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[Gibb_Shepard]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Out of curiousity... did they make her character model's bust larger in the DLC. In some angles it appears they did... and then is others no. When she wears the armor it appears this way... but when she has her dress on no. Is that just camera angles maybe?

I don't know, her ****** look pretty huge in her dress aswell, look at the picture above a couple of posts.

[Ajosraa]

Good morning fellow Liara fans, what the heck am I doing up this early? ;P

Anyways, about her "bust". I think its just the style of the dress, it appears tighter around the chest then the armor. Also the armor wrapped around each breast individually, while the dress has that middle red part that "bridges" the gap between so they are less defined though the dress. Its amazing what different fitting cloths can do;P But as far as between ME1, ME2 and LotSB, I do think they have increased in total size when they redid the model.

Modifié par Ajosraa, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:17 .

[TMA LIVE]

muskettman87 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

If Shepard tries to have it both ways after the DLC, I do agree Liara should dump his ass. However, considering the relationship was up in the air after being dead for 2 years, I don't call it cheating, since Shepard can move on and Liara can move on. Plus, you were not allowed to end the romance with Liara for 7 months. Is Liara angry about it? Yes. But afterwards she isn't if you choose to stay with you ME2 LI. However, if you want, you can restart the romance with Liara again. If you leave your ME2 LI, I don't have a problem with that. But If you do still continue the romance with your ME2 LI, AND continue the romance with Liara, THAT'S OFFICIALLY CHEATING, no buts, you're a pig and a scumbag. 

Well, of course you wouldn't have a problem with that. A lot of us are pretty proud of the fact we never had a ME2 romance to leave in the first place.

I know this could be considered kind of rude on my part. But I think the fact people like you have changed romances every game and DLC possible, is pretty scumbaggish. You can say whatever you like, but it sounds like you are just trying to sooth your conscious.

After your actions and words in the past, I think I am smelling a little hypocrocy in air here.

As far as I'm aware, I've only done 2 "NON-CANON" playthroughs, where FEMSHEP Shepard dated Kaidan, or FEMSHEP hit on Thane, Jacob, Samara, Kelly, and Garrus, so I can see their romance scenes. I did a non-canon Dragon Age playthrough were I romanced Morrigan after hearing her DLC was coming out, then quit because I couldn't stand that girl, and wanted to date Leliana because she "is" my canon romance. As for my Canon playthroughs, I've only dated Tali and Liara, or just Liara. No one else. I've never hid that. I also said I lost faith in Liara, and that I thought everything she did in ME2 was pointless and unnecessary, and I still believe that (Yeah, lets skip all that, and go get the Shadow Broker with my Cerberus data!). I still didn't like how she asked me to murder someone just for "pointless" data. As far as I'm aware, I'm just being honest.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 20 septembre 2010 - 01:41 .

[TMA LIVE]

muskettman87 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

muskettman87 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

If Shepard tries to have it both ways after the DLC, I do agree Liara should dump his ass. However, considering the relationship was up in the air after being dead for 2 years, I don't call it cheating, since Shepard can move on and Liara can move on. Plus, you were not allowed to end the romance with Liara for 7 months. Is Liara angry about it? Yes. But afterwards she isn't if you choose to stay with you ME2 LI. However, if you want, you can restart the romance with Liara again. If you leave your ME2 LI, I don't have a problem with that. But If you do still continue the romance with your ME2 LI, AND continue the romance with Liara, THAT'S OFFICIALLY CHEATING, no buts, you're a pig and a scumbag. 

Well, of course you wouldn't have a problem with that. A lot of us are pretty proud of the fact we never had a ME2 romance to leave in the first place.

I know this could be considered kind of rude on my part. But I think the fact people like you have changed romances every game and DLC possible, is pretty scumbaggish. You can say whatever you like, but it sounds like you are just trying to sooth your conscious.

After your actions and words in the past, I think I am smelling a little hypocrocy in air here.

as some one who has changed romances, maybe it's because we want to explore all the options? I've got some playthroughs where I "cheated" on my me1 LI becaue I wanna see what happens,the same reason people kill the ouncil someitmes or make Udina the councilor for humans or kill wrex. You can be prooud of keeping the same LI (which I have done on some playthroughs) but that doens't mean you get to call someone who didn't a scumbag just because they broke it off then restarted it in the DLC, personal attacks aren't neccessary to get a point across.

I have no problem with people experimenting and exploring. I really don't. But when loyal fans stay faithful with Liara over the years, it's a little frustrating to watch certain people run her down, talk about how evil she is, and willingly cheat on her at the first opportunity. Only to come crawling back when her DLC comes out. Then those people proceed to lecture us what's really cheating, and what isn't. It's just funny watching someone talk about the evils of cheating, when they did just that.

My post was in no way directed at you, just certain "fans" of Liara. Again, I got no problem with people experimenting, but running her through the mud, then immediatily taking her back at first opportunity really bothers me. I haven't ever seen you do that, so I had no reason to call you out.

My point? Hypocrites, and "fair weather" really urk me.

