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Mox Ruuga wrote...

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Kaidan likes the Asari and Liara? Damn, i knew that i should let Ashley die. :D I've never talked with Kaidan during my ME1 playtrough, but thinking about it while Liara is really tired after her rescue Kaidan asks her what was the last time she eaten or slept.


Heh, he's not Joker, but he's still a man... Image IPB

If not being romanced, Shepard can tell him "I saw her first!" about Liara, to which he answers "Only by a few seconds... Sir/Ma'am."


It took like 230598235 playthroughs but I really like Kaiden now. Ashley always ends up disappearing on Virmire.

I'd much rather Kaiden with Liara than Feron... actually the only other person besides Kaiden I could deal with would be Garrus. Kaiden edges him out I think though.

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I'd much rather Kaiden with Liara than Feron... actually the only other person besides Kaiden I could deal with would be Garrus. Kaiden edges him out I think though.


Hm... I'd see Wrex as a likelier choice than Garrus.

Actually, Wrex and Liara might have an interesting dynamic: the gruff veteran soldier and the naive but powerful biotic, the cynic and the idealist, both loners, both biotics, both forced to kill a parent, both atypical members of their species (as far as stereotypes go)...

Eh... I still like the idea of Kaidan and Liara better. Image IPB But Wrex / Liara is hundred fold better than That Stinking Desert Reptile / Liara.

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Mox Ruuga wrote...
That Stinking Desert Reptile.


Thane 'aint that bad. :lol:

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...
That Stinking Desert Reptile.


Thane 'aint that bad. :lol:


"cough"

As for the Wrex/Liara pairing, sorry but I just can't imagine that. But then again, I always seen Wrex as the big old grumpy uncle of the entire team.

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Okay, haven't posted much in this forum, but I will say that despite Miranda and Jack being my personal favorites, my 'canon' playthrough for Mass Effect is a Liaramance game. She just seemed to tick all of my personal buttons being the hot librarian archtype (well, hot archeologist, but you get the idea)

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Godeskian wrote...

Okay, haven't posted much in this forum, but I will say that despite Miranda and Jack being my personal favorites, my 'canon' playthrough for Mass Effect is a Liaramance game. She just seemed to tick all of my personal buttons being the hot librarian archtype (well, hot archeologist, but you get the idea)


The most accurate term would be "hot mastermind behind shadow information network" but that lacks the "ring" that hot librarian seems to have with a lot of people.

Welcome aboard! :wizard:

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Shepard should be a "she."


This is the correct motorcycle, as we used to say.

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Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...
That Stinking Desert Reptile.


Thane 'aint that bad. :lol:


"cough"

As for the Wrex/Liara pairing, sorry but I just can't imagine that. But then again, I always seen Wrex as the big old grumpy uncle of the entire team.


No, I don't either. Even if Liara were attracted to him, I don't think it would be in Wrex's character for him to take advantage of it.

There's one person that I can most readily imagine Liara being with, but it's an OC.

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...
That Stinking Desert Reptile.


Thane 'aint that bad. :lol:


"cough"

As for the Wrex/Liara pairing, sorry but I just can't imagine that. But then again, I always seen Wrex as the big old grumpy uncle of the entire team.


No, I don't either. Even if Liara were attracted to him, I don't think it would be in Wrex's character for him to take advantage of it.

There's one person that I can most readily imagine Liara being with, but it's an OC.


Who?

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

Godeskian wrote...

Okay, haven't posted much in this forum, but I will say that despite Miranda and Jack being my personal favorites, my 'canon' playthrough for Mass Effect is a Liaramance game. She just seemed to tick all of my personal buttons being the hot librarian archtype (well, hot archeologist, but you get the idea)


The most accurate term would be "hot mastermind behind shadow information network" but that lacks the "ring" that hot librarian seems to have with a lot of people.

Welcome aboard! :wizard:


Why thanks, and sure now she's the hot mastermind, but back when you first meet her she's basically a slightly naive archeologist who is both endearingly cute (the whole fascinating specimen conversation), utterly devastating in a fight, and completely and utterly accepting of who you are.
Both Kaiden and Ashley sort of have to be convinced that you're interested, Liara just accepts that you are. Plus, my Paragon would never have slept with a subordinate in his own chain of command.

Of course, in ME 2 when Tali tells you she first fell in love with you when the dashing commander saved her and took her along for a galaxy-spanning adventure to save all life, I was thinking 'Deja Vu, that's what I did for Liara in ME1'

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Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...
That Stinking Desert Reptile.


Thane 'aint that bad. :lol:


"cough"

As for the Wrex/Liara pairing, sorry but I just can't imagine that. But then again, I always seen Wrex as the big old grumpy uncle of the entire team.


