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[Unit-Alpha]

Here's the one worry I have: she will be used as a plot device. Having her death/Bastilaization as an important, emotional part of the main plot would be another reason to keep her alive through ME1 and 2. Hopefully, the DLC wasn't a final little tribute to Liara fans before Liara as we know her dies or is Bastilaized.

[ValerioN7]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Here's the one worry I have: she will be used as a plot device. Having her death/Bastilaization as an important, emotional part of the main plot would be another reason to keep her alive through ME1 and 2. Hopefully, the DLC wasn't a final little tribute to Liara fans before Liara as we know her dies or is Bastilaized.

No, they already have Thane's death for making an emotional and sad part of ME3 i think. Surely, Liara will have a major role in ME3's plot, but without necessary dying/becoming evil. I can just see her becoming "cold" if you haven't helped her with the SB, perhaps because Feron is dead, but not becoming an "evil queen", she is still very emotional, i doubt that if Feron wasn't kidnapped by the Shadow Broker she wanted to start the research for 2 years, maybe she would have wanted revenge because of the SB's attempt to sell Shepard's body to the Collectors, but it's unlikely.

She, a young Asari archeologist almost without any experience, fought the Shadow Broker for saving Shepard's body, and then fought for 2 years for saving a friend who helped her recovering Shep's body.

How can she hurt Shepard, especially if you continued the romance with her?

Anyway, new fan art



http://valerion7.dev...rever-181629652
It's simple this time but finally i was able to put some Liara's ME1 images.

Modifié par ValerioN7, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:12 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ValerioN7 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Here's the one worry I have: she will be used as a plot device. Having her death/Bastilaization as an important, emotional part of the main plot would be another reason to keep her alive through ME1 and 2. Hopefully, the DLC wasn't a final little tribute to Liara fans before Liara as we know her dies or is Bastilaized.

No, they already have Thane's death for making an emotional and sad part of ME3 i think. Surely, Liara will have a major role in ME3's plot, but without necessary dying/becoming evil. I can just see her becoming "cold" if you haven't helped her with the SB, perhaps because Feron is dead, but not becoming an "evil queen", she is still very emotional, i doubt that if Feron wasn't kidnapped by the Shadow Broker she wanted to start the research for 2 years, maybe she would have wanted revenge because of the SB's attempt to sell Shepard's body to the Collectors, but it's unlikely.

She, a young Asari archeologist almost without any experience, fought the Shadow Broker for saving Shepard's body, and then fought for 2 years for saving a friend who helped her recovering Shep's body.

How can she hurt Shepard, especially if you continued the romance with her?

Anyway, new fan art


http://valerion7.dev...rever-181629652
It's simple this time but finally i was able to put some Liara's ME1 images.

Well said.

Also lovely picture.

[Unit-Alpha]

ValerioN7 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Here's the one worry I have: she will be used as a plot device. Having her death/Bastilaization as an important, emotional part of the main plot would be another reason to keep her alive through ME1 and 2. Hopefully, the DLC wasn't a final little tribute to Liara fans before Liara as we know her dies or is Bastilaized.

No, they already have Thane's death for making an emotional and sad part of ME3 i think. Surely, Liara will have a major role in ME3's plot, but without necessary dying/becoming evil. I can just see her becoming "cold" if you haven't helped her with the SB, perhaps because Feron is dead, but not becoming an "evil queen", she is still very emotional, i doubt that if Feron wasn't kidnapped by the Shadow Broker she wanted to start the research for 2 years, maybe she would have wanted revenge because of the SB's attempt to sell Shepard's body to the Collectors, but it's unlikely.

She, a young Asari archeologist almost without any experience, fought the Shadow Broker for saving Shepard's body, and then fought for 2 years for saving a friend who helped her recovering Shep's body.

How can she hurt Shepard, especially if you continued the romance with her?

Anyway, new fan art



http://valerion7.dev...rever-181629652
It's simple this time but finally i was able to put some Liara's ME1 images.

