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[TMA LIVE]

drwells123 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm not saying bad writing wasn't involved. It's completely bull**** that neither talked about their relationship till after a fight scene (and possibly months later since when they first met on Illium). And Liara's anger toward the Shadow Broker is completely off (I must make him PAY! They must all PAY! You don't know what he did! I must DESTROY HIM!) since he only tried to sell Shepard, and imprisoned a friend she knew for one day. That doesn't sound like a "I MUST FIT HIM INTO A COFFEE CUP!" kind of motive.

I've been thinking that the end of Redemption would make more sense if Liara had actually abandoned Feron in order to save Shepard, rather than Feron sacrificing himself. Out of character for her? Yes, but suppose she had to choose one or the other.

After that, I think things make more sense. Every time she looks at Shepard, she's going to be sick with guilt, so of course she seems standoffish. She wants to serve up the SB while wearing a Starbucks apron? Displaced guilt is a terrific fountain of hate. She's obsessed? Yes, with righting a terrible wrong she was driven to commit (by love, if you like).

Edit: For fun, try replacing Picard and Lily with Liara and Shepard in this scene:

Well, in the comic, that is the case. She had to choose between saving Feron, or jump on a ship with Shepard's corpse before a Collector. She chose to save the corpse.

I kind of wish the Shadow Broker pointed that out in the meeting. It would have made him a better villain.

Shadow Broker: Ahh, Dr. T'Soni... why do you hate me so much? By the way... How much has she told you, Commander Shepard? Did she ever tell you how Feron really came into my possession?

Shepard: She told me enough.

Shadow Broker: Did she? Well, did she ever mention how she left him behind to die in order to save your corpse?

Liara: No! That's not true! You took him! This is all your doing!

Shadow Broker: NO! You left him to die! Just see for yourself!

(the monitors start playing a video of scenes from Redemption. Liara's running towards a ship, calling for Feron, till she turns around and sees him being beaten up by Taz. She then turns around and see a Collector about to board the ship. Instead of saving Feron, she goes to the ship, kicks the Collector off, and flies away)

Shadow Broker: THERE! You had a choice, and you chose to LEAVE HIM!

Liara: How did you...

Shadow Broker: I'm the Shadow Broker. I know everything, and I am everywhere at once! (pause) All this destruction and death... This was never about me... this was about you trading one life for another. Except one of them wasn't even alive. I'm simply trying to stay alive.

Liara: Enough! I'm going to end you now!

Shadow Broker: It's pointless to challenge me Asari (and continues as it did).

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 octobre 2010 - 12:23 .

[bjdbwea]

Yeah, good writing. A bit more dialogue with the SB would have been nice. Of course later there should have been a conversation between Liara and Shepard about the matter.

[pacer90]

Liara's character was perfect in LotSB. Her slightly changing facial features reached a perfect balance too. (ME1-ME2-LotSB)



I really hope they don't try some kind of massive character revamp. Right now:



- She's confident, ready to do missions.

- Not fragile (no "oh the joining exhausted me")

- She uses more of her sarcastic wit she had in ME1. It only came out once or twice in ME1 but in LotSB it came out a lot. Very funny, very to the point.

- Less of the childish wide eyed naivety. However she isn't afraid to admit she's venerable, and she still asks about you, not only concerned with herself.

- Generally awesome. Dont' **** it up Bioware!





Personally, I believe she'll start out as SB quest giver, then through some drastic plot change she ends up more mobile. I can't believe they would keep her cooped up in the base, only walking around.



Feron is alive for a reason, he's still in the ship for a reason. He's an information broker for a reason. He's also expendable, if they want to kill him off to show how dangerous it is on the SB ship in order to get Liara to leave they can. It's looking very good for Liara not being a stationary quest dispenser.

[Zulu_DFA]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shadow Broker: ... All this destruction and death... This was never about me... this was about you trading one life for another. Except one of them wasn't even alive.

I guess, TSB realized that Shepard walking and breathing in front of him is evidence enough of that not being true. Come on, Liara fans, she did everything right back then! She had to leave Feron behind to complete the mission.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 09 octobre 2010 - 05:09 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Weekes handles some characters like Tali and Liara better, while Walters handles some characters like Grunt, etc, better.

