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[pacer90]

long story short after the last couple replies it's reinforced what i thought about Liara's character.



- appears weak and submissive in ME1. Shows glimpses of strength but never fully reveals it.

- in comics and ME2 is clearly able to perform her own actions and not completely devoid of direction or ability when Shepard isn't around.

- LotSB shows she can get the job done but is SOOOO much more together when Shepard is around. He is her foil, her counter piece and isn't complete without him. She fits him better than any other LI IMO and the relationship flows so much more easily than the others. She can do it on her own, but she is much stronger and more able when Shepard is around. Deciding on Shepard over Feron is easy, whether she realizes it or not he is half of her, regardless of romantic involvement.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

So.

Just got done with LotSB.

I think Liara got some justice*

*with comparison to her rage-inducing cameo*

Nice to see some tenderness between her and Alaine (my FemShep).

[Mox Ruuga]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I have a hard time accepting that Liara in ME1 is Liara in ME2/LOTSB. Her voice is the same, her looks are the same, but her personality is COMPLETELY different. I like LOTSB Liara a lot more, but when i compare her to ME1 Liara, there are no similarities whatsoever, it's like she's a completely different character. Even taking into account all the **** she went through, its doesn't justify her sudden split personality. Bioware really stuffed up Liara's continuation.

Indeed.

LotSB was really nice, but it can't really address the abruptness of her 180 as a character, during the comic book storyline and ME2. Liara in out-of-the-box ME2 was some of the worst writing I've seen from Bioware (the meeting with the Council in ME2 was the worst), and while LotSB was the best part of ME2, it can't fix the FUBAR bits that were in the release version.

Bioware really has to stay committed to this new direction they've pushed her along, to give the character some stability. There will always be a jarring break in her character, between ME1 and ME2. But hopefully ME3 will continue naturally from where LotSB left off...

[jlb524]

pacer90 wrote...

- LotSB shows she can get the job done but is SOOOO much more together when Shepard is around. He is her foil, her counter piece and isn't complete without him. She fits him better than any other LI IMO and the relationship flows so much more easily than the others. She can do it on her own, but she is much stronger and more able when Shepard is around. Deciding on Shepard over Feron is easy, whether she realizes it or not he is half of her, regardless of romantic involvement.

No....just, no.

[Goodwood]

jlb524 wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

- LotSB shows she can get the job done but is SOOOO much more together when Shepard is around. He is her foil, her counter piece and isn't complete without him. She fits him better than any other LI IMO and the relationship flows so much more easily than the others. She can do it on her own, but she is much stronger and more able when Shepard is around. Deciding on Shepard over Feron is easy, whether she realizes it or not he is half of her, regardless of romantic involvement.

No....just, no.

Goodwood agrees with jlb. Shepard should be a "she."

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

- LotSB shows she can get the job done but is SOOOO much more together when Shepard is around. He is her foil, her counter piece and isn't complete without him. She fits him better than any other LI IMO and the relationship flows so much more easily than the others. She can do it on her own, but she is much stronger and more able when Shepard is around. Deciding on Shepard over Feron is easy, whether she realizes it or not he is half of her, regardless of romantic involvement.

No....just, no.

I don't agree with the "Feron over Shepard" bit being easy. I also don't think Liara "absolutely" depends on Shepard. But you don't believe both characters fills gaps for one another? That they can do good things on their own, but can do greater things together? That Shepard needs her emotionally just as she needs him emotionally? That they can decide on things to a greater extent if they discuss and argue instead of one making choices for the other, or making choices without the other's involvement?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 10 octobre 2010 - 12:50 .

[TMA LIVE]

Goodwood wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

- LotSB shows she can get the job done but is SOOOO much more together when Shepard is around. He is her foil, her counter piece and isn't complete without him. She fits him better than any other LI IMO and the relationship flows so much more easily than the others. She can do it on her own, but she is much stronger and more able when Shepard is around. Deciding on Shepard over Feron is easy, whether she realizes it or not he is half of her, regardless of romantic involvement.

No....just, no.

Goodwood agrees with jlb. Shepard should be a "she."

Some Shepards are a he.

[Deventh]

Can't wait to see Liara in ME3 when going in the final mission my shepard look at the picture of Liara it just chills my bones!

[TRISTAN WERBE]

Everybody knows the male shepard is the face of the franchise but not any main romances but the shadow broker makes it sound like its more like Liara than anybody.....maybe?

