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#49501
JaylaClark

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Goodwood wrote...

Goodwood played the LotSB DLC just yesterday.

It was awesome. All is forgiven.

Goodwood suddenly realises that he needs to change the lower signature image, since he got his DLC: Downloadable Liara Content in the form of LotSB.


Jayla agrees, having deleted her "Mac Walters Doesn't Care About Blue People" siggy a few days ago...

Just to state my capsule feelings -- I realize I may have kept those to the LDG -- LET and I both cried.  We pretty much got HIS wishes, barely even adjusted for reality.  (In my strange opinion, we may even be getting as much content as he hoped, in the future... it sets up SO much potential for future content, doesn't it?)

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Pacifien - I find your idea intriguing, but don't entirely agree. I don't think it's so much a matter of ME2 revealing the "real" Liara so much as the events between ME1 and ME2 through to LotSB had Liara finding out things about herself even she didn't know.



I believe that the ME1 Liara was really very genuine, but she found, lurking beneath the great levels of determination she already possessed, a certain degree of ruthlessness that circumstances brought to the fore. One of the things in ME1 that always really struck me about Liara was the moment before dropping the Mako on Ilos (no, people ... *after* that part. Yeesh. Gutter minds). When Pressley (or Pressly, or however that's spelled) can only find a landing zone with 20 meters of clearance and Joker says he can make the drop ... the Virmire Survivor protests that this is suicide, and Liara says that you have to try. Liara is not someone who flinches from what has to be done.



I know I was very vocal about my complaints on this board about how Liara was handled in vanilla ME2, and then I kind of drifted off, because after venting, I just wanted to not think about ME2 until LotSB got released. And now that I've played it four or five times, and completely love it, I am taking this opportunity to apologize in public. BioWare, I'm sorry I was cursing your name for the 6 months between the release of ME2 and LotSB. You did a damn fine job on this DLC, and it resolved all my complaints about how Liara was handled in ME2.



At the time, I thought her behavior was explainable, if you squinted and turned your head to the side to fill in the blanks and were willing to make up your own explanation - but my main complaint was that it was jarring and wasn't set up very well. It was far too drastic a change without anything to back up or explain how/why this happened. LotSB fixed all of that for me. And, well, getting a paragon-interrupt where Shepard gets to snark about hacking terminals sure didn't hurt.



All in all, I find her character arc both believable and interesting - and I think there's no way she isn't going to play a big role in ME3 as a squaddie or information source that would let Shepard blow off both the Council and Cerberus.



I don't even find her fixation on the Shadow Broker off-putting anymore, because at this point, it just kind of feels like it comes from survivor's guilt regarding leaving Feron behind to rescue a corpse that may or may not result in Shepard's resurrection, and a dedication to cleaning up her messes. And, really, if there had been the possibility that the Virmire Non-Survivor hadn't actually died but was - maybe - being held prisoner somewhere, I think my very paragon Shepard would have pulled out all the stops to rescue or avenge VN-S. I respect Liara's commitment to her teammates, now that the motivations are better explained.

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I don't agree with Pacifien either....I think Liara has been consistent. Her consistent character was just placed into wildly varying situations, and we've seen different sides to her one character.



If you've taken a psych course, you can appreciate how the same person will seemingly react differently put under the pressure of varying situations.

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JaylaClark wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Goodwood played the LotSB DLC just yesterday.

It was awesome. All is forgiven.

Goodwood suddenly realises that he needs to change the lower signature image, since he got his DLC: Downloadable Liara Content in the form of LotSB.


Jayla agrees, having deleted her "Mac Walters Doesn't Care About Blue People" siggy a few days ago...

Just to state my capsule feelings -- I realize I may have kept those to the LDG -- LET and I both cried.  We pretty much got HIS wishes, barely even adjusted for reality.  (In my strange opinion, we may even be getting as much content as he hoped, in the future... it sets up SO much potential for future content, doesn't it?)


It seems they did listen to LET...I wonder if he's a secret BW spy?  

I like your new sig, btw.

#49505
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Goodwood wonders if anyone happened to "talk to Liara" in regards to the "lusty video" in the nightclub Azure. Goodwood thinks that FemShep and Liara's mini-dialogue there was priceless.

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And I wonder if Goodwood has taken the time to not only "talk to Liara", but watch the "lusty video" to find what might just be an easter egg - an asari who looks an awful lot like Liara doing the ME1 Flux dance in the stripper outfit right up front. Can't miss her.

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Goodwood wrote...

Goodwood wonders if anyone happened to "talk to Liara" in regards to the "lusty video" in the nightclub Azure. Goodwood thinks that FemShep and Liara's mini-dialogue there was priceless.


was a good asari anatomy lesson.

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Goodwood wrote...

Goodwood wonders if anyone happened to "talk to Liara" in regards to the "lusty video" in the nightclub Azure. Goodwood thinks that FemShep and Liara's mini-dialogue there was priceless.


Indeed.

Saren sucks

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#49509
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jlb524 wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Goodwood wonders if anyone happened to "talk to Liara" in regards to the "lusty video" in the nightclub Azure. Goodwood thinks that FemShep and Liara's mini-dialogue there was priceless.


Indeed.

Saren sucks

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Liara shooting Saren is priceless! Hey JLB... I want your sig!!!

#49510
jlb524

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You can use my sig.

#49511
AndroLeonidas

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jlb524 wrote...

You can use my sig.


Thanks Jen!

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jlb524 wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Goodwood wonders if anyone happened to "talk to Liara" in regards to the "lusty video" in the nightclub Azure. Goodwood thinks that FemShep and Liara's mini-dialogue there was priceless.


Indeed.

Saren sucks

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Wow ! Never saw that, always Wrex was doing that in my playthrough or ... Garrus :)
Liara shooting Saren looks awesome :)

Modifié par Deturis90, 24 septembre 2010 - 10:02 .