It seems that Weekes is a more subtle, emotion-focused, and artful writer, while Walters is better at heavy-handed, blatant writing.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 09 octobre 2010 - 05:23 .

[TMA LIVE]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shadow Broker: ... All this destruction and death... This was never about me... this was about you trading one life for another. Except one of them wasn't even alive.

I guess, TSB realized that Shepard walking and breathing in front of him is evidence enough of that not being true. Come on, Liara fans, she did everything right back then! She had to leave Feron behind to complete the mission.

Yeah, but Liara only learned that Shepard was alive a month ago. Until then, it was "I HAVE TO GET REVENGE! I have debts that need to be paid" for 2 years. It's more of suppose to mean  "You've done nothing but try to kill me simply because you want to blame me for putting you in that situation. But it was you two who broke into my base. It was you two who stole Shepard's corpse from me. And you who left Feron behind for Shepard. The only thing I did was try to survive and make a profit, and only attacked once you learned my location. I kept Feron prisoner because he was a trailor that cost me money, a base, and loyalty towards the Collectors. All this death for one man, who you put in this predicament. You and him have nothing but yourselves to blame."

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 octobre 2010 - 05:23 .

[ValerioN7]

pacer90 wrote...

Liara's character was perfect in LotSB. Her slightly changing facial features reached a perfect balance too. (ME1-ME2-LotSB)

I really hope they don't try some kind of massive character revamp. Right now:

- She's confident, ready to do missions.
- Not fragile (no "oh the joining exhausted me")
- She uses more of her sarcastic wit she had in ME1. It only came out once or twice in ME1 but in LotSB it came out a lot. Very funny, very to the point.
- Less of the childish wide eyed naivety. However she isn't afraid to admit she's venerable, and she still asks about you, not only concerned with herself.
- Generally awesome. Dont' **** it up Bioware!


Personally, I believe she'll start out as SB quest giver, then through some drastic plot change she ends up more mobile. I can't believe they would keep her cooped up in the base, only walking around.

Feron is alive for a reason, he's still in the ship for a reason. He's an information broker for a reason. He's also expendable, if they want to kill him off to show how dangerous it is on the SB ship in order to get Liara to leave they can. It's looking very good for Liara not being a stationary quest dispenser.

I agree entirely.

[Zulu_DFA]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shadow Broker: ... All this destruction and death... This was never about me... this was about you trading one life for another. Except one of them wasn't even alive.

I guess, TSB realized that Shepard walking and breathing in front of him is evidence enough of that not being true. Come on, Liara fans, she did everything right back then! She had to leave Feron behind to complete the mission.

Yeah, but Liara only learned that Shepard was alive a month ago. Until then, it was "I HAVE TO GET REVENGE! I have debts that need to be paid" for 2 years. It's more of suppose to mean  "You've done nothing but try to kill me simply because you want to blame me for putting you in that situation. But it was you two who broke into my base. It was you two who stole Shepard's corpse from me. And you who left Feron behind for Shepard. The only thing I did was try to survive and make a profit, and only attacked once you learned my location. I kept Feron prisoner because he was a trailor that cost me money, a base, and loyalty towards the Collectors. All this death for one man, who you put in this predicament."

Ah, I see. You wish the "Dr. T'Soni, your interference caused all this" to have been expanded on. Well, fair enough for a Liara fan... But wouldn't Shepard have been a little lost there standing and listening to their BS, while as a matter of fact it would have been at least a month old? A renegade interrupt like the one during Hock's vault scene ("Have I got your attention, Shadow Broker") would have been warranted...

[TMA LIVE]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shadow Broker: ... All this destruction and death... This was never about me... this was about you trading one life for another. Except one of them wasn't even alive.

I guess, TSB realized that Shepard walking and breathing in front of him is evidence enough of that not being true. Come on, Liara fans, she did everything right back then! She had to leave Feron behind to complete the mission.

