It seemed like fate have finally given him the chance to deal with his greatest conflict, to come to terms with something which had plagued him for so long. In a matter of hours, he would finally be able rest easily. Perhaps this bleeding wound inside him could then heal, or heal as much as it ever will be able to.

He raised the picture again, and a single thought came to his mind.

Perhaps there was still a chance?

------------THE END---------

Nice .That exactly what i felt about my Shepaloo .. Saving everyone day and everyone planet but what about him?What about the man behind the visor?

My Shepard had it rough .. His whole family slaughered  and the sole survivor of a mission that shaked him well. Killed and spaced  , lost 2 years of his life and friend ..Been fighting foreever since that first day on the Normandy under Anderson .

The council see him has a psychopath making thing up . His friend turn on him (Kaiden) . Anderson turn on him and even spy on him.The Alliance see him has a traitor after everything he have done.

Than he go on a sure to be killed mission .. Mission accomplished.Certaintly if i were shepard i would have a severe traumatic impact . I think he got over it pretty well . I mean the guy he's basicly half-cyborg and human.With red eyes glowing when he's pissed off.I would be more concerned if it's really me.He's more concerned than he might seem to be . But no one ask him about those cybernetic eyes and those huge scar on his face.No he just need to be the guy who everyone seem to hate but everyone need.It's hard to be Shepard and when all of it it's over..He will never be the same.After everything he went through and what he have seen.How can a guy like him have a normal life or feel normal?

[jlb524]

adneate wrote...

1490 wrote...

Probably true.  I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to integrate the LotSB into ME 3.  If you didn't do it, will the old Shadow Broker still be alive and Liara still looking for him, or is it going to "default" and assume you downloaded and played the expansion?  Are people that didn't download LotSB still going to be able to romance Liara if they did in ME 1?  Bioware's got a lot of ground to cover.

The default so far for the series has been that the events happened anyway, Bring Down the Sky is referenced even if you didn't download or play it in ME1. My assumption would be she becomes the Shadow Broker regardless, but owning the DLC adds extra import flags that will modify Liara's behaviour and her relationship with Shepard.

Yes, ME3 will continue on as if Liara became the new Shadow Broker.  Notice that the DLC lacked any divergent options.  Liara becomes the SB no matter what the player does, Feron is alive no matter what, etc.  The only think the DLC can change are romance flags.  Mine stayed active, of course.  

[1490]

jlb524 wrote...

adneate wrote...

1490 wrote...

Probably true.  I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to integrate the LotSB into ME 3.  If you didn't do it, will the old Shadow Broker still be alive and Liara still looking for him, or is it going to "default" and assume you downloaded and played the expansion?  Are people that didn't download LotSB still going to be able to romance Liara if they did in ME 1?  Bioware's got a lot of ground to cover.

The default so far for the series has been that the events happened anyway, Bring Down the Sky is referenced even if you didn't download or play it in ME1. My assumption would be she becomes the Shadow Broker regardless, but owning the DLC adds extra import flags that will modify Liara's behaviour and her relationship with Shepard.

Yes, ME3 will continue on as if Liara became the new Shadow Broker.  Notice that the DLC lacked any divergent options.  Liara becomes the SB no matter what the player does, Feron is alive no matter what, etc.  The only think the DLC can change are romance flags.  Mine stayed active, of course.  

So I guess it's kind of "assumed" then that Shepard helped Liara take out the Shadow Broker? Or do you think if the player didn't do LotSB that she will have tracked down the Shadow Broker herself?

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

adneate wrote...

1490 wrote...

Probably true.  I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to integrate the LotSB into ME 3.  If you didn't do it, will the old Shadow Broker still be alive and Liara still looking for him, or is it going to "default" and assume you downloaded and played the expansion?  Are people that didn't download LotSB still going to be able to romance Liara if they did in ME 1?  Bioware's got a lot of ground to cover.

The default so far for the series has been that the events happened anyway, Bring Down the Sky is referenced even if you didn't download or play it in ME1. My assumption would be she becomes the Shadow Broker regardless, but owning the DLC adds extra import flags that will modify Liara's behaviour and her relationship with Shepard.

