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[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I'm itching to do some manips, does anyone know a good photostream gallery from LotSB?

I got recordings (via fraps) of certain parts of LOTSB.

Dunno if that's any use.

Well, do you have a link? And what's the resolution?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I'm itching to do some manips, does anyone know a good photostream gallery from LotSB?

I got recordings (via fraps) of certain parts of LOTSB.

Dunno if that's any use.

Well, do you have a link? And what's the resolution?

I haven't uploaded any of em to the intawebs. But I don't know where I would be able to upload em (aside from youtube). Nor do I know if it's possible for me to just send them to you directly.

[Deturis90]

Hello !
Just finished my latest wallpaper.
1680x1050 res, jpg format.


Deviant ART

[Big Blue Car]

Yo check this











That's right, I have a 4 inch Liara standing by my laptop.

[jlb524]

Deturis90 wrote...

Hello !
Just finished my latest wallpaper.
1680x1050 res, jpg format.


Deviant ART

I like it...your stuff is getting better

[IndigoWolfe]

Y'hello, just droppin' in before I head off to bed.

CAN I SAY AGAIN HOW MUCH I LOVE LAIR OF THE SHADOW BROKER!!!!!

*bounces about the room*

[Cypher0020]

Gaaaah...tomorrow I'm taking a break and playing LOTSB on my LI Femshep run....can't wait........I don't care that it'll be Pre SM either..... ha!



Question though..... how does liara get that part of Shep's armor in her apartment??

[Nethershadow]

Liara is a fantastic character, and i absolutely love how they progressed her for lotsb.



I'm fairly certain she will be in the 3rd as a squad mate, and prolly continue the 'mate' story to

[adneate]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Question though..... how does liara get that part of Shep's armor in her apartment??

I'd make the assumption that after Shepard dies the corpse orbits the planet for some time in a shallow decaying orbit, this exposes the body and hardsuit to subzero temperatures and the vaccuum of space. As the orbit decayed Shepard's body wrapped in the hardsuit entered the atmosphere and heated up, probably not the thousands of degrees like here on Earth since we have a very thick atmospere while the planet Shepard was over does not. The suit kept the body from burning up and remained relatively in one piece after impact with the surface. However as it cooled down the integrity of the material probably would have reached it's physical limit and would no longer have any strength left. When the Blue Suns came looking for the body, they likely took the helmet off trying to make a visual identification which was impossible since Shepard's body was in bad shape and beyond physical identification. As the body is hauled out it's not hard to imagine personal effects and bits of the hardsuit falling off since it's too fragile to hold itself together. As for how Liara got it, well she's an archeologist so maybe she went digging at the crash site looking for momentos of Shepard either before or more likely after giving the corpse to Cerberus.

That's my theory anyway.

[IndigoWolfe]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Question though..... how does liara get that part of Shep's armor in her apartment??

The previous reply is possible, but I had a much simpler one in mind. When Cerberus got Shepard's body back, personally I'm guessing Shepard still had the armor on and when they got Shepard into the Lazerous operation station, they removed it and Liara got it then.

[Pacifien]

No discussing page counts or celebrating page counts in the thread. It promotes the posting of spam just to reach your intended target, it promotes unnecessary competition, and it's off-topic. I'll delete any post that references the page count of this thread.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Trying to come up with some sort of discussion here.

I have in the past voiced my annoyance regarding the lack of background story of Liara. So I wonder if anyone else feel like Bioware should change that in ME3, perhaps not make it into some large sub-plot, perhaps just her retelling something some personal events of the past and how they helped shape her?

Could be from.

-Her time as a archelogigist where she were out on prothean digsites.
-Her relationship with Benezia.
-Her growing up as a puerblood and never knowing about her.

There are other options, but those are the one from the top of my head.

If I had to pick one it would be the middle option. She could tell of how she disagreed with Benezia and wanted to go her own path instead of following her mother's footsteps as an important figure (in Asari society). She could then mention the irony that following her own path ultimativly resulted in her becoming an important figure,

[Pacifien]

I always meant to write about this and I don't really have all my thoughts put together about what I want to say, but the time spent with Liara during ME2 gives me the impression that we never really knew her from her time in ME1. She was demure in ME1 but dedicated to the cause in spite of having to go up against her mother. In ME2, she is incredibly focused and quite cold in her purpose.

Which makes me think that prior to meeting Liara in ME1, she was always incredibly focused in her work and probably cold to anyone who questioned her or got in her way. She acts differently to Shepard because he possessed the ultimate find in the Protheans, but from there she found herself drawn to him. There was no reason for her to ever be so cold in her manner because of that.