Yeah, but Liara only learned that Shepard was alive a month ago. Until then, it was "I HAVE TO GET REVENGE! I have debts that need to be paid" for 2 years. It's more of suppose to mean  "You've done nothing but try to kill me simply because you want to blame me for putting you in that situation. But it was you two who broke into my base. It was you two who stole Shepard's corpse from me. And you who left Feron behind for Shepard. The only thing I did was try to survive and make a profit, and only attacked once you learned my location. I kept Feron prisoner because he was a trailor that cost me money, a base, and loyalty towards the Collectors. All this death for one man, who you put in this predicament."

Ah, I see. You wish the "Dr. T'Soni, your interference caused all this" to have been expanded on. Well, fair enough for a Liara fan... But wouldn't Shepard have been a little lost there standing and listening to their BS, while as a matter of fact it would have been at least a month old? A renegade interrupt like the one during Hock's vault scene ("Have I got your attention, Shadow Broker") would have been warranted...

RENEGADE INTERRUPT:

SHEPARD: OH FOR PEACE SAKES, WILL YOU TWO SHUT UP! I DON'T GOT TIME TO LISTEN TO "WHO DID WHAT?" ALL DAY! (points to Shadow Broker) YOU! SURRENDER, OR DIE!

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 octobre 2010 - 05:39 .

[Zulu_DFA]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shadow Broker: ... All this destruction and death... This was never about me... this was about you trading one life for another. Except one of them wasn't even alive.

I guess, TSB realized that Shepard walking and breathing in front of him is evidence enough of that not being true. Come on, Liara fans, she did everything right back then! She had to leave Feron behind to complete the mission.

Yeah, but Liara only learned that Shepard was alive a month ago. Until then, it was "I HAVE TO GET REVENGE! I have debts that need to be paid" for 2 years. It's more of suppose to mean  "You've done nothing but try to kill me simply because you want to blame me for putting you in that situation. But it was you two who broke into my base. It was you two who stole Shepard's corpse from me. And you who left Feron behind for Shepard. The only thing I did was try to survive and make a profit, and only attacked once you learned my location. I kept Feron prisoner because he was a trailor that cost me money, a base, and loyalty towards the Collectors. All this death for one man, who you put in this predicament."

Ah, I see. You wish the "Dr. T'Soni, your interference caused all this" to have been expanded on. Well, fair enough for a Liara fan... But wouldn't Shepard have been a little lost there standing and listening to their BS, while as a matter of fact it would have been at least a month old? A renegade interrupt like the one during Hock's vault scene ("Have I got your attention, Shadow Broker") would have been warranted...

RENEGADE INTERRUPT:

SHEPARD: OH FOR PEACE SAKES, WILL YOU TWO SHUT UP! I DON'T GOT TIME TO LISTEN TO "WHO DID WHAT?" ALL DAY! (points to Shadow Broker) YOU! SURRENDER, OR DIE!

Thaaat better!..

[TMA LIVE]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shadow Broker: ... All this destruction and death... This was never about me... this was about you trading one life for another. Except one of them wasn't even alive.

I guess, TSB realized that Shepard walking and breathing in front of him is evidence enough of that not being true. Come on, Liara fans, she did everything right back then! She had to leave Feron behind to complete the mission.

Yeah, but Liara only learned that Shepard was alive a month ago. Until then, it was "I HAVE TO GET REVENGE! I have debts that need to be paid" for 2 years. It's more of suppose to mean  "You've done nothing but try to kill me simply because you want to blame me for putting you in that situation. But it was you two who broke into my base. It was you two who stole Shepard's corpse from me. And you who left Feron behind for Shepard. The only thing I did was try to survive and make a profit, and only attacked once you learned my location. I kept Feron prisoner because he was a trailor that cost me money, a base, and loyalty towards the Collectors. All this death for one man, who you put in this predicament."

Ah, I see. You wish the "Dr. T'Soni, your interference caused all this" to have been expanded on. Well, fair enough for a Liara fan... But wouldn't Shepard have been a little lost there standing and listening to their BS, while as a matter of fact it would have been at least a month old? A renegade interrupt like the one during Hock's vault scene ("Have I got your attention, Shadow Broker") would have been warranted...