[Gibb_Shepard]

Goodwood wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

- LotSB shows she can get the job done but is SOOOO much more together when Shepard is around. He is her foil, her counter piece and isn't complete without him. She fits him better than any other LI IMO and the relationship flows so much more easily than the others. She can do it on her own, but she is much stronger and more able when Shepard is around. Deciding on Shepard over Feron is easy, whether she realizes it or not he is half of her, regardless of romantic involvement.

No....just, no.

Goodwood agrees with jlb. Shepard should be a "she."

No, Shepard's a he.

And i agree with you pacer, Shepard and Liara do seem to need each other, hopefully this co-dependancy can be expanded on well in ME3.

[TMA LIVE]

TRISTAN WERBE wrote...

Everybody knows the male shepard is the face of the franchise but not any main romances but the shadow broker makes it sound like its more like Liara than anybody.....maybe?

Well, Liara's canon as the character that loves Shepard no matter what, even if he/she doesn't love her back.

[pacer90]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

- LotSB shows she can get the job done but is SOOOO much more together when Shepard is around. He is her foil, her counter piece and isn't complete without him. She fits him better than any other LI IMO and the relationship flows so much more easily than the others. She can do it on her own, but she is much stronger and more able when Shepard is around. Deciding on Shepard over Feron is easy, whether she realizes it or not he is half of her, regardless of romantic involvement.

No....just, no.

I don't agree with the "Feron over Shepard" bit being easy. I also don't think Liara "absolutely" depends on Shepard. But you don't believe both characters fills gaps for one another? That they can do good things on their own, but can do greater things together? That Shepard needs her emotionally just as she needs him emotionally? That they can decide on things to a greater extent if they discuss and argue instead of one making choices for the other, or making choices without the other's involvement?

Absolutely. My point wasn't made very clear, Liara isn't depending on Shepard, she is just so much more together when he is around. It's not a matter of him making decisions for her or him getting the hard work done it's just that she's not holding in all her regret of things that happened. She reveals these to Shepard, she and Shepard go resolve said issue and then she's more balanced and capable as a result.

If anything she directs Shepard in ME2.



Also as a side note I don't know how anyone can say Shepard over Feron would be a hard decision. Perhaps it's just the way that I saw things but Liara is unwavingly loyal to Shepard... her instinct would be to protect the person closest to her in the whole galaxy than some drell who can't make up his mind who he's working for. But each to their own opinions.

[Mox Ruuga]

I hope Liara is allowed to move on, in case of Shepard not returning her affections. The whole resolution with the death of the YahgBroker and rescue of Feron, with the associated clearing of the air with Shepard should offer a good point for her to move on with her life.

It's too bad the devs chose a stinking rat like Feron as her companion tho... Since he is the most likely candidate for Liara to pair up with. Oh well, at least it wasn't some "plucky" Quarian sympathy bait.

[IndigoWolfe]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
It's too bad the devs chose a stinking rat like Feron as her companion tho... Since he is the most likely candidate for Liara to pair up with. Oh well, at least it wasn't some "plucky" Quarian sympathy bait.

My mind went to Veetor when you said that. Just a note.

And oddly enough, someone I knew way back before ME2 was even announced frequently referred to Liara as a "sympathy sponge". He's since changed opinions.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
It's too bad the devs chose a stinking rat like Feron as her companion tho... Since he is the most likely candidate for Liara to pair up with. Oh well, at least it wasn't some "plucky" Quarian sympathy bait.

Amen brother!

[Lord Zeuss]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...
It's too bad the devs chose a stinking rat like Feron as her companion tho... Since he is the most likely candidate for Liara to pair up with. Oh well, at least it wasn't some "plucky" Quarian sympathy bait.

My mind went to Veetor when you said that. Just a note.

And oddly enough, someone I knew way back before ME2 was even announced frequently referred to Liara as a "sympathy sponge". He's since changed opinions.

The character depth was just not there for me to be able to buy the romance in ME1, especially considering how "established" a character she's supposed to be. But I've definitely gained some respect for her as a character since then.

[Mox Ruuga]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

My mind went to Veetor when you said that. Just a note.

And oddly enough, someone I knew way back before ME2 was even announced frequently referred to Liara as a "sympathy sponge". He's since changed opinions.

Veetor is the typical Quarian of ME2, along with Kenn, that chick victim on the Citadel, and the other fool about to be sold to slavery.

