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#49251
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ValerioN7 wrote...

Here a your new wallpaper:

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Hope you enjoy it.


Nice.

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Lizardviking wrote...

ValerioN7 wrote...

Here a your new wallpaper:

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Hope you enjoy it.


Nice.


Thanks. I think that's enough for wallpapers now, i prefer doing fan arts because with wallpapers i have to work under resolution limits, and resizing all the images. Just look the difference between The Greatest Gift and TGG wallpaper on my DA profile, the first one is much better.

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Ajosraa wrote...

This is something ive thought about but her goes: What would you name you and Liara's daughter?

Would you go for an asari name, a human name, something inbetween, or completely different? Im sure some of you must have some good ides.

Some ideas off the top of my head:

Thanna
(because my cousin is named Hanna, just a slight modification)

Benezia (to honor liara's mother)

Liara Jr.(which im sure many have thought of)


What would you name you and Liara's daughter? come on I know some of you must have thought about it ;P
Would you go for an asari name, a human name, something inbetween, or completely different? Im sure some of you must have some good ideas swimming around in that noggin of your's, why not share them? :)


Kaidlyn. (modification of Kaiden, who died on Virmire in my canon game) 

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adneate wrote...

I think Liara's role as a full squadmate at some point in ME3 is pretty much assured since they took the time to both create an all new texture for her character model, set a weapon load out, custom class and special bonus power that required full programming to bring into the main game. The way DLC works and the way Mass Effect as a trilogy works they would not have done all that ground work if they had no intention of using her as a full AI controlled squadmate at some point in the near future. The only reason they'd green light the time, manpower and resources to create all that custom content was if they could get more than one DLC episode out of it. Look at the Dragon Age DLC where nothing carried forward to the next game, they wouldn't even commit to making new environments or recording a few extra bits of dialogue for an Orlesian Warden since the effort would not have been worth it because come DA2 they have to start from scratch. Her joining Shepard is really only a question of when not if.


Good point.   She may not start out as a squad mate, though.  I think perhaps for the first half of the game, she will have her duties as the SB to contend with.  As some point later, she will join up with Shepard for the final battles.

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Despite abandoning Liara for Garrus, Renegade Jane Shepard ended up going back to Liara after Shadow Broker DLC. The whole situation was really well handled...especially the "marriage, old age, lots of blue children" part :)



Also, did anyone notice watching the archive videos of Matriarch Aethyta looking at Liara's picture on the table? Could she have been Benezia's partner in being Liara's other parent?

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Fl1pmode wrote...

Also, did anyone notice watching the archive videos of Matriarch Aethyta looking at Liara's picture on the table? Could she have been Benezia's partner in being Liara's other parent?


Yes.  It seems that is what they are trying to hint anyway.

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jlb524 wrote...

Fl1pmode wrote...

Also, did anyone notice watching the archive videos of Matriarch Aethyta looking at Liara's picture on the table? Could she have been Benezia's partner in being Liara's other parent?


Yes.  It seems that is what they are trying to hint anyway.


On that note, did anyone else notice its not actually a picture of liara, the frame with liara's face in it was animated slightly, to me it looks sort of like they're on a video chat or something.

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sumof all fear wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Fl1pmode wrote...

Also, did anyone notice watching the archive videos of Matriarch Aethyta looking at Liara's picture on the table? Could she have been Benezia's partner in being Liara's other parent?


Yes.  It seems that is what they are trying to hint anyway.


On that note, did anyone else notice its not actually a picture of liara, the frame with liara's face in it was animated slightly, to me it looks sort of like they're on a video chat or something.


I just thought it was a moving picture.  I'm sure they have stuff like that in the ME verse.  It's not clear yet that Liara knows about this, though, she was the one that dug up that vid to show Shepard.  It's confusing.

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jlb524 wrote...

sumof all fear wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Fl1pmode wrote...

Also, did anyone notice watching the archive videos of Matriarch Aethyta looking at Liara's picture on the table? Could she have been Benezia's partner in being Liara's other parent?


Yes.  It seems that is what they are trying to hint anyway.


On that note, did anyone else notice its not actually a picture of liara, the frame with liara's face in it was animated slightly, to me it looks sort of like they're on a video chat or something.


I just thought it was a moving picture.  I'm sure they have stuff like that in the ME verse.  It's not clear yet that Liara knows about this, though, she was the one that dug up that vid to show Shepard.  It's confusing.


Did Liara dig that up? Or was it a random vid that Shepard saw. They didn't really seem to be in any order of importance and I find it hard ot believe she woul dhave gone searching for who her father was given she had just become the Shadow Broker. It's possible I guess... but I don't think it's likely.