But seriously, don't you think Shepard might be a little "Wait... you let some guy get caught and tortured for 2 years on the slim chance that my dead body could be resurrected one day? I'm mean... I'm grateful and it paid off but... dead bodies don't come back to life often..."

And this isn't a month old. Liara's still blaming the Shadow Broker for everything with ANGER, and claiming Feron got captured (and not left behind). It's not about "did it pay off". It's about her trading one for the other, but trying to put full blame on someone else. Which I think was a missed opportunity, as well as a nice way to explain why Liara has so much hatred for him, as well as give the Shadow Broker something to counter back.

[AlexMBrennan]

But seriously, don't you think Shepard might be a little "Wait... you let some guy get caught and tortured for 2 years on the slim chance that my dead body could be resurrected one day? I'm mean... I'm grateful and it paid off but... dead bodies don't come back to life often..."

Exactly. IMHO Liara's obsession with Shepard's remains (/body?) is seriously screwed up. The Lazarus stunt only worked because of the Anthropic Principle and yet everybody (here on the forums) seems to think that this was the Right Thing for her to do.

Sadly, there is no option to call her out on this in-game either.

[drwells123]

TMA LIVE wrote...

RENEGADE INTERRUPT:

SHEPARD: OH FOR PEACE SAKES, WILL YOU TWO SHUT UP! I DON'T GOT TIME TO LISTEN TO "WHO DID WHAT?" ALL DAY! (points to Shadow Broker) YOU! SURRENDER, OR DIE!

Or:

SB: Dr. T'Soni. Your interference caused all this.

Shepard: Sure, blame someone else, just like always.

SB: What?

Shepard (sniffling): Oh boo f---in' hoo. Oh poor widdle me.

Liara giggles.

SB: But -

Shepard: Oh, but I didn't MEAN to blow up that building and kill all those innocent
people and make the Spectre recruiting program a laughingstock and torture this poor schnook for two years, it's all that evil Dr. T'Soni's fault! She made me do it! Damn her!

SB: You're right, ladies. I've been a right bastard. Hey, uh, VI! Whatever your name is.

VI: Yes, Shadow Broker?

SB: I've been neglecting my duties as a host. Bring us some tea and cookies. And let the Drell out so we'll have a fourth for bridge.

Liara: What's "bridge"?

Shepard (rubbing her head as if to forestall a headache) : Good God, no. Let's just fight instead. Quick, come up with something brutally perceptive to say to him.

[ValerioN7]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

But seriously, don't you think Shepard might be a little "Wait... you let some guy get caught and tortured for 2 years on the slim chance that my dead body could be resurrected one day? I'm mean... I'm grateful and it paid off but... dead bodies don't come back to life often..."

Exactly. IMHO Liara's obsession with Shepard's remains (/body?) is seriously screwed up. The Lazarus stunt only worked because of the Anthropic Principle and yet everybody (here on the forums) seems to think that this was the Right Thing for her to do.
Sadly, there is no option to call her out on this in-game either.

I think you're overstimating Feron's role. If i'm not wrong, no one forced him to help Liara. That was Liara's mission, it's why Feron was with her, and you know, no one said that recovering Shepard's body couldn't be dangerous. They both knew that they could be captured or die. Liara's mission was simple: recovering Shepard body. And she did it. I can't see why she would have let Shepard go for saving Feron. He is an information broker and an agent, and he knew the risks while he choose to go saving Shepard with Liara.

And it wasn't obsession, but loyalty, which is different. She recovered Shepard's body because Cerberus gave her a chance to making him come back to life, and avoid another possible threat from the Collectors. Even if she was the only one really loyal to Shepard, i doubt she would have recovered Shep's body without any chance to save him. At least, she wouldn't have risked her own life, if there wasn't at least a chance.

Modifié par ValerioN7, 09 octobre 2010 - 09:42 .

[pf17456]

ValerioN7 wrote...