No, I don't either. Even if Liara were attracted to him, I don't think it would be in Wrex's character for him to take advantage of it.

There's one person that I can most readily imagine Liara being with, but it's an OC.


Who?


I'm writing a one-shot fan fic.

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IndigoWolfe wrote...


I'm writing a one-shot fan fic.


Ahh!

Well, best of luck then! I hope it will be a succes.

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Godeskian wrote...

Of course, in ME 2 when Tali tells you she first fell in love with you when the dashing commander saved her and took her along for a galaxy-spanning adventure to save all life, I was thinking 'Deja Vu, that's what I did for Liara in ME1'


Okay, there's where I'll really have to disagree with you. Liara's attraction to Shepard is not based on "Ooo! The brave hero, Commander Shepard swooped in and rescued me!". The beginning of her attraction to you has to do with what kind of person Shepard is. Especially when you take the inital meld into account. She's attracted to (first name) Shepard, who they are and what made them, not Commander Shepard, Hero Of Elysium/Soldier Of Torfan/Survivor Of Akuze and the legend surrounding it.

The biggest problem I had with the Tali romance was the fact that I felt her attraction to you was based on the latter.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 10 octobre 2010 - 09:37 .


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IndigoWolfe wrote...

Godeskian wrote...

Of course, in ME 2 when Tali tells you she first fell in love with you when the dashing commander saved her and took her along for a galaxy-spanning adventure to save all life, I was thinking 'Deja Vu, that's what I did for Liara in ME1'


Okay, there's where I'll really have to disagree with you. Liara's attraction to Shepard is not based on "Ooo! The brave hero, Commander Shepard swooped in and rescued me!". The beginning of her attraction to you has to do with what kind of person Shepard is. Especially when you take the inital meld into account. She's attracted to (first name) Shepard, who they are and what made them, not Commander Shepard, Hero Of Elysium/Soldier Of Torfan/Survivor Of Akuze and the legend surrounding it.

The biggest problem I had with the Tali romance was the fact that I felt her attraction to you was based on the latter.


I think the reason most people compared both romances (including me) was because they both started with "handsome commander rides in and rescue the girl from certain death".

But I do agree with that Liara seems more interested in "Shepard the human" than "Shepard the hero of the galaxy".

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Sorry, I didn't mean to infer that the romance for Liara was based on the initial rescue, I only meant to suggest a parralel between how Shepard met Liara, and how he met Tali.



And you may be right about Tali. I felt a little uncomfortable playing her romance, because it very much felt like a smitten teenager and a mid-thirties something military commander, and given that I'm a lot closer to Shepards age than Tali's, I felt a certain amount of disquiet about the way the relationship was written. Known too many young girls taken in by smooth-talking older men.




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Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...


I'm writing a one-shot fan fic.


Ahh!

Well, best of luck then! I hope it will be a succes.


However, the OC and the fic itself are not being written solely for the purpose of pairing the two of them up. I'm saying I could see it happening.

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Lizardviking wrote...
I think the reason most people compared both romances (including me) was because they both started with "handsome commander rides in and rescue the girl from certain death".

But I do agree with that Liara seems more interested in "Shepard the human" than "Shepard the hero of the galaxy".


Should have saved myself the effort and just said, 'what Lizardviking' wrote. :P

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...


I'm writing a one-shot fan fic.


Ahh!

Well, best of luck then! I hope it will be a succes.


However, the OC and the fic itself are not being written solely for the purpose of pairing the two of them up. I'm saying I could see it happening.


Not to sound stupid, but what does OC mean?

I'm abit confused! :lol:

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Godeskian wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
I think
the reason most people compared both romances (including me) was
because they both started with "handsome commander rides in and rescue
the girl from certain death".

But I do agree with that Liara seems more interested in "Shepard the human" than "Shepard the hero of the galaxy".


Should have saved myself the effort and just said, 'what Lizardviking' wrote. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]


Sorry for stealing your line! :P

Modifié par Lizardviking, 10 octobre 2010 - 09:48 .


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Mox Ruuga wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

I'd much rather Kaiden with Liara than Feron... actually the only other person besides Kaiden I could deal with would be Garrus. Kaiden edges him out I think though.


Hm... I'd see Wrex as a likelier choice than Garrus.

Actually, Wrex and Liara might have an interesting dynamic: the gruff veteran soldier and the naive but powerful biotic, the cynic and the idealist, both loners, both biotics, both forced to kill a parent, both atypical members of their species (as far as stereotypes go)...