An entire species full of hapless victims, in need of Shepard's protection. And the Quarian teen princess ****** bait who is oh-so-grateful that the mighty hero Shepard noticed "little old her".

Ugh. I hate the Quarians after ME2, an entire species purposely built up as "woobies". I wonder why there wasn't one named "Pip"? Well, Bioware, you failed with me! I'll genocide 'em all if I get the chance. 

Well... I might spare Kal'Reegar. He's the exception that makes the rule.

[Goodwood]

Goodwood thinks that the quarian complaints should probably be saved for another thread. He'd prefer talking about LIara.

[Mox Ruuga]

Yes.

So... how about it, for non-Shepmanced Liara, is Feron a good match?

I say no! But... I suspect that may turn out to be a minority opinion.

If I wrote fanfic, I might have done one about Kaidan and Liara finding comfort with each other after Shepard's death, and actually growing truly "close" eventually. I think their personalities would have matched, and Kaidan seems to like the Asari in general and Liara in particular, even tho it's downplayed in ME1, so as not to step on the players' toes... "Art appreciation" my foot!

Other than Kaidan, I'm not sure I can think of an established character match... Certainly not Ash! (don't take it wrong, I like her quite a bit... but with Liara. Oh no!)

[pf17456]

From what I can gather the current topic here is who Liara would hook up with if Shepard chooses to just be friends.

Liara at present has knowledge, intelligence, personality, beauty and power. Her choices are far from limited and time isn't really that much of a concern since she's got a long life ahead of her.



I agree with the comments suggesting Liara and Shepard complement each other well and make a great pair but would qualify that saying Shepard's gender is not relevant simply because of who Liara is as a character.



I don't think Liara's character did a 180. I do think she developed and matured as did all ME1 characters. I like how she developed.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Yes.

So... how about it, for non-Shepmanced Liara, is Feron a good match?

I say no! But... I suspect that may turn out to be a minority opinion.

If I wrote fanfic, I might have done one about Kaidan and Liara finding comfort with each other after Shepard's death, and actually growing truly "close" eventually. I think their personalities would have matched, and Kaidan seems to like the Asari in general and Liara in particular, even tho it's downplayed in ME1, so as not to step on the players' toes... "Art appreciation" my foot!

Other than Kaidan, I'm not sure I can think of an established character match... Certainly not Ash! (don't take it wrong, I like her quite a bit... but with Liara. Oh no!)

Weird. I'm on the same page regarding all this. I also dislike Feron, but believe that if Liara would move on with someone else, it would be Kaidan.

It reminds me of a theory I had pre-ME2 release that when Shepard returns from the dead, Liara and the VS were in a relationship together. Could actuelly make for an interesting story.

But the outrage would be insane!

[Goodwood]

pf17456 wrote...

From what I can gather the current topic here is who Liara would hook up with if Shepard chooses to just be friends.
Liara at present has knowledge, intelligence, personality, beauty and power. Her choices are far from limited and time isn't really that much of a concern since she's got a long life ahead of her.

I agree with the comments suggesting Liara and Shepard complement each other well and make a great pair but would qualify that saying Shepard's gender is not relevant simply because of who Liara is as a character.

I don't think Liara's character did a 180. I do think she developed and matured as did all ME1 characters. I like how she developed.

Goodwood agrees 100%.

[ValerioN7]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
and Kaidan seems to like the Asari in general and Liara in particular

Kaidan likes the Asari and Liara? Damn, i knew that i should let Ashley die. I've never talked with Kaidan during my ME1 playtrough, but thinking about it while Liara is really tired after her rescue Kaidan asks her what was the last time she eaten or slept.

Modifié par ValerioN7, 10 octobre 2010 - 06:54 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ValerioN7 wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...
and Kaidan seems to like the Asari in general and Liara in particular

Kaidan likes the Asari and Liara? Damn, i knew that i should let Ashley die.

Try bring him to Noveria and ask Lorik quin about Benezia, he will give a pretty interesting comment!

[Mox Ruuga]

ValerioN7 wrote...

Kaidan likes the Asari and Liara? Damn, i knew that i should let Ashley die. I've never talked with Kaidan during my ME1 playtrough, but thinking about it while Liara is really tired after her rescue Kaidan asks her what was the last time she eaten or slept.

Heh, he's not Joker, but he's still a man...

If not being romanced, Shepard can tell him "I saw her first!" about Liara, to which he answers "Only by a few seconds... Sir/Ma'am."