And it wasn't obsession, but loyalty, which is different. She recovered Shepard's body because Cerberus gave her a chance to making him come back to life, and avoid another possible threat from the Collectors. Even if she was the only one really loyal to Shepard, i doubt she would have recovered Shep's body without any chance to save him. At least, she wouldn't have risked her own life, if there wasn't at least a chance.

Well said

[TMA LIVE]

ValerioN7 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

But seriously, don't you think Shepard might be a little "Wait... you let some guy get caught and tortured for 2 years on the slim chance that my dead body could be resurrected one day? I'm mean... I'm grateful and it paid off but... dead bodies don't come back to life often..."

Exactly. IMHO Liara's obsession with Shepard's remains (/body?) is seriously screwed up. The Lazarus stunt only worked because of the Anthropic Principle and yet everybody (here on the forums) seems to think that this was the Right Thing for her to do.
Sadly, there is no option to call her out on this in-game either.

I think you're overstimating Feron's role. If i'm not wrong, no one forced him to help Liara. That was Liara's mission, it's why Feron was with her, and you know, no one said that recovering Shepard's body couldn't be dangerous. They both knew that they could be captured or die. Liara's mission was simple: recovering Shepard body. And she did it. I can't see why she would have let Shepard go for saving Feron. He is an information broker and an agent, and he knew the risks while he choose to go saving Shepard with Liara.

Though I wouldn't call it obsession, it's the fact that Shepard's dead body was more worth saving then Feron, the living dude. That's the problem. Again, I won't argue that it didn't pay off, and Shep being alive can do some good (and save the galaxy). But it's the fact that she operated on the slim chance that "maybe" Cerberus will find a way to make a piece of "meat" that's "Hard to tell if it's even a man or a woman, blown to hell like that" come back to life, and look good at the same time. And it's that reason she left Feron to be captured or killed.

Seriously, it's even a miracle that Shepard even came back. That's why it's hard to believe she did all that.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 octobre 2010 - 10:32 .

[drwells123]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Though I wouldn't call it obsession, it's the fact that Shepard's dead body was more worth saving then Feron, the living dude. That's the problem. Again, I won't argue that it didn't pay off, and Shep being alive can do some good (and save the galaxy). But it's the fact that she operated on the slim chance that "maybe" Cerberus will find a way to make a piece of "meat" that's "Hard to tell if it's even a man or a woman, blown to hell like that" come back to life, and look good at the same time. And it's that reason she left Feron to be captured or killed.

Seriously, it's even a miracle that Shepard even came back. That's why it's hard to believe she did all that.

Good point. I hadn't thought of it that way. If you have to choose between a 90% chance of saving a complete stranger and a 10% chance of saving, say, your kid, it's going to be very hard not to choose the latter, however "irrational" that is mathematically speaking.

One also has to wonder if Liara ever really let herself believe that Shepard couldn't be brought back. Assuming they were close, she wouldn't have had time to get past the denial stage until she'd already handed the body over. In her head, it might not have been a choice between Feron and a piece of meat at all.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

ValerioN7 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

But seriously, don't you think Shepard might be a little "Wait... you let some guy get caught and tortured for 2 years on the slim chance that my dead body could be resurrected one day? I'm mean... I'm grateful and it paid off but... dead bodies don't come back to life often..."

Exactly. IMHO Liara's obsession with Shepard's remains (/body?) is seriously screwed up. The Lazarus stunt only worked because of the Anthropic Principle and yet everybody (here on the forums) seems to think that this was the Right Thing for her to do.
Sadly, there is no option to call her out on this in-game either.

I think you're overstimating Feron's role. If i'm not wrong, no one forced him to help Liara. That was Liara's mission, it's why Feron was with her, and you know, no one said that recovering Shepard's body couldn't be dangerous. They both knew that they could be captured or die. Liara's mission was simple: recovering Shepard body. And she did it. I can't see why she would have let Shepard go for saving Feron. He is an information broker and an agent, and he knew the risks while he choose to go saving Shepard with Liara.