Eh... I still like the idea of Kaidan and Liara better. Image IPB But Wrex / Liara is hundred fold better than That Stinking Desert Reptile / Liara.



I can't see Wrex and Liara working out. Asari are too squishy for him anyway. Nowhere to get a good grip.

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Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...


I'm writing a one-shot fan fic.


Ahh!

Well, best of luck then! I hope it will be a succes.


However, the OC and the fic itself are not being written solely for the purpose of pairing the two of them up. I'm saying I could see it happening.


Not to sound stupid, but what does OC mean?

I'm abit confused! :lol:


Original Character.

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IndigoWolfe wrote...
Original Character.


So it's a mass effect character Bioware made?

Seems reduntant to put original in front of character.

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No, an OC is generally a character created by a fanfic author to be placed in an official game world. If you write a piece of Mass Effect fanfiction introducing Joe Bloggs, marine, who is stationed on the SR-2 Normandy and gets involved in missions, then he's an OC, because he's an Original Character in an existing setting.
The canon characters are what is created by Bioware.
And you should always feel free to steal my lines :P

Modifié par Godeskian, 10 octobre 2010 - 09:56 .


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Godeskian wrote...

No, an OC is generally a character created by a fanfic author to be placed in an official game world. If you write a piece of Mass Effect fanfiction introducing Joe Bloggs, marine, who is stationed on the SR-2 Normandy and gets involved in missions, then he's an OC, because he's an Original Character in an existing setting.
The canon characters are what is created by Bioware.
And you should always feel free to steal my lines :P


Ah, that clears things up. I thought he talked from the games/Bioware viewpoint not the authors viewpoint, which is why I thought original was directed at Bioware.

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Godeskian wrote...

Sorry, I didn't mean to infer that the romance for Liara was based on the initial rescue, I only meant to suggest a parralel between how Shepard met Liara, and how he met Tali.

And you may be right about Tali. I felt a little uncomfortable playing her romance, because it very much felt like a smitten teenager and a mid-thirties something military commander, and given that I'm a lot closer to Shepards age than Tali's, I felt a certain amount of disquiet about the way the relationship was written. Known too many young girls taken in by smooth-talking older men.



Nothing wrong with that if it's legal, your intentions are good and you're up front about the issues you're going to run into. I'm guessing the gents to whom you refer had less than good intentions though.

I always figured that was a big part of the appeal of the Tali romance as well - especially when you find her diary saying "I wish Shepard was here." What guy doesn't want to be the white knight? The trouble is that after you're done saving the galaxy, you wake up one day and find yourself arguing about whose turn it is to take out the trash/change the screaming kid's diaper/unload the dishwasher :)

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Nothing wrong with that if it's legal, your intentions are good and you're up front about the issues you're going to run into. I'm guessing the gents to whom you refer had less than good intentions though.


Not so much no. Mind you, at age 27 I dated an 18 year old, so I'm not one to hold judgement as long as, as you said you know what you're getting into. (she did, it didn't last, the sex was fantastic).

Tali always struck me as someone who would have crushed on Shepard, even if he was a pyschotic, and in fact you can play him as such and still romance her. It left a bad taste in my mouth to be honest. If you've played a paragon, the relationship to me feels a lot less squicky.

I always figured that was a big part of the appeal of the Tali romance as well - especially when you find her diary saying "I wish Shepard was here." What guy doesn't want to be the white knight? The trouble is that after you're done saving the galaxy, you wake up one day and find yourself arguing about whose turn it is to take out the trash/change the screaming kid's diaper/unload the dishwasher :)


Plus, being put on a pedestal like that is a really easy way to sour a relationship if you get knocked off it, or worse, if she knocks you off it.

With Liara it never felt like she looked up to you, so much as she respected that in your own field you were a professional. I mean, Marine commando and Archeologist are pretty much as seperate as fields get IMO. It felt more like a relationship between equals.
Oddly enough its why I didn't bring a Kaiden or Ash romance into ME2. Dating a coworker is problematic enough, dating a subordinate... Well let's just say that the chances for a major negative emotional reaction on say Virmire, where you might have to choose your loved one or your mission, is why most militaries have fraternisation rules.

In that same vein in ME2, I tended to restrict my romances to those I felt were on more or less equal footing (like Samara or Thane, both of which have lives completely and utterly independant of Shepard, despite agreeing to work for him/her), or those who were completely outside of the normal chain of command (like Jack).
Miranda is an odd case in that she's both the one who saved you and  your subordinate. The chain of command is a bit twisted in her case. Jacob works for you, so is a no go. Shepard always felt more like a mentor to Garrus (to me at least) than a love interest (though I suppose 'hot for the teacher' works)