I hope you are right. Just the pessimistic side of me makes me think there may be a possibility. I do not want to get my hopes up and have them tragically crushed. Look at what happened when Liara was merely cold in ME2. It made many people angry. Now imagine that situation times 1000 if she dies or turns evil in ME3.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:37 .

[ValerioN7]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

I hope you are right. Just the pessimistic side of me makes me think there may be a possibility. I do not want to get my hopes up and have them tragically crushed. Look at what happened when Liara was merely cold in ME2. It made many people angry. Now imagine that situation times 1000 if she dies or turns evil in ME3.

You're right, but i think they never wanted an "evil" Liara, probably being cold with Shepard on Illium's first reunion was just a mode to show everyone in LotSB like Liara was only angry against the Shadow Broker and the Collectors and most of all worried about Feron and Shepard. Seems like they wanted to show everyone why she has a primary role in both Mass Effect titles. It's like they said
"Look, where were Ashley, Kaidan, Wrex, Garrus or Tali while Shepard was dead? Only the fragile, emotional and young Asari archeologist had the force to immediately go to search Shepard's body, save him from the Collectors and give him a new life trough Cerberus, risking her own life."

And all this after the whole fight against Saren, and the lost of her mother.

@Lizardviking: thank you very much [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

Modifié par ValerioN7, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:57 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ValerioN7 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

I hope you are right. Just the pessimistic side of me makes me think there may be a possibility. I do not want to get my hopes up and have them tragically crushed. Look at what happened when Liara was merely cold in ME2. It made many people angry. Now imagine that situation times 1000 if she dies or turns evil in ME3.

You're right, but i think they never wanted an "evil" Liara, probably being cold with Shepard on Illium's first reunion was just a mode to show everyone in LotSB like Liara was only angry against the Shadow Broker and the Collectors and most of all worried about Feron and Shepard. Seems like they wanted to show everyone why she has a primary role in both Mass Effect titles. It's like they said
"Look, where were Ashley, Kaidan, Wrex, Garrus or Tali while Shepard was dead? Only the fragile, emotional and young Asari archeologist had the force to immediately go to search Shepard's body, save him from the Collectors and give him a new life trough Cerberus, risking her own life."

And all this after the whole fight against Saren, and the lost of her mother.

@Lizardviking: thank you very much [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

As much as I love Liara, and love her even more for the fact that SHE was the one that went after Shepard's body. You must still understand that all other crewmembers had duties to attend to. Which is why they couldn't go after the body. Which is completely understandable.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 05 octobre 2010 - 08:04 .

[ValerioN7]

Lizardviking wrote...
As much as I love Liara, and love her even more for the fact that SHE was the one that went after Shepard's body. You must still understand that all other crewmembers had duties to attend to. Which is why they couldn't go after the body. Which is completely understandable.

I can only justify in part Ashley or Kaidan, because they are Alliance soldiers who can't just go where they want, also if i wonder why the Alliance never sent a research squad for their hero's body. But the others? Garrus went to Omega for fighting mercenaries, Wrex comes back on Tuchanka, Tali comes back to the Migrant Fleet like nothing's happened. Liara surely had some contacts on Illium, or she couldn't become an information broker, so the Normandy wasn't her only home. Considering this, she went after Shep's body without thinking about it. And then fought 2 years for killing the Shadow Broker and recovering Feron.

Modifié par ValerioN7, 05 octobre 2010 - 08:29 .

[bjdbwea]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Here's the one worry I have: she will be used as a plot device. Having her death/Bastilaization as an important, emotional part of the main plot would be another reason to keep her alive through ME1 and 2. Hopefully, the DLC wasn't a final little tribute to Liara fans before Liara as we know her dies or is Bastilaized.

If that would happen, I would probably not buy ME 3. They can follow that route, if Shepard has chance to prevent her death or "Bastilaization". But it must not be mandatory.

I don't think they're going to do something like that, though. Before LotSB, I was quite sure that they didn't care about their own characters from ME 1 anymore, but they wouldn't have invested that much effort into making especially the romance part of LotSB as beautiful as it is, if they didn't care about Liara.