Though I wouldn't call it obsession, it's the fact that Shepard's dead body was more worth saving then Feron, the living dude. That's the problem. Again, I won't argue that it didn't pay off, and Shep being alive can do some good (and save the galaxy). But it's the fact that she operated on the slim chance that "maybe" Cerberus will find a way to make a piece of "meat" that's "Hard to tell if it's even a man or a woman, blown to hell like that" come back to life, and look good at the same time. And it's that reason she left Feron to be captured or killed.

Seriously, it's even a miracle that Shepard even came back. That's why it's hard to believe she did all that.

Didn't Feron encourage Liara to go after Shepard's body and escape?

But having the SB play on the fact that Liara left her friend in favor of a corpse should have been played more upon.

[Gibb_Shepard]

I have a hard time accepting that Liara in ME1 is Liara in ME2/LOTSB. Her voice is the same, her looks are the same, but her personality is COMPLETELY different. I like LOTSB Liara a lot more, but when i compare her to ME1 Liara, there are no similarities whatsoever, it's like she's a completely different character. Even taking into account all the **** she went through, its doesn't justify her sudden split personality. Bioware really stuffed up Liara's continuation.



I just hope they can continue her slightly more badass personality, and not do another 360 and turn her into a completely different person, again.

[turian councilor Knockout]

I wouldnt call liara badass in LOTSB.



Shes not even more badass than paragon Shepard that helps everyone he sees.

[Zulu_DFA]

TMA LIVE wrote...

But seriously, don't you think Shepard might be a little "Wait... you let some guy get caught and tortured for 2 years on the slim chance that my dead body could be resurrected one day? I'm mean... I'm grateful and it paid off but... dead bodies don't come back to life often..."

And this isn't a month old. Liara's still blaming the Shadow Broker for everything with ANGER, and claiming Feron got captured (and not left behind). It's not about "did it pay off". It's about her trading one for the other, but trying to put full blame on someone else. Which I think was a missed opportunity, as well as a nice way to explain why Liara has so much hatred for him, as well as give the Shadow Broker something to counter back.

To me it's quite obvious Liara does put very much blame on herself. In the comic she even puts some blame on herself of leaving Shepard behind...

Stupid girl. To a renegade, with all the "mission comes first" attitude, it's pretty obvious, that she did the right thing. Casualties are acceptable, friendlies or collaterals. The Shadow Broker was a renegade, no doubt about that, so any suggestion of it being Liara's fault against what he said aboout it just being caused by Liara, would be, like, insincere.

Well, if you want, Liara made a renegade choice then. You can't deny that with the LotSB ending (basically, with her making a choice) she got even more "red tint" to her character. I, for one, wouldn't jump if a subtle "Imperial March" cue played when she went all "Wow, I can start a war in ten minutes!"

[ValerioN7]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I have a hard time accepting that Liara in ME1 is Liara in ME2/LOTSB. Her voice is the same, her looks are the same, but her personality is COMPLETELY different. I like LOTSB Liara a lot more, but when i compare her to ME1 Liara, there are no similarities whatsoever, it's like she's a completely different character. Even taking into account all the **** she went through, its doesn't justify her sudden split personality. Bioware really stuffed up Liara's continuation.

I just hope they can continue her slightly more badass personality, and not do another 360 and turn her into a completely different person, again.

She isn't changed too much, at the end, or at least a part of her old personality is still alive. She is still emotional, as you can see immediately after defeating the Shadow Broker, and she still believes in loyalty, friendship and love, just like she did in ME1. I can just see a "wall" between her and the rest of the world, a wall created by all the stuff she went trough in 2 years, a wall that allowed her to hide the angry for Feron, the hate against the Shadow Broker and the concern for Shepard. This, plus the security that the Information broker work gave her, made her apparently different from the one she was.

But the cry after she SB's death was just the start. A hug, a kiss, and back to work. This is what Liara does in ME2, in both first reunion and LotSB. Working hard means not thinking, or at least not thinking about bad things, like losing Shepard again while he's fighting against the reapers, which i think is her biggest concern. Now that Shepard is back, and Feron is save, she can't still breathe, because there is still the reapers threat, and Shepard will risk his life again. Liara knows that, and she tells you in the Normandy reunion, if you romanced her. I think that we'll be able to see the old Liara again only when everything will be finished, and they'll be able to be together again, only themselves, like the month before Shepard's death. Liara only wants this, but she can't think too much about it or the mix of emotion, fear and concern could psychologically destroy her.