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It only happens with Kaidan (or a 'Paragon Ash' I think), but you get some cool screens shots with it.



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Liara also advises you to sacrifice the Council.

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jbauck wrote...

I know I was very vocal about my complaints on this board about how Liara was handled in vanilla ME2, and then I kind of drifted off, because after venting, I just wanted to not think about ME2 until LotSB got released. And now that I've played it four or five times, and completely love it, I am taking this opportunity to apologize in public. BioWare, I'm sorry I was cursing your name for the 6 months between the release of ME2 and LotSB. You did a damn fine job on this DLC, and it resolved all my complaints about how Liara was handled in ME2.


Absolutely. This Liara DLC was worth the initial disappointment, the waiting and the price.

The numerous other complaints against ME 2 are still valid though. I hope that the developers will notice that a lof of people liked how LotSB was done, and that they will use this DLC as a model for the writing in ME 3, and especially of course the role of Liara.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 24 septembre 2010 - 10:12 .


#49515
AndroLeonidas

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If you answered in the group you don't need to again.





Why did the SB keep Feron alive?



Why did he not kill Liara?



Why did he not kill Shepard after his agent in Cerberus got whacked and Shepard got away?



Seems to me that the SB had far more resources than Cerberus yet he feared them for some reason. Why not just take them out?


#49516
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I just updated the fan fic if anyone is interested. Check my sig.

#49517
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Goodwood wrote...

Goodwood wonders if anyone happened to "talk to Liara" in regards to the "lusty video" in the nightclub Azure. Goodwood thinks that FemShep and Liara's mini-dialogue there was priceless.


If Liara was the ME1 LI I would have liked Shepard to say "Ah, that one"

Andreleonidas,

1. Sadism? Making an example to his people?

2. He sent a Specter the moment she started to get close. He seems arrogant enough to not see her as a threat at first.

3. I don´t think he ever had the chance.

4. His bussiness is information. In terms of military power I don´t think he has much more than we saw in game. Cerberus had clearly the upper hand to me in a possible confrontation (at least before Retribution).

#49518
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bjdbwea wrote...


Absolutely. This Liara DLC was worth the initial disappointment, the waiting and the price.

As a little complaint:
I was annoyed by the "gas mask" at the shadow broker ship.I think the armor she weared in the opening scene
wasnt worser then her costume in the Dlc.

#49519
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tonnactus wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...


Absolutely. This Liara DLC was worth the initial disappointment, the waiting and the price.

As a little complaint:
I was annoyed by the "gas mask" at the shadow broker ship.I think the armor she weared in the opening scene
wasnt worser then her costume in the Dlc.


I´m afraid the masks instead of helmets are going to stay. Very stupid, even if we are never in full vacuum in ME2, bare skin (and eyes) in some planet atmospheres is silly.

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jlb524 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Goodwood played the LotSB DLC just yesterday.

It was awesome. All is forgiven.

Goodwood suddenly realises that he needs to change the lower signature image, since he got his DLC: Downloadable Liara Content in the form of LotSB.


Jayla agrees, having deleted her "Mac Walters Doesn't Care About Blue People" siggy a few days ago...

Just to state my capsule feelings -- I realize I may have kept those to the LDG -- LET and I both cried.  We pretty much got HIS wishes, barely even adjusted for reality.  (In my strange opinion, we may even be getting as much content as he hoped, in the future... it sets up SO much potential for future content, doesn't it?)


It seems they did listen to LET...I wonder if he's a secret BW spy?  

I like your new sig, btw.


Actually, I think they listened to everyone, since it seems mostly everyone got what they wanted.

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AndroLeonidas wrote...

If you answered in the group you don't need to again.


Why did the SB keep Feron alive?

Why did he not kill Liara?

Why did he not kill Shepard after his agent in Cerberus got whacked and Shepard got away?

Seems to me that the SB had far more resources than Cerberus yet he feared them for some reason. Why not just take them out?



Why did the SB keep Feron alive? Well, the Shadow Broker wanted to torture him to set an example to his soldiers, and I guess, being locked away in isolation for so many years, he wanted something to have fun with.

Why did he not kill Liara? I guess because he wanted to use her as a way to spy on Shepard, or steal information. Or that she might find a way to survive the reaper threat. 

Why did he not kill Shepard after his agent in Cerberus got whacked and Shepard got away? I guess he was working both sides. If the Collectors paid him to do something, he'd do it. But he also wanted Shepard alive in hopes he'd find a away out.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 24 septembre 2010 - 06:55 .


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Goodwood wonders if anyone noticed the image that Matriarch Aethyta is looking at in the first surveillance video of her from inside the Shadow Broker's lair. Goodwood reckons that this is an image of Liara, and that it is proof of his longstanding theory that the elder asari is in fact Benezia's baby daddy...

#49523
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I noticed that too, and I think that it's indeed supposed to answer that question. Though it could of course also just be some sort of joke, and we might learn in ME 3 that it's someone else. Or perhaps it won't be mentioned at all, which would be unfortunate, since it has the potential for some interesting writing.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 24 septembre 2010 - 07:40 .


#49524
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Hey, I just found the best Liara/Shepard fanfiction I've ever read and I decided that I couldn't keep it to myself:

http://www.fanfictio...f_the_Beginning

It's a similar title to others, but it really is awesome in my opinion.

Modifié par almostinsane, 24 septembre 2010 - 09:34 .


#49525
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I just read that fanfic, End of the Beginning. Very well done in my opinion. short but emotional. I like the post LotSB dynamic LIara and Shepard have. Ill have to steal some of these ideas for my oun personal fanfic universe;P. One of the best maleshep storys in my opinion. read it!:)