Of course there's still the question who's going to write her role in ME 3. Because the writer(s) who wrote her role in the main game of ME 2, didn't even write that short role properly. If that was due to time constraints, that's one thing. Not an excuse, but an explanation. Hopefully they'll have the time they need for ME 3. But if whoever wrote the original scene on Illium actually thought it was good, then they should definitely leave all writing for Liara to the writer(s) of LotSB.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 05 octobre 2010 - 08:42 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ValerioN7 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
As much as I love Liara, and love her even more for the fact that SHE was the one that went after Shepard's body. You must still understand that all other crewmembers had duties to attend to. Which is why they couldn't go after the body. Which is completely understandable.

I can only justify in part Ashley or Kaidan, because they are Alliance soldiers who can't just go where they want, also if i wonder why the Alliance never sent a research squad for their hero's body. But the others? Garrus went to Omega for fighting mercenaries, Wrex comes back on Tuchanka, Tali comes back to the Migrant Fleet like nothing's happened. Liara surely had some contacts on Illium, or she couldn't become an information broker, so the Normandy wasn't her only home. Considering this, she went after Shep's body without thinking about it. And then fought 2 years for killing the Shadow Broker and recovering Feron.

Wrex left immediatly after Saren was defeated, to unite the Krogan-clans. He wasn't onboard the Normandy SR-1.

Garrus also left immediatly after Saren's defeat AFAIK. Spends a few months in C-sec or training as a spectre.

While
you could agrue that Tali didn't have any duties. She did have her
pilgram gift, and to be perfectly honest, it's totally understandable
why she went back. Shepard was dead, the Normandy destroyed. So she went
back to help her own people (and the Qurians need all the help they can
get).

Liara was the only one who (presumeably) had large
resources at her disposal and nothing else to do. Her friends have all
went in their own directions, her mother is dead. She proberly spend a
week on the Citidal wondering what to do next, until she got the hint
regarding Shepard's body.

[ValerioN7]

Lizardviking wrote...

Wrex left immediatly after Saren was defeated, to unite the Krogan-clans. He wasn't onboard the Normandy SR-1.

Garrus also left immediatly after Saren's defeat AFAIK. Spends a few months in C-sec or training as a spectre.

While
you could agrue that Tali didn't have any duties. She did have her
pilgram gift, and to be perfectly honest, it's totally understandable
why she went back. Shepard was dead, the Normandy destroyed. So she went
back to help her own people (and the Qurians need all the help they can
get).

Liara was the only one who (presumeably) had large
resources at her disposal and nothing else to do. Her friends have all
went in their own directions, her mother is dead. She proberly spend a
week on the Citidal wondering what to do next, until she got the hint
regarding Shepard's body.

I didn't knew the Wrex or Garrus actions after Saren's death, thanks. Anyway, seems like no one cared too much about Shepard's death, no one (and i'm talking about the Council or the Alliance) sent a research squad for Shepard's body.

Only Liara took care of him, and i think that she will do everything she can for avoid Shepard to die again in ME3. Especially if you reunited with her, and promised her to come back alive for wedding and childs.

I'm leaving, see you tomorrow.

Modifié par ValerioN7, 05 octobre 2010 - 08:58 .

[almostinsane]

I do not think Bioware would write such an engaging romance only disappoint us in Mass Effect Three. I'm pretty sure she'll have a big role and an epic romance storyline.

[ValerioN7]

almostinsane wrote...

I do not think Bioware would write such an engaging romance only disappoint us in Mass Effect Three. I'm pretty sure she'll have a big role and an epic romance storyline.

The big role is sure, we are hoping for the epic romance end. Which is almost sure i think, (the romance is already epic), but with BioWare you can never say never .

Anyway, this topic needs more Liara's pics. Let's taking the example of Tali's topic. And i'm not talking about my fan arts, because i'm starting to publish new thing slooooooowly now.

The summer is over

Modifié par ValerioN7, 06 octobre 2010 - 01:23 .

[IndigoWolfe]

I have to wonder; if and/or when Liara and Shepard get married, what kind of ceremony would it be? Would it be more in line with human traditions, or would it be whatever the asari do when they take a bondmate, whatever that may be?

