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[tmk]

Lizardviking wrote...
Very well, I still stand by my point. I doubt all the other characters would drop all of their duties just to chase after a corpse.

Yea, well, because all other characters had something to go back to. Liara didn't. She already learned more than she ever wanted to about Prothean extinction. Benezia is dead. After Shepard died, Liara's whole life was left in ruins. It's not unreasonable of her to try to recover Shepard's body and give it a proper burial, as a means of helping her find some closure and move on.

And in process of doing so, she discovers a possibility of doing more than that.

Modifié par tmk, 20 octobre 2010 - 06:07 .

[morrie23]

Well said tmk!

[bjdbwea]

Indeed. And that's all that needs to be said about this matter. Is it really necessary that some fans of other characters try to derail this thread? We know by now that you don't like Liara, or that you at least think that your favorite character is superior, but why do you feel the need to post negative things about her?

Modifié par bjdbwea, 20 octobre 2010 - 06:30 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

tmk wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
Very well, I still stand by my point. I doubt all the other characters would drop all of their duties just to chase after a corpse.

Yea, well, because all other characters had something to go back to. Liara didn't. She already learned more than she ever wanted to about Prothean extinction. Benezia is dead. After Shepard died, Liara's whole life was left in ruins. It's not unreasonable of her to try to recover Shepard's body and give it a proper burial, as a means of helping her find some closure and move on.

And in process of doing so, she discovers a possibility of doing more than that.

And that of course also. Liara had nothing left to return to. Her mother was dead, her lover was dead and with him her home was also destroyed. The rest of her friend all moved on to something else. Liara was in a way completetly alone.

[tmk]

Lizardviking wrote...
And that of course also. Liara had nothing left to return to. Her mother was dead, her lover was dead and with him her home was also destroyed.

Well, ahem, I didn't mean it that literally  I'm sure she had some sort of apartments to live in and some money to last for a while.

Though in a sense of  "a place where you belong", her "home" was destroyed, yes.

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tmk wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
And that of course also. Liara had nothing left to return to. Her mother was dead, her lover was dead and with him her home was also destroyed.

Well, ahem, I didn't mean it that literally  I'm sure she had some sort of apartments to live in and some money to last for a while.

Though in a sense of  "a place where you belong", her "home" was destroyed, yes.

Yes I meant "home" in a metaphoricly sense. She proberly owns a mansion on Thessia from Benezia.

[ValerioN7]

Lizardviking wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...
       so they were to busy to help their commander ?someone who helped them...sounds well let's say unlikely....
        well we don't know how they would react knowing there is a chance to get Shep back alive...look at Anderson in ME2...he dosen't like who u are working with but dosen't go overboard..and is actually still quite friendly...Garrus and tali don't like it but they still go with SHep when he came to them later..
       let's just call it an issue where the writers made it wrong for the sake of keeping the comic neutral from all player choices...

Shepard was dead!

They weren't too busy to help their commander, they were too busy to retrieve a corpse.

And i'm pretty sure that Garrus, Tali and Ash/Kaidan would get pretty angry that Liara sent the corpse of their idol/hero/friend/lover to a terrorist organisation that are known for their inhuman and unethical experiments, in some vain hope that s/he can return.

Yes, better to leave Shepard to the Collectors for being integrated into a colossal human Reaper. If the body was already recovered i could agree with you, it's not necessary to give it to Cerberus, but at this point... i'm sure that Shepard would have preferred working for Cerberus for some months (he can go away when he wants, there is no control system) instead of becoming part of a giant machine with dissolved humans. Like there are not enough Reapers to fight.

Ok, at this point Shepard is obsessed too, why saving the Citadel and the Galaxy against the Council and Alliance orders? Come on, i'm sure that everyone wanted to be killed, instead of being saved. Stupid Shepard's obsessions...

tmk wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
And that of
course also. Liara had nothing left to return to. Her mother was dead,
her lover was dead and with him her home was also destroyed.

Well, ahem, I didn't mean it that literally [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie] I'm sure she had some sort of apartments to live in and some money to last for a while.

Though in a sense of  "a place where you belong", her "home" was destroyed, yes.

She probably had some contacts on Illium too, we can't be sure 'cause we don't know too much about her family. Maybe Aethyta thought to her when she came to Illium, without telling her nothing... she is a Matriarch at the end, also if she works in a bar.

[Mox Ruuga]

Meeting Hannah Shepard in ME3 would be cool.

Hannah and Aethyta meeting would be even cooler. I wonder if they'd get along?

But alas! We will never meet Hannah.