Yes, ME3 will continue on as if Liara became the new Shadow Broker.  Notice that the DLC lacked any divergent options.  Liara becomes the SB no matter what the player does, Feron is alive no matter what, etc.  The only think the DLC can change are romance flags.  Mine stayed active, of course.  

The picture went back up for me.

[TMA LIVE]

1490 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

adneate wrote...

1490 wrote...

Probably true.  I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to integrate the LotSB into ME 3.  If you didn't do it, will the old Shadow Broker still be alive and Liara still looking for him, or is it going to "default" and assume you downloaded and played the expansion?  Are people that didn't download LotSB still going to be able to romance Liara if they did in ME 1?  Bioware's got a lot of ground to cover.

The default so far for the series has been that the events happened anyway, Bring Down the Sky is referenced even if you didn't download or play it in ME1. My assumption would be she becomes the Shadow Broker regardless, but owning the DLC adds extra import flags that will modify Liara's behaviour and her relationship with Shepard.

Yes, ME3 will continue on as if Liara became the new Shadow Broker.  Notice that the DLC lacked any divergent options.  Liara becomes the SB no matter what the player does, Feron is alive no matter what, etc.  The only think the DLC can change are romance flags.  Mine stayed active, of course.  

So I guess it's kind of "assumed" then that Shepard helped Liara take out the Shadow Broker? Or do you think if the player didn't do LotSB that she will have tracked down the Shadow Broker herself?

If you didn't help Liara, then Shepard never helped her. You only have control over your involvement. Beyond that, the DLC is more of just giving you a heads up on what's going to happen in ME3.

[JamieCOTC]

TMA LIVE wrote...

1490 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

adneate wrote...

1490 wrote...

Probably true.  I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to integrate the LotSB into ME 3.  If you didn't do it, will the old Shadow Broker still be alive and Liara still looking for him, or is it going to "default" and assume you downloaded and played the expansion?  Are people that didn't download LotSB still going to be able to romance Liara if they did in ME 1?  Bioware's got a lot of ground to cover.

The default so far for the series has been that the events happened anyway, Bring Down the Sky is referenced even if you didn't download or play it in ME1. My assumption would be she becomes the Shadow Broker regardless, but owning the DLC adds extra import flags that will modify Liara's behaviour and her relationship with Shepard.

Yes, ME3 will continue on as if Liara became the new Shadow Broker.  Notice that the DLC lacked any divergent options.  Liara becomes the SB no matter what the player does, Feron is alive no matter what, etc.  The only think the DLC can change are romance flags.  Mine stayed active, of course.  

So I guess it's kind of "assumed" then that Shepard helped Liara take out the Shadow Broker? Or do you think if the player didn't do LotSB that she will have tracked down the Shadow Broker herself?

If you didn't help Liara, then Shepard never helped her. You only have control over your involvement. Beyond that, the DLC is more of just giving you a heads up on what's going to happen in ME3.

Asari Commando Unit? 

[jlb524]

1490 wrote...

So I guess it's kind of "assumed" then that Shepard helped Liara take out the Shadow Broker? Or do you think if the player didn't do LotSB that she will have tracked down the Shadow Broker herself?

Yes, I'm thinking it's canon that Shepard and Liara both take down the Shadow Broker, regardless of having played the DLC.  Just like it's still canon that Shepard defeated Saren and Sovereign in ME1 for those that didn't play ME1 before ME2.

[TMA LIVE]

JamieCOTC wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

1490 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

adneate wrote...

1490 wrote...

Probably true.  I'm still trying to figure out how they are going to integrate the LotSB into ME 3.  If you didn't do it, will the old Shadow Broker still be alive and Liara still looking for him, or is it going to "default" and assume you downloaded and played the expansion?  Are people that didn't download LotSB still going to be able to romance Liara if they did in ME 1?  Bioware's got a lot of ground to cover.

The default so far for the series has been that the events happened anyway, Bring Down the Sky is referenced even if you didn't download or play it in ME1. My assumption would be she becomes the Shadow Broker regardless, but owning the DLC adds extra import flags that will modify Liara's behaviour and her relationship with Shepard.