I suspect that we will just see her literally collapse at the end of ME3, then reopening her eyes and making a big, big, big smile. Now everything is over, and this time is forever. Only Liara, and Shepard.



Wow, that could easily be a fanfic

Modifié par ValerioN7, 09 octobre 2010 - 11:46 .

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

ValerioN7 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

But seriously, don't you think Shepard might be a little "Wait... you let some guy get caught and tortured for 2 years on the slim chance that my dead body could be resurrected one day? I'm mean... I'm grateful and it paid off but... dead bodies don't come back to life often..."

Exactly. IMHO Liara's obsession with Shepard's remains (/body?) is seriously screwed up. The Lazarus stunt only worked because of the Anthropic Principle and yet everybody (here on the forums) seems to think that this was the Right Thing for her to do.
Sadly, there is no option to call her out on this in-game either.

I think you're overstimating Feron's role. If i'm not wrong, no one forced him to help Liara. That was Liara's mission, it's why Feron was with her, and you know, no one said that recovering Shepard's body couldn't be dangerous. They both knew that they could be captured or die. Liara's mission was simple: recovering Shepard body. And she did it. I can't see why she would have let Shepard go for saving Feron. He is an information broker and an agent, and he knew the risks while he choose to go saving Shepard with Liara.

Though I wouldn't call it obsession, it's the fact that Shepard's dead body was more worth saving then Feron, the living dude. That's the problem. Again, I won't argue that it didn't pay off, and Shep being alive can do some good (and save the galaxy). But it's the fact that she operated on the slim chance that "maybe" Cerberus will find a way to make a piece of "meat" that's "Hard to tell if it's even a man or a woman, blown to hell like that" come back to life, and look good at the same time. And it's that reason she left Feron to be captured or killed.

Seriously, it's even a miracle that Shepard even came back. That's why it's hard to believe she did all that.

Didn't Feron encourage Liara to go after Shepard's body and escape?

But having the SB play on the fact that Liara left her friend in favor of a corpse should have been played more upon.

Yeah, Feron did. Which is why Feron wouldn't blame her because it was what he wanted, and why Liara says he sacrificed himself for them. Still, again I wish the SB played her on that, because I know she'd blame herself for what happened to Feron afterwards. I know she'd say "I'm surprised he still wants to help... After all, I am responsible for everything he's been through."

There are some hints of her feeling guilty about the whole thing. "Because I screwed it up Shepard. I barely escaped with my own life. And when I gave you to Cerberus... I told myself I was doing it for you! For a chance to bring you back!"

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 octobre 2010 - 11:45 .

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TMA LIVE wrote...
There are some hints of her feeling guilty about the whole thing. "Because I screwed it up Shepard. I barely escaped with my own life. And when I gave you to Cerberus... I told myself I was doing it for you! For a chance to bring you back!"

The bolded part doesn't really have anything to do with the issue regarding her guilt about Feron. It's more about the fact that she felt guilty over handleing Shep's body over to Cerberus, even when she knew that they would only bring Shepard back to futher their own agenda. She were also afraid since most Sheps have a bad past with Cerberus, that Shepard would hate her.

She felt that she more or less had made a deal with the devil TIM in order to bring Shepard back.

[almostinsane]

I am just glad everything worked out in the end. Feron's alive, Liara's reunited with Shepard, and the Shadow Broker's network can be used for good.

Found something interesting. Some guys are playing Mass Effect 1 and 2 for three straight guys to raise money for the Child's Play Charity.

Here's the link for anyone who wants to donate or vote in the polls: http://masseffect.g33kwatch.com/

Liara's winning the romance choice in Mass Effect 1, but Tali's winning in the Mass Effect 2 poll.

Modifié par almostinsane, 10 octobre 2010 - 12:07 .