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AndroLeonidas wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

sumof all fear wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Fl1pmode wrote...

Also, did anyone notice watching the archive videos of Matriarch Aethyta looking at Liara's picture on the table? Could she have been Benezia's partner in being Liara's other parent?


Yes.  It seems that is what they are trying to hint anyway.


On that note, did anyone else notice its not actually a picture of liara, the frame with liara's face in it was animated slightly, to me it looks sort of like they're on a video chat or something.


I just thought it was a moving picture.  I'm sure they have stuff like that in the ME verse.  It's not clear yet that Liara knows about this, though, she was the one that dug up that vid to show Shepard.  It's confusing.


Did Liara dig that up? Or was it a random vid that Shepard saw. They didn't really seem to be in any order of importance and I find it hard ot believe she woul dhave gone searching for who her father was given she had just become the Shadow Broker. It's possible I guess... but I don't think it's likely.


I always believed that is was movies the old SB had. Since he knew Liara was after him he thought it might be a good idea to spy on her last relative.

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Fl1pmode wrote...

Despite abandoning Liara for Garrus, Renegade Jane Shepard ended up going back to Liara after Shadow Broker DLC. The whole situation was really well handled...especially the "marriage, old age, lots of blue children" part :)

Also, did anyone notice watching the archive videos of Matriarch Aethyta looking at Liara's picture on the table? Could she have been Benezia's partner in being Liara's other parent?


Am I the only one who doesn't like the "marriage, old age, lots of blue children" line?
Do asari even have marriage?
Old age? Great, Liara will have about 800 more years to live when Shepard dies. I wonder what she will do during all that time?
Blue children? Honestly, I prefer not.

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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Fl1pmode wrote...

Despite abandoning Liara for Garrus, Renegade Jane Shepard ended up going back to Liara after Shadow Broker DLC. The whole situation was really well handled...especially the "marriage, old age, lots of blue children" part :)

Also, did anyone notice watching the archive videos of Matriarch Aethyta looking at Liara's picture on the table? Could she have been Benezia's partner in being Liara's other parent?


Am I the only one who doesn't like the "marriage, old age, lots of blue children" line?
Do asari even have marriage?
Old age? Great, Liara will have about 800 more years to live when Shepard dies. I wonder what she will do during all that time?
Blue children? Honestly, I prefer not.


You are probably in the minority in that yes.

Asari have Bondmates which I am assuming is esentially the same thing.

Considering what was used to rebuild Shepard... even though it wasn't mentioned anywhere... I am guessing he will live considerably longer now. I'm thinking probably 300-400 years old. Miranda has stated she will live to be over two hundred and whatever they did to Shepard has to be an improvement over how she was created.

Once Shepard does die... I don't believe Liara will ever take another Bondmate. Or lover for that matter.
Blue children? Very cool.

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AndroLeonidas wrote...
Considering what was used to rebuild Shepard... even though it wasn't mentioned anywhere... I am guessing he will live considerably longer now. I'm thinking probably 300-400 years old. Miranda has stated she will live to be over two hundred and whatever they did to Shepard has to be an improvement over how she was created.

You're quite optimistic. I suspected that Shepard's life expectancy has fallen since his death.

Once Shepard does die... I don't believe Liara will ever take another Bondmate. Or lover for that matter.

Oh come on! She will have so many centuries to live. And she didnt even get into her Matron stage yet.

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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Am I the only one who doesn't like the "marriage, old age, lots of blue children" line?
Do asari even have marriage?
Old age? Great, Liara will have about 800 more years to live when Shepard dies. I wonder what she will do during all that time?
Blue children? Honestly, I prefer not.


They have the concept of "bondmates", which seems to carry the same emotional weight as marriage.

Does it really matter what Liara does after Shepard dies, as long as she remembers him/her, and raises their children well, if they have children?   Asari don't fret over mortality.  They can have multiple bondmates over the course of their lives.  They enjoy the time they have with their bondmate, and move on, respectfully, afterward.

As for the "blue children", comment, both voice-actors make a point to say the line with a bit of humor.  He/she's being cute with the person he/she loves.

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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...
Considering what was used to rebuild Shepard... even though it wasn't mentioned anywhere... I am guessing he will live considerably longer now. I'm thinking probably 300-400 years old. Miranda has stated she will live to be over two hundred and whatever they did to Shepard has to be an improvement over how she was created.

You're quite optimistic. I suspected that Shepard's life expectancy has fallen since his death.

Once Shepard does die... I don't believe Liara will ever take another Bondmate. Or lover for that matter.