Yes, ME3 will continue on as if Liara became the new Shadow Broker.  Notice that the DLC lacked any divergent options.  Liara becomes the SB no matter what the player does, Feron is alive no matter what, etc.  The only think the DLC can change are romance flags.  Mine stayed active, of course.  

So I guess it's kind of "assumed" then that Shepard helped Liara take out the Shadow Broker? Or do you think if the player didn't do LotSB that she will have tracked down the Shadow Broker herself?

If you didn't help Liara, then Shepard never helped her. You only have control over your involvement. Beyond that, the DLC is more of just giving you a heads up on what's going to happen in ME3.

Asari Commando Unit? 

Shadow Broker's private army. Intel.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

1490 wrote...

So I guess it's kind of "assumed" then that Shepard helped Liara take out the Shadow Broker? Or do you think if the player didn't do LotSB that she will have tracked down the Shadow Broker herself?

Yes, I'm thinking it's canon that Shepard and Liara both take down the Shadow Broker, regardless of having played the DLC.  Just like it's still canon that Shepard defeated Saren and Sovereign in ME1 for those that didn't play ME1 before ME2.

I don't think so, because ME1 "has" to be canon. There is no "You never beat Saren". Because if you didn't, you're dead. However, Bring Down the Sky is canon, but because you never did it, people "died".

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 17 septembre 2010 - 02:00 .

[speedy111280]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

I agree; having to make an effort would be best. What I'm trying to say is that a canon evil Liara is almost an impossibility at this point due to the fact that publishers play it safe with big franchises.

I'd say the biggest reason they wouldn't do that is they are entertaining the idea of more games, etc in the ME universe that aren't Shepard's story and as she's so very young by Asari standards Liara is the best character to tie them all together (they are already branching her out to other media i.e. the comics). Liara gives them a well known character, a very large time period to play with and the added bonus of being guaranteed to be alive at the start of ME3.  That would be another reason to make her the Shadow Broker. No one says the SB has to stay at the base so it wouldn't negate the whole marriage, old age and lots of little blue children with Shepard.

[1490]

speedy111280 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

I agree; having to make an effort would be best. What I'm trying to say is that a canon evil Liara is almost an impossibility at this point due to the fact that publishers play it safe with big franchises.

I'd say the biggest reason they wouldn't do that is they are entertaining the idea of more games, etc in the ME universe that aren't Shepard's story and as she's so very young by Asari standards Liara is the best character to tie them all together (they are already branching her out to other media i.e. the comics). Liara gives them a well known character, a very large time period to play with and the added bonus of being guaranteed to be alive at the start of ME3.  That would be another reason to make her the Shadow Broker. No one says the SB has to stay at the base so it wouldn't negate the whole marriage, old age and lots of little blue children with Shepard.

Who would suspect that a happy married woman with kids would be the most powerful information broker in the galaxy?  It's a good cover.

[jlb524]

1490 wrote...

Who would suspect that a happy married woman with kids would be the most powerful information broker in the galaxy?  It's a good cover.

Yes, it is. 

Liara is also has more freedoms than the previous Shadow Broker had and can leave the base as she is not a yahg.  Liara can blend in well, while a yahg walking the Citadel streets would stand out a bit.

[Marcin K]

hello all

[AndroLeonidas]

jlb524 wrote...

1490 wrote...

Who would suspect that a happy married woman with kids would be the most powerful information broker in the galaxy?  It's a good cover.

Yes, it is. 

Liara is also has more freedoms than the previous Shadow Broker had and can leave the base as she is not a yahg.  Liara can blend in well, while a yahg walking the Citadel streets would stand out a bit.

See... that's the way I see it. That is how my fanfic is progressing as well. Who is to say she can't be the SB out of some new home on Illium and still maintain her role as respected Information Broker on Illium.

[Deturis90]

Good Morning !

I think this thread needs more pics ! 