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ValerioN7 wrote...
Yes, better to leave Shepard to the Collectors for being integrated into a colossal human Reaper. If the body was already recovered i could agree with you, it's not necessary to give it to Cerberus, but at this point... i'm sure that Shepard would have preferred working for Cerberus for some months (he can go away when he wants, there is no control system) instead of becoming part of a giant machine with dissolved humans. Like there are not enough Reapers to fight.

Ok, at this point Shepard is obsessed too, why saving the Citadel and the Galaxy against the Council and Alliance orders? Come on, i'm sure that everyone wanted to be killed, instead of being saved. Stupid Shepard's obsessions...

A few things first.

I don't think ANYONE knew that the collectors wanted Shepard's body, only Liara did that later on. The only thing anyone knew was that Shepard's body had apperently been located again. And since nobody knew about the Collectors or project Lazarus, they proberly felt that it was better to honor Shepard through their actions (Ashk/Kaidan, Garrus) or simply were to busy due to helping their own people (Tali, Wrex).

Look. I don't understand why people think Liara's crazy/obsessed for first wanting to find Shepard's body in order to gain some closure to her previous life, then wanting to bring him back once she knows about lazarus.

But I also don't get why some people think that Ash/Kaidan, Tali, Garrus or Wrex are uncaring pricks for not being there to recovery the body.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Meeting Hannah Shepard in ME3 would be cool.

Hannah and Aethyta meeting would be even cooler. I wonder if they'd get along?

But alas! We will never meet Hannah.

I also wouldn't mind all this.

But you just have to ruin everything with that 100% true comment in the end!

"EDIT" Regarding the "Hannah meets Aethyta". I think they would get along, but would Hannah ask why Aethyta never was there for Liara?

Modifié par Lizardviking, 20 octobre 2010 - 07:41 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Yes, better to leave Shepard to the Collectors for being integrated into a colossal human Reaper.

Hey, someone really should have told Shepard about this, since this covers about 2/3 of ME2.

Edit to add: I think Hannah might show up for the epilogue (similar to the origin characters for the coronation). Would be interesting to see how/if they would adjust her facial features and skin tone depending on Shepard's appearance.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 20 octobre 2010 - 07:50 .

[Texaswarrior]

Hannah Shepard .. would be fun. Meet the family.

However, I doubt it will happen. Developers ain't big on implementing larger parts of content that only a fraction of players will see (spacers..) ..

Not everyone replays.

A noobish question: Is it a fact that Aethyta is related to Liara? Or is it just a possibility? The wiki isn't clear on this

Modifié par Texaswarrior, 20 octobre 2010 - 07:48 .

[Texaswarrior]

double post

Modifié par Texaswarrior, 20 octobre 2010 - 07:47 .

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Texaswarrior wrote...

Hannah Shepard .. would be fun. Meet the family.

However, I doubt it will happen. Developers ain't big on implementing larger parts of content that only a fraction of players will see (spacers..) ..

Not everyone replays.

A noobish question: Is it a fact that Aethyta is related to Liara? Or is it just a possibility? The wiki isn't clear on this

A video in the SB base suggest that Aethyta is Liara's "father". Considering the fact that it shows her starring at a picture of Liara (or atleast an asari that resembles her).

[Mox Ruuga]

I'm sure they'd put in stuff for the other backgrounds as well...

But there's a reason they'll keep Hannah hidden: you can customize your Shep. Hannah would be made as a plausible mom for Sheploo, hence someone playing a very dark skinned Shepard etc. would once again have to rationalize that s/he was adopted. Just as happened with the Human Noble Origin of DA:O.

[AlexMBrennan]

Not necessarily - remember the Fallout 3's Dad?

[tmk]

Lizardviking wrote...
"EDIT" Regarding the "Hannah meets Aethyta". I think they would get along, but would Hannah ask why Aethyta never was there for Liara? 

I'm not sure she would to be honest. Aethyta would have to already be with Liara for her to meet Hannah, and by that time there wouldn't be much point in prying on the part actions or inactions.

I do wonder why she never got in touch with Liara though, even after Benezia's death. Did she promise Benezia not to get involved? Is she too ashamed of the way her own life ended up going? Is she afraid Liara would be mad at her for staying out of the picture the whole time?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

tmk wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
"EDIT" Regarding the "Hannah meets Aethyta". I think they would get along, but would Hannah ask why Aethyta never was there for Liara? 

I'm not sure she would to be honest. Aethyta would have to already be with Liara for her to meet Hannah, and by that time there wouldn't be much point in prying on the part actions or inactions.