Not to mention Liara has considerable skill with her biotics when it comes to combat. She's quicking thinking and well practiced in her technique. Part of that I explain as being the daughter of Benezia, and I think growing up under Benezia's care required an unusual upbringing for Liara. But in spite of Liara taking a different path from her mother, part of her upbringing remains.

Now, I could explain all of this in terms of gameplay development. She is skilled with biotics in spite of being a young archeologist because the first game needed an adept in your squad. The writers wrote her one way in ME1 without considering how they were going to write her in ME2, which led to a change in tone as they decided she was to play a particular role in ME2. But that's no fun.

So yeah, my explanation for Liara's behavior in ME2 is that it's a bit more in line with how she's always been before she ever met Shepard. Her different behavior in ME1 is actually the anomaly, brought on by the unfamiliarity with working around humans and her interest in Shepard.

Modifié par Pacifien, 23 septembre 2010 - 04:20 .

[morrie23]

I like your thinking Pacifen, you make a good point that in ME1 we don't get to know her that well, and only from Shepard's POV. I'd argue that the Liara in vanilla ME2 isn't the 'real' Liara either, because of the stress/guilt she's feeling. It probably isn't until the end of LotSB when the Feron/SB story is sorted that we see a Liara for who she is, a dedicated friend of Shepard, no matter if you romanced her or not.

[Nerevar-as]

adneate wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

Question though..... how does liara get that part of Shep's armor in her apartment??

I'd make the assumption that after Shepard dies the corpse orbits the planet for some time in a shallow decaying orbit, this exposes the body and hardsuit to subzero temperatures and the vaccuum of space. As the orbit decayed Shepard's body wrapped in the hardsuit entered the atmosphere and heated up, probably not the thousands of degrees like here on Earth since we have a very thick atmospere while the planet Shepard was over does not. The suit kept the body from burning up and remained relatively in one piece after impact with the surface. However as it cooled down the integrity of the material probably would have reached it's physical limit and would no longer have any strength left. When the Blue Suns came looking for the body, they likely took the helmet off trying to make a visual identification which was impossible since Shepard's body was in bad shape and beyond physical identification. As the body is hauled out it's not hard to imagine personal effects and bits of the hardsuit falling off since it's too fragile to hold itself together. As for how Liara got it, well she's an archeologist so maybe she went digging at the crash site looking for momentos of Shepard either before or more likely after giving the corpse to Cerberus.

That's my theory anyway.

Is it confirmed Shepard crashed? I don´t think there would be anything significant to recover after that. About the armor, most likely Cerberus gave it to her. However the tags ended in Hackett´s hands... and I think Shepard´s status was MIA instead of KIA. 

I´d rather think she kept the armor as a reminder of why she went after SB than for sentimental value. That would be masochism.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 23 septembre 2010 - 05:08 .

[Mox Ruuga]

You know Pacifien, you might have something there.

I don't _think_ that's what the writers actually _intended_, but it makes lemonade out of that whopper of a lemon they served us with the unLiara of vanilla ME2.

Works for me!

[Nozybidaj]

Pacifien wrote...

So yeah, my explanation for Liara's behavior in ME2 is that it's a bit more in line with how she's always been before she ever met Shepard. Her different behavior in ME1 is actually the anomaly, brought on by the unfamiliarity with working around humans and her interest in Shepard.

Not sure the forum has a big enough :eyeroll: emote for that. 

[Therion942]

We must also look to questions she asks of the crew in ME1 and what the crew asks of her. Notable conversations like the one between Liara and Ashley about women in the military, or with Wrex about the fights they get in to, yeah sure they're canned lines but Liara's responses to them are telling of a person who isn't quite everything she seems on first glance.



Other characters are also like this, it is not a trait limited to just Liara.

[Pacifien]

Nozybidaj wrote...
Not sure the forum has a big enough :eyeroll: emote for that. 

So I take it you didn't really like my theory, but rather than explain why, you decided to go for dismissive. I actually wouldn't mind reading the why.

[Goodwood]

Goodwood played the LotSB DLC just yesterday.

It was awesome. All is forgiven.

Goodwood suddenly realises that he needs to change the lower signature image, since he got his DLC: Downloadable Liara Content in the form of LotSB.

Modifié par Goodwood, 23 septembre 2010 - 10:58 .

[kaskouka]

Hello everyone. I made some compositions related to my female Shepard (and Liara of course). I have already posted these in the Femshep discussion thread but someone suggested me to share them here. I hope that it will not be redundant and that you will appreciate them.



A LotSB wallpaper (1920x1080) in two different tones :







Another one (1920x1080) :





And finally this poster. I made it before LotSB dlc came out, I didn't know at this time what de Shadow Broker would look like ^^.



Voilà !