 

[The Real Juhani]

Although I liked the Lair of the Shadow Broker for the most part, I'm still having trouble with understanding the extreme change in Liara's personality. The difference between ME1 Liara and ME2 Liara is huge. I think she did lack some character in ME1, but in ME2 they turned everything upside down and created a Liara who has practically nothing to do with the previous personality, or that's how it seems to me. The difference is so remarkable that I'd go as far as to say that the current Liara is mentally unstable or ill somehow. She just doesn't seem to have a normal, stable personality anymore. And 'stable' doesn't necessarily mean 'boring' - I know quite a few people who are perfectly stable and not at all boring. But in video games, characters are so often taken to extremes that are either unbelievable or don't make much sense otherwise.



I just hope the writers know what they are doing and not turn her completely into a megalomaniac petty dictator who tries to rule the galaxy from her base of operations. That would be a bummer.



However, if they have time and resources, I wouldn't mind seeing a lot more interaction with Liara in the future. Maybe I would find her personality change much more believable if my Shepard had a chance to talk to her more often, to have some proper conversation for a change. But maybe that's too much to ask for in an action RPG.

[Gibb_Garrus]

The Real Juhani wrote...

Although I liked the Lair of the Shadow Broker for the most part, I'm still having trouble with understanding the extreme change in Liara's personality. The difference between ME1 Liara and ME2 Liara is huge. I think she did lack some character in ME1, but in ME2 they turned everything upside down and created a Liara who has practically nothing to do with the previous personality, or that's how it seems to me. The difference is so remarkable that I'd go as far as to say that the current Liara is mentally unstable or ill somehow. She just doesn't seem to have a normal, stable personality anymore. And 'stable' doesn't necessarily mean 'boring' - I know quite a few people who are perfectly stable and not at all boring. But in video games, characters are so often taken to extremes that are either unbelievable or don't make much sense otherwise.

I just hope the writers know what they are doing and not turn her completely into a megalomaniac petty dictator who tries to rule the galaxy from her base of operations. That would be a bummer.

However, if they have time and resources, I wouldn't mind seeing a lot more interaction with Liara in the future. Maybe I would find her personality change much more believable if my Shepard had a chance to talk to her more often, to have some proper conversation for a change. But maybe that's too much to ask for in an action RPG.

Well they pretty much explained her personality change in LOTSB. Her personality after LOTSB isn't really THAT much different from in ME1, she just now has a bit of an edge.

She had to deal with a lot of **** between the events of ME1 and ME2, she obviously wasn't going to come out of it the same awkward, ignorant archeologist she once was.

Modifié par Gibb_Garrus, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:33 .

[Asheer_Khan]

IF Bioware will set up default ME 3 start up as renegade like they do with ME 2 start up then we will see "evil Liara" as SB since there was no safe anchor for her to keep her out of dark side temptation.

But in every other (aka imports) case her ME 3 status will depend on what happened during entire DLC.(at least i think it will matter...)



From my perspective when i saw how she grabbed that voice changer and start calming down panicked network i tough "I am proud of you." because she did only possible thing at that moment.



Many says that after killing Yahg Lia and Shepard should disband whole network and end Shadow Broker page in galactic history once for all... but... in thier hands lays now biggest information network ever created and who known what secrets are stored in SB ship memory banks?(especially in regards of the Reapers).



Of course now everything is in hands of the writers... and they still can mess up... but slowly i start to think that maybe ME 3 will be worth of buying...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Hello guys. Anything new?

[Nerevar-as]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

1490 wrote...

So I guess it's kind of "assumed" then that Shepard helped Liara take out the Shadow Broker? Or do you think if the player didn't do LotSB that she will have tracked down the Shadow Broker herself?

Yes, I'm thinking it's canon that Shepard and Liara both take down the Shadow Broker, regardless of having played the DLC.  Just like it's still canon that Shepard defeated Saren and Sovereign in ME1 for those that didn't play ME1 before ME2.

I don't think so, because ME1 "has" to be canon. There is no "You never beat Saren". Because if you didn't, you're dead. However, Bring Down the Sky is canon, but because you never did it, people "died".

Actually, if Shepard hadn´t  done BdtS, the default (that jerk is not "canon") would have been asteroid hitting Terra Nova, not hostages killed as in ME2, so it is one of the few sidemissions defShep did. From this my guess for ME3 is that LotSB will be part of the default ME3 Shep, but obviously with no romance.