I do wonder why she never got in touch with Liara though, even after Benezia's death. Did she promise Benezia not to get involved? Is she too ashamed of the way her own life ended up going? Is she afraid Liara would be mad at her for staying out of the picture the whole time?

Good point. Althrough I believe atleast Shepard should be able to question Aethyta's actions.

[jlb524]

Wow, look, a decent Liara related discussion in this thread!

tmk wrote...

I do wonder why she never got in touch with Liara though, even after Benezia's death. Did she promise Benezia not to get involved? Is she too ashamed of the way her own life ended up going? Is she afraid Liara would be mad at her for staying out of the picture the whole time?

If I were to guess, I believe Aethyta initially promised Benezia to stay out of the picture during Liara's youth (they may have had some kind of huge altercation, Benezia may have been too embarrassed b/c of the pureblood thing, etc.).  So then, decades go by and by and I think it reaches the point that Aethyta would feel it was just too late and too much time had passed to jump back into Liara's life out of nowhere.  I do believe Aethyta had always cared for Liara and watched her growth from a distance, followed her public achievements as she became an adult, and eventually, tended a bar right across the market plaza from where Liara worked on Illium.

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jlb524 wrote...

Wow, look, a decent Liara related discussion in this thread!

tmk wrote...

I do wonder why she never got in touch with Liara though, even after Benezia's death. Did she promise Benezia not to get involved? Is she too ashamed of the way her own life ended up going? Is she afraid Liara would be mad at her for staying out of the picture the whole time?

If I were to guess, I believe Aethyta initially promised Benezia to stay out of the picture during Liara's youth (they may have had some kind of huge altercation, Benezia may have been too embarrassed b/c of the pureblood thing, etc.).  So then, decades go by and by and I think it reaches the point that Aethyta would feel it was just too late and too much time had passed to jump back into Liara's life out of nowhere.  I do believe Aethyta had always cared for Liara and watched her growth from a distance, followed her public achievements as she became an adult, and eventually, tended a bar right across the market plaza from where Liara worked on Illium.

How do you think they'll meet in ME3?

[hamtyl07]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Not necessarily - remember the Fallout 3's Dad?

thats a valid point in fallour 3  your father was the same no matter what your character looked be it black, white asian and so on so it is entire plausible that they could have a defualt hanna inmake some sort of apperance i mean is ME suppose to taylor itself to the player by way of the choices made and the history chosen

Modifié par hamtyl07, 20 octobre 2010 - 08:16 .

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jlb524 wrote...

Wow, look, a decent Liara related discussion in this thread!

tmk wrote...

I do wonder why she never got in touch with Liara though, even after Benezia's death. Did she promise Benezia not to get involved? Is she too ashamed of the way her own life ended up going? Is she afraid Liara would be mad at her for staying out of the picture the whole time?

If I were to guess, I believe Aethyta initially promised Benezia to stay out of the picture during Liara's youth (they may have had some kind of huge altercation, Benezia may have been too embarrassed b/c of the pureblood thing, etc.).  So then, decades go by and by and I think it reaches the point that Aethyta would feel it was just too late and too much time had passed to jump back into Liara's life out of nowhere.  I do believe Aethyta had always cared for Liara and watched her growth from a distance, followed her public achievements as she became an adult, and eventually, tended a bar right across the market plaza from where Liara worked on Illium.

That's a good theory.

Perhaps they also met and talked to each other somewhere in the 2 years Shepard was gone? Liara perhaps just taking a small break at the eternity bar, talking to Aethyta (not knowing who she was).

[GuardianAngel470]

bjdbwea wrote...

Indeed. And that's all that needs to be said about this matter. Is it really necessary that some fans of other characters try to derail this thread? We know by now that you don't like Liara, or that you at least think that your favorite character is superior, but why do you feel the need to post negative things about her?

Derail? Where else do you expect us to discuss Liara's character? This is supposed to be a Liara discussion thread, because threads are supposed to discuss things. 

Support is what groups and group discussions are for. People who want to discuss the character are destined to come here because that is what it is for.

You should read the OP of the Tali thread, and take it to heart.

[Mox Ruuga]

Perhaps Aethyta moved so close to Liara once she realized what a close call the whole Saren Affair had been for her daughter. She prolly doesn't know of her secret war against the Shadow Broker though...

I wonder how she'll take Liara's "disappearance"?

[Texaswarrior]

Question:



Just a thing that came to my mind: If Liara has access to the same Shadow Broker files Shep looked at (and she has), shouldn't she know by now?



Answer to my own question:



Probably not, as there are a spliffthousand files, and the limited number of files we see is only a gameplay limitation. No real reason for her to check up on a random bartender .. or is there?