I'm not lecturing. I'm giving my opinion. When you say run through the mud, it's really just me saying "This is what I don't like about this character." Which I still don't like about that character. Am I a hardcore Liara fan or a Liara Zealot? No, nor have I ever made that claim. I don't love everything she does, nor worship the ground she walks on. And I've not done a Tali romance for about 5 months at least, because I didn't want to do that till I got a chance to talk to Liara. I pretty much just stopped playing the game as soon as the option appeared, and played femshep instead. So I wouldn't call that "immediate". 

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:07 .

[ValerioN7]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Liara's design for the next set of Mass Effect comic books --Blue Eggs And Ham-- is finally revealed:

Nice!

[Aradace]

Just a question. If anyone takes offence (for whatever reason) I apologize ahead of time but. What are all of you going to do if, because of Liara's role as the SB, she is not only NOT a squadmate in ME3, but also more of a "support" role? I mean, those of us that said she wasnt joining the squad permanently after the new DLC were right...What happens if we (the people with like mind such as myself) are right about this too? Not saying one way or the other for certain, it's just a "what if" scenario. And please, no cop outs of "It's NOT going to happen." because all I want is to know the "what if"

[jtav]

I'm fine with it. She can do so much more as the SB than as a squad member.

[Aradace]

That's kinda my opinion at this point. Given her new role as the SB. She could accomodate Shepard's mission better from behind the scenes with intelligence rather than being on the front lines with him.

[Captain Iglo]

Aradace wrote...

Just a question. If anyone takes offence (for whatever reason) I apologize ahead of time but. What are all of you going to do if, because of Liara's role as the SB, she is not only NOT a squadmate in ME3, but also more of a "support" role? I mean, those of us that said she wasnt joining the squad permanently after the new DLC were right...What happens if we (the people with like mind such as myself) are right about this too? Not saying one way or the other for certain, it's just a "what if" scenario. And please, no cop outs of "It's NOT going to happen." because all I want is to know the "what if"

Theres nothing we can do about it...if it happens then we have to accept it like in ME2 and present our opinions about the lack of Liara here on the forum and hope for a DLC.
However...if it means that she will have a very big role (even if not being a squaddie) and that you can keep pursuing personal goals with her then I would be fine with it.
Personally I do hope they make use of the fact that a) Liara has a long life span and that she cant die in ME2 (we'll see about Me3), to make her like a binding character between this Mass Effect Trilogy and a Mass Effect Spin-off game after that.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:33 .

[jlb524]

JaylaClark wrote...

Alyna Shepard, I'm remembering her in fits and starts, and I recall that she's not sure about what this means for her soul, though she hopes that the fact she can't remember the light and what came after means that it really wasn't her time.  But to be beyond normal medicine, to not even have all of her own parts so to speak, has to be disturbing.  I wonder how much opportunity she had to discuss this with LiLi before the attack...?

Well, they had a month together, but I'm not sure if something that heavy would have came up in that short of a time period.

I envision that the month Shepard and Liara spent together was a relaxing and happy one (as relaxing as it can get on a warship )

[Aradace]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Just a question. If anyone takes offence (for whatever reason) I apologize ahead of time but. What are all of you going to do if, because of Liara's role as the SB, she is not only NOT a squadmate in ME3, but also more of a "support" role? I mean, those of us that said she wasnt joining the squad permanently after the new DLC were right...What happens if we (the people with like mind such as myself) are right about this too? Not saying one way or the other for certain, it's just a "what if" scenario. And please, no cop outs of "It's NOT going to happen." because all I want is to know the "what if"

Theres nothing we can do about it...if it happens then we have to accept it like in ME2 and present our opinions about the lack of Liara here on the forum and hope for a DLC.
Personally I do hope they make use of the fact that a) Liara has a long life span and that she cant die in ME2 (we'll see about Me3), to make her like a binding character between this Mass Effect Trilogy and a Mass Effect Spin-off game after that.

Or since ME3 is supposed to be the end of Shepard's story, she could be said "linking thread" through all 3 games and in an Epilogue have her telling Shepard's story to someone for whatever reason. *shrugs*

[Jade5233]

What tells us that they had a month together? Just curious.

And is the dialogue different for faithful and unfaithful Shepards at the end of LotSB? (I won't find out firsthand, because my mShep won't cheat on her).

[morrie23]

Jade5233 wrote...

What tells us that they had a month together? Just curious.

There's a month gap between Ilos and the Collector attack, so you can assume that they're together for at least some of that time.

Modifié par morrie23, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:38 .

[Captain Iglo]

Aradace wrote...

Or since ME3 is supposed to be the end of Shepard's story, she could be said "linking thread" through all 3 games and in an Epilogue have her telling Shepard's story to someone for whatever reason. *shrugs*

Wouldnt really like that...am more wishing for a possible cheesy happy end with a walk in the sunset.

I just mean that a new Mass Effect series could be settled like 200 or 300 years after those events of Shepard. Liara can easily be still alive then and be a main character of the new Mass Effect series (or MMo, RTS or whatever they could plan).