And my feet are very cold right now.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 06 octobre 2010 - 03:29 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I have to wonder; if and/or when Liara and Shepard get married, what kind of ceremony would it be? Would it be more in line with human traditions, or would it be whatever the asari do when they take a bondmate, whatever that may be?

And my feet are very cold right now.

Should be more in line with the Asari cermony, perhaps it could be possible to mix a little human-tradition in it? Have a bit both.

[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I have to wonder; if and/or when Liara and Shepard get married, what kind of ceremony would it be? Would it be more in line with human traditions, or would it be whatever the asari do when they take a bondmate, whatever that may be?

And my feet are very cold right now.

Should be more in line with the Asari cermony, perhaps it could be possible to mix a little human-tradition in it? Have a bit both.

Of course, we don't know what kind of ceremony it is for the asari. Although I would guess that family is involved. But that brings up the problem of Liara having no more family. Or at least, no more family that she's talked about.

But then, the crew of the Normandy could be a perfect substitute. And maybe Shiala, since she followed Benezia. And Shai'Ira would probably be overseeing the ceremony --since she would most likely know this stuff the best.

All we really know about the traditions between asari bondmates is that there is a ceremonial bracelet --at least for the ceremony itself. Although my Shepard would personally prefer to wear a ring.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 06 octobre 2010 - 04:44 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I have to wonder; if and/or when Liara and Shepard get married, what kind of ceremony would it be? Would it be more in line with human traditions, or would it be whatever the asari do when they take a bondmate, whatever that may be?

And my feet are very cold right now.

Should be more in line with the Asari cermony, perhaps it could be possible to mix a little human-tradition in it? Have a bit both.

Of course, we don't know what kind of ceremony it is for the asari. Although I would guess that family is involved. But that brings up the problem of Liara having no more family. Or at least, no more family that she's talked about.

But then, the crew of the Normandy could be a perfect substitute. And maybe Shiala, since she followed Benezia. And Shai'Ira would probably be overseeing the ceremony --since she would most likely know this stuff the best.

All we really know about the traditions between asari bondmates is that there is a ceremonial bracelet --at least for the ceremony itself. Although my Shepard would personally prefer to wear a ring.

No family being present might work well for most Shepard's, because they never had one or they are dead. Althrough if Shepard is a spacer (like mine) then hopefully Hannah will be present. And as you said the crew of the Normandy is almost Shepard (and Liara's?) new family. As for non crew-members I wouldn't mind seeing.

Shiala
Anderson
Wrex
Gianna
Lorik´qin
Conrad Verner
Shisk

And Shai'ira the consort? Why would she be there? Pretty sure Shepard and CO. can find a priestiess to oversee the ritual instead of a prostitute.

[AlexMBrennan]

I disagree with IndigoWolfe - I think the real reason you are trying to include Sha'Ira and Shiala may be that they are named NPCs.
Given Liara's love of crowds I'd argue that a quiet ceremony (close friends and family, no inter-galactic superstars like THE Consort) witnessed by a clerk (generic) would be more likely.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 06 octobre 2010 - 05:10 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I disagree with IndigoWolfe - I think the real reason you are trying to include Sha'Ira and Shiala may be that they are named NPCs.
Given Liara's love of crowds I'd argue that a quiet ceremony (close friends and family, no inter-galactic superstars like THE Consort) witnessed by a clerk (generic) would be more likely.

Shiala should be invited. She did serve under Benezia and might know Liara.

[TMA LIVE]

If you guys are talking about the Bond Ceremony, we do know it involves a Bond Ceremony Gown, a Bond Ceremony Bracelet from Samara's Dossier.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 06 octobre 2010 - 06:24 .

[ZABL2010]

For Unit-Alpha and ValerioN7

I think that Liara - “favorite character" for the game developers (and for many fans too). Especially if You trace her story from the first game. One example is on the site (new fan art):

http://www.dailymoti...ara-me1-3_music

It’s easy to guess about her “key role" in ME3 ( will not depend from her “romantic story").