Oh come on! She will have so many centuries to live. And she didnt even get into her Matron stage yet.



How do you figure it has fallen. I'm curious what you base that on.

The codex states that with frequent melding... the matron stage can begin much earlier. We may not see it ingame... but I'm guessing the month they spent together before his death and the time they will spend together now that they are back together... melding did and will happen frequently.

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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

You're quite optimistic. I suspected that Shepard's life expectancy has fallen since his death.


I think the quite opposite. I'm sure Shepard's new cybernetics will increase his life by 50/100 years.

I personally love the line.

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Regardless of Shepard's natural life span Liara will be able to say they experienced thier life together to the fullest. This was actually brought up during the early talks between Sheprd and Liara in ME1. I think a major contributing factor in Liara's decision to risk everything for the slim chance Shepard could be brought back was because she felt robbed of the time she expected to have with Shepard. It's not length of time but quality. I think it's also a part of Asari philosophy.

Anyway for those who don't like the idea of kids there are other LI's avialable who cannot have kids. There's even the possibility of human kids with the VS as well as a shorter lifespan. Me, I prefer blue, it's my favorite color.


BTW, Lizard I read your fanfic and I liked the way you described the ambivalent torment Shepard endured between the Illium kiss and LOTSB. Nicely done

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Who doesn't find this adorable

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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...
Considering what was used to rebuild Shepard... even though it wasn't mentioned anywhere... I am guessing he will live considerably longer now. I'm thinking probably 300-400 years old. Miranda has stated she will live to be over two hundred and whatever they did to Shepard has to be an improvement over how she was created.

You're quite optimistic. I suspected that Shepard's life expectancy has fallen since his death.

Once Shepard does die... I don't believe Liara will ever take another Bondmate. Or lover for that matter.

Oh come on! She will have so many centuries to live. And she didnt even get into her Matron stage yet.



Asaris *can* reach the matron stage whenever they like, but it requires a lot of melding.  I think we can cover that.  To each his own, however. 

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Regardless of Shepard's natural life span Liara will be able to say they experienced thier life together to the fullest. This was actually brought up during the early talks between Sheprd and Liara in ME1. I think a major contributing factor in Liara's decision to risk everything for the slim chance Shepard could be brought back was because she felt robbed of the time she expected to have with Shepard. It's not length of time but quality. I think it's also a part of Asari philosophy.

Anyway for those who don't like the idea of kids there are other LI's avialable who cannot have kids. There's even the possibility of human kids with the VS as well as a shorter lifespan. Me, I prefer blue, it's my favorite color.


BTW, Lizard I read your fanfic and I liked the way you described the ambivalent torment Shepard endured between the Illium kiss and LOTSB. Nicely done


Who doesn't find this adorable


Yes. What matters is the time they spend together. But even then I would hope Liara will find someone else once Shepard have passed away, it would be selfish to expect her to be alone for the next 700 years (unless it's her own choice).

Also, I appreciate you read my fanfic.

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I've never seen anything in the game pointing to an Asari being able to enter the matron stage prematurely.



Anyhow I support this thread to have Liara as a squadmate in ME3.

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I've never seen anything in the game pointing to an Asari being able to enter the matron stage prematurely.

Anyhow I support this thread to have Liara as a squadmate in ME3.


It's mentioned in the Biology entry under the Codex listing for the asari.  It's not actually mentioned in-game, though.

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Ah thanks!

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Heather Cline wrote...

I've never seen anything in the game pointing to an Asari being able to enter the matron stage prematurely.

Anyhow I support this thread to have Liara as a squadmate in ME3.



From the Mass Effect Wiki;


Asari pass through three climacteric life stages, marked by biochemical and physiological changes:
  • The Maiden stage begins at birth and is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless.
  • The Matron stage of life begins around the age of 350, though it can be triggered earlier if the individual melds frequently. This period is marked by a desire to settle in one area and raise children.
  • The Matriarch stage begins around 700 years of age, or later if the individual melds rarely. Matriarchs become active in their community as sages and councilors, dispensing wisdom from centuries of experience. Their knowledge and guidance may be one reason why Matriarchs are rarely seen outside asari space.
However, it should be noted that, each stage can be started whenever an asari feels that she has reached the correct level of maturity. While each stage of life is marked by strong biological tendencies, individuals do make unexpected life choices. For example, there are Maidens who stay close to home rather than explore, Matrons who would rather work than build a family, and Matriarchs who have no interest in community affairs.

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Anybody who would like the idea of Liara in the final battle help drag a badly wounded Shepard to an escape pod? Thereby saving Shepard twice.

She could say something....
"I didn't go this far just to have you die in my arms Shepard!"

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