Big hug to Liara and all her fans ^^

[Ajosraa]

I think those are some sound arguments Pacifien. I remember that multipule times that If you selected some kind of responce like "I'll protect you", the next line out of her mouth was usuly "Im not looking for protection" or some variation. She was telling you that she may appear unthreatening, but she is not a helpless wallflower. She has prior combat experience fighting off raiders or priveteers, and most likely received Biotic training at some point, either from her mom or something more formal(would be hard not to since most asari are biotics). I think some reflexivly think of her as the damsel in distress partly because she is very reserved, femanin, proper, and polite in ME1. I would like to remind people of the saying "you should watch out for the quiet ones", as they sometimes are a badass just waiting to Snap!.

About what you said conserning her demenor before the events of ME1: I believe she would have been introverted because of studdies, and a reason for performing those studdies was to rebel against her mom. Since mommy wanted her to be very public in her role, she rebeled by taking a very solitary job. It was an escape basicly. So I partly agree with your assesment. She always had the ability to fight back, but in ME2 that is mixed with her feelings of revenge, guilt, anger, rage. What I think could be driving her was that she felt she had to avenge Feron to pay him back, and that was her responsiblity, and she tryed to ignore anything that might get in the way of that, including Shepard. Sometimes work must come before play. I think she felt if she did not she would not be able to focus, not that she did not want to(and also since she now knows your alive, she might say to herself "ok phew, one done, one more to go, at least I know s/he is fine now"). So I dont think she was cold in the same sence in me2 as when she was a scientist before the events of me1, and the events inbetween probably gave her 100 + year long life MUCH more mileage then all of her 50years studying Prothiens. Her trials during the events of me1, me2 and LotSB would have definately contributed to her personality, as this was a much different set of data to consider (to speak as a scientist). She might have been focused in her studdies before me1, but I dont think she was ever quite as "cold" as she was when hunting and killing people for revenge then hunting artifacts for academic review.
hm..getting kinda long, hope this still makes some sence;P

p.s. Nice pictures there Kaskouka, well done! and dont worry about being redundent, some of us MenShep who otherwise would not frequent the FemShep pages as often would still love to see it.  (it does have Liara in it after all;P)

Modifié par Ajosraa, 24 septembre 2010 - 10:51 .

[jlb524]

Hey Goodwod! Long time no see! Glad you like the DLC! Yeah, and that sig needs to go...I remember creating it! Fun times!



@kaskouka



Your stuff is amazing! But, you already know I think this!

[JaylaClark]

Pacifien wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
Not sure the forum has a big enough :eyeroll: emote for that. 

So I take it you didn't really like my theory, but rather than explain why, you decided to go for dismissive. I actually wouldn't mind reading the why.

Me too, actually.  (Though given my history with Nozy I understand difficulty in believing that.)

I see possibilities in your take, Pacifien.  The problem I have with it is probably the very problem Nozy is rather clumsily alluding to himself -- we Liara fans tend to have fallen for the geeky girl we first saw in the original game.  So to suggest that it's not really her that we first see can be upsetting... plus, I have to admit, some of that original-game personality seems to show through from what I've seen from her in LotSB.  I personally think that her awkwardness around Shepard, along with her thirst for knowledge, is still a large part of her character.  (That drive she has to do what's right, too, seems to be a significant undercurrent in the first game, then takes over in the comic -- yes, I'm considering it part of my theory.  Story-wise, it's not as horrible as people say.  Feel free to remember how horrible people consider it when grading that comment; anyway -- to be her primary trait in the retail release... even into Lair.)

To Nozy's credit, he's been very consistent in railing against the recharacterization of Liara as 'grim!dark', which in his opinion was either done to shelve her or sideline her, or just because 'grim!dark' is KEWL.  Truth be told the past eight months... well, the first six of the last eight, that is, before some maleShep vs. femShep broke the spine of the fan club ... has been his side arguing that for some reason (EA not wanting the controversy of a lesbian character in the game was a popular choice -- try and guess how many times I mentioned Sims 3 and Dragon Age to counter?), BioWare was clearly trying to eliminate Liara as a character by first making her undesirable... versus lesEnfantTerribles's side arguing that EA wouldn't be so stupid as to derail a character so beloved as Liara.  (Most of les's side, myself included, spend most of our time in our group lately.) 

And ... well, I'd be so jerky as to declare victory for my side, except that I'll admit, I wasn't fully sure that the problem was understood.  (That is, us ME1 Liarasexuals didn't see the connection between who we saw first and the scary kinda ruthless woman sitting behind the desk on Illium.  I never really thought it was a derailed character, but I definitely thought we deserved many blanks being filled in, which to Casey and Christina's credit, I think they all were addressed in Lair.)  But I guess what I'm trying to say in my long, rambling fashion, is that I really don't think that this was the true reveal of her character... it was more the fleshing out of the character we already knew, under dire circumstances.