[Unit-Alpha]

ZABL2010 wrote...

For Unit-Alpha and ValerioN7
I think that Liara - “favorite character" for the game developers (and for many fans too). Especially if You trace her story from the first game. One example is on the site (new fan art):
http://www.dailymoti...ara-me1-3_music
It’s easy to guess about her “key role" in ME3 ( will not depend from her “romantic story").

Oh, yeah, I also feel Liara is probably the favorite of the devs as well; I wrote up a page of bulleted reasons why. It's back in here somewhere. I just always chose to be pessimistic.

[ValerioN7]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

ZABL2010 wrote...

For Unit-Alpha and ValerioN7
I think that Liara - “favorite character" for the game developers (and for many fans too). Especially if You trace her story from the first game. One example is on the site (new fan art):
http://www.dailymoti...ara-me1-3_music
It’s easy to guess about her “key role" in ME3 ( will not depend from her “romantic story").

Oh, yeah, I also feel Liara is probably the favorite of the devs as well; I wrote up a page of bulleted reasons why. It's back in here somewhere. I just always chose to be pessimistic.

I definitely agree. She's the favourite of almost everyone :wub: and this is probably why she has a key role, and definitely the best romance in both games (and in 3, of course). And for the movie...

Talking about the wedding... i would prefer an Asari cerimony with some humans traditions, maybe on Illium or another Asari planet. With almost all the characters invited, included some NPC like Shiala and Aethyta. And of course, all the old friends  .

Let's think at the childs:

"Aunt Tali, can i try the helmet? Can i? Can i? Can i? Can i? Why noooooooooooooot auuuuuuuuunt"

"...Uncle Wrex?"

"Liara. Little."

"Mummmyyyyy he said it again"

Modifié par ValerioN7, 06 octobre 2010 - 09:18 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Liara might be thought fondly of by some of the devs, tho I'm fairly sure not by everyone... Given the way she was written for the release version of ME2 (or butchered and character derailed, which might be the more accurate term)...

In fact, I don't think I've seen any dev single her out as a personal fave... whereas at least Grunt, Jack, and I'm fairly sure Mordin have all been mentioned.

[pacer90]

Regardless of a wedding or whatever you guys are talking about I believe that Liara needs to be directly involved with the conflict resolution of ME3.



ME1 felt right with her there talking about if we should save the destiny ascension or not, popping Saren in the head too.



ME2 came around and she was off in on a ship playing with intel. I was in the middle of the collector base assuming that me and everyone around me was going to be turned into very gooey people.



As great of a character as she is I can't forgive the dev's if she's confined to a 3x3 meter box on a ship far away sending me emails or holovids about my next mission. She needs to be directly involved, combat or not she needs to be there when we defeat the reapers, not acting as my spy overseas.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ValerioN7 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

ZABL2010 wrote...

For Unit-Alpha and ValerioN7
I think that Liara - “favorite character" for the game developers (and for many fans too). Especially if You trace her story from the first game. One example is on the site (new fan art):
http://www.dailymoti...ara-me1-3_music
It’s easy to guess about her “key role" in ME3 ( will not depend from her “romantic story").

Oh, yeah, I also feel Liara is probably the favorite of the devs as well; I wrote up a page of bulleted reasons why. It's back in here somewhere. I just always chose to be pessimistic.

I definitely agree. She's the favourite of almost everyone :wub: and this is probably why she has a key role, and definitely the best romance in both games (and in 3, of course). And for the movie...

Talking about the wedding... i would prefer an Asari cerimony with some humans traditions, maybe on Illium or another Asari planet. With almost all the characters invited, included some NPC like Shiala and Aethyta. And of course, all the old friends  .

Let's think at the childs:

"Aunt Tali, can i try the helmet? Can i? Can i? Can i? Can i? Why noooooooooooooot auuuuuuuuunt"

"...Uncle Wrex?"

"Liara. Little."

"Mummmyyyyy he said it again"

Aww! Don't forget Mordin. I could imagine that they would constantly ask him to sing them another song!

Sadly, such things will never be shown in the game !