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:39 .

[Aradace]

Jade5233 wrote...

What tells us that they had a month together? Just curious.
And is the dialogue different for faithful and unfaithful Shepards at the end of LotSB? (I won't find out firsthand, because my mShep won't cheat on her).

That's what I want to know?  Where does it say that we spent a month with her?  A few hours, jumping a couple hundred light years yes....But I dont recall anything about LotSB saying that they spent a month together.

@Captain - As long as said "cheesy walking in the sunset" ending is only involved with the "paragon" choice of things lol.  Me personally, Im looking for more of a "realistic" end to things.  Such as, yea, you defeated/destroyed the Reapers but the damage done during the invasion was quite substantial and thus all the races of the galaxy/universe are going to be spending more time "recovering" and "rebuilding" than worrying about "walks on the beach" lol

Modifié par Aradace, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:42 .

[morrie23]

j was talking about the month between Ilos and the Collector attack.

[Aradace]

morrie23 wrote...

j was talking about the month between Ilos and the Collector attack.

ahhhh good point lol

[Jade5233]

morrie23 wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

What tells us that they had a month together? Just curious.

There's a month gap between Ilos and the Collector attack, so you can assume that they're together for at least some of that time.

Oh that month.  I thought you meant like in LotSB.
Unfortunately, I don't think that they likely really had much time during that month, though.  I'm sure Shepard was needed to help restore some of the chaos on the Citadel during that time.
Granted, Liara would likely have had more free time, so they likely were able to have more alone time than Shepard would have had with Kaidan or Ashley since their services as marine would also likely have been required.

And what about the "unfaithful" dialogue?  Is there a difference?

[Captain Iglo]

Jade5233 wrote...

Oh that month.  I thought you meant like in LotSB.
Unfortunately, I don't think that they likely really had much time during that month, though.  I'm sure Shepard was needed to help restore some of the chaos on the Citadel during that time.
Granted, Liara would likely have had more free time, so they likely were able to have more alone time than Shepard would have had with Kaidan or Ashley since their services as marine would also likely have been required.

And what about the "unfaithful" dialogue?  Is there a difference?

wasnt Shepard immediatley send on Spectre missions to fight the Geth...I dont think he acted on orders of the Alliance...and all of his crew was with him except Wrex. So I think they had like a month...it was just another month in combat...but they were both on the same ship and on the same battlefield in my opinion.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:47 .

[jlb524]

Thanks morrie, yeah, that month.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

Oh that month.  I thought you meant like in LotSB.
Unfortunately, I don't think that they likely really had much time during that month, though.  I'm sure Shepard was needed to help restore some of the chaos on the Citadel during that time.
Granted, Liara would likely have had more free time, so they likely were able to have more alone time than Shepard would have had with Kaidan or Ashley since their services as marine would also likely have been required.

And what about the "unfaithful" dialogue?  Is there a difference?

wasnt Shepard immediatley send on Spectre missions to fight the Geth...I dont think he acted on orders of the Alliance...and I think that all his crew was with him except Wrex. SO I think they had like a month...it was just another month in combat...but they were both on the same ship and on the same battlefield in my opinion.

actuelly. Garrus also left the ship to go back to spectre training/C-sec.

[Captain Iglo]

Lizardviking wrote...

actuelly. Garrus also left the ship to go back to spectre training/C-sec.

Did he left right after the Citadel Battle? I thought he went to the C-Sec after the ship was destroyed

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

actuelly. Garrus also left the ship to go back to spectre training/C-sec.

Did he left right after the Citadel Battle? I thought he went to the C-Sec after the ship was destroyed

Evidence suggest that he left Shepard's team after the hunt against Saren was over.

"EDIT"

When Shepard ask Jacob if all the crew made it out alive, Jacob replies that ALL OF THE NON-ALLIANCE personal which was Liara and Tali made it out safe. Also Garrus doesn't seem near as shocked over Shepard returning, since he never saw him die in the first place.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 20 septembre 2010 - 03:09 .

[Nerevar-as]

I think Jacob only mentioned Liara and Tali as alien crew when you ask him. Not certain now. Tali shouldn´t be there by default however, as Shepard could have chosen not to give her the data for the Pilgrimage, and she wouldn leave after Saren was dealt with.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

I also agree with Jayla's reasoning for why Liara was so hell bent on finding Feron. For starters, Feron saved her life, and Liara doesn't take that lightly. Shepard also once saved her life, and look at what Liara did for her when she went to great lengths to recover the body from the Shadow Broker.

Then, we have what Jayla mentioned, that Liara was looking for a distraction and was looking to do something good.

Well, I think it's just turned into another pattern. She doesn't give up on her friends, or continues to fight to avenge them. Her attitude is more like, "I have to do something for them. I can't just do nothing. I have to do something."

If you're just friends with Liara, after the hug she tells you, "I spent 2 years mourning you and Feron. And now, I got both of you back." Now look back at the comic, where she says "And now I have another friend to save." I goes to show she fought as much for Shepard as she did for Feron, and probably felt guilty for trading one for the other.