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[Mox Ruuga]

It happened while I was browsing the archives:

http://social.biowar...dex/1295341/445

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Perhaps Aethyta moved so close to Liara once she realized what a close call the whole Saren Affair had been for her daughter. She prolly doesn't know of her secret war against the Shadow Broker though...

I wonder how she'll take Liara's "disappearance"?

Perhaps believe that Shepard might be responsible somehow and believe he might have some bad influence on her? Just like Saren with Benezia?

[GuardianAngel470]

Texaswarrior wrote...

Question:

Just a thing that came to my mind: If Liara has access to the same Shadow Broker files Shep looked at (and she has), shouldn't she know by now?

Answer to my own question:

Probably not, as there are a spliffthousand files, and the limited number of files we see is only a gameplay limitation. No real reason for her to check up on a random bartender .. or is there?

I would expect that she would come across it at some point but if I remember correctly, she was under the impression that her father had somehow disowned her in ME1. She may not be in the right frame of mind to talk to Aethyta. It may take a Shepard intervention (doesn't everything?) to get her to talk to her.

I would propose Shepard talking to Aethyta in the bar knowing that Liara was probably listening in and directing the conversation to Aethyta's explanation.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

How do you think they'll meet in ME3?

Well, I guess there are a few possibilities.

1)  Aethyta stays on Illium.  Then, ME3 would have to include some reason for Shepard to go there to Eternity (and bring Liara).  Could be part of an optional sidequest and you just happen to run into her there while you are completing it.  So, I'd guess they'd only meet if Shepard does the quest and takes Liara along.    This would be an unplanned meeting.

2)  Aethyta leaves Illium, looking for Liara.  I expect that the only reason Aethyta is on Illium tending bar is to be close to Liara.  After hearing her estranged daughter has gone missing, she may leave to search for her, or just leave and do something else.  Therefore, Liara (and Shepard) could run into her anywhere in the galaxy, and this may or may not be optional, depending on how they do it.  This would be an unplanned meeting also.

3)  Liara contacts Aethyta.  Liara eventually must become aware of the fact that Aethyta is her parent.  She may want to reach out to her, out of curiosity,  to feel some connection to Benezia and learn more about her mother, but not necessarily to form any relationship with Aethyta (at first, but this may change).  Therefore, taking Liara to see Aethyta (where ever she is) may be an optonal sidequest for Liara in ME3, similar to how Wrex had the family armor quest in ME1.

I think three is more likely, as the quest goal is a bit clearer from the onset, and it's not just by random chance that the two meet.

Modifié par jlb524, 20 octobre 2010 - 08:31 .

[hamtyl07]

Texaswarrior wrote...

Question:

Just a thing that came to my mind: If Liara has access to the same Shadow Broker files Shep looked at (and she has), shouldn't she know by now?

Answer to my own question:

Probably not, as there are a spliffthousand files, and the limited number of files we see is only a gameplay limitation. No real reason for her to check up on a random bartender .. or is there?

well i'd sure love to know about the person whose serving me my boose..........but all bad jokes aside

why wouldint she want to know i mean thats important information i mean if i were her i'd deffintly like to know what the history is with that

[Texaswarrior]

Yeah. Everything does, just like in real life. Unfortunately, no Shepard will ever show up IRL.

[sagefic]

 hi all. okay, so i'm sharing a fanvid i made, and trying really hard not to spam the boards or anything. it's a whole squad fanvid, though liara got the most screen time. thank you, LotSB.  http://bit.ly/me-squad

[Mox Ruuga]

Lizardviking wrote...

Perhaps believe that Shepard might be responsible somehow and believe he might have some bad influence on her? Just like Saren with Benezia?

Heh, a Boss Fight against Liara's other parent!

Seriously, if we do get to see them reunited, they've probably met up during the interim between the games, and we'll run into her lounging at the Shadow Broker ship in luxury, living with Liara.

Or we'll never run into her again, and Liara will just randomly mention how great it was to finally meet her "other mom" after all those years...

[tmk]

I'm pretty sure those vids were filtered specifically by Shadow Broker's request (either Liara's or the old SB's), and Liara must have seen them already (or will shortly). After that she will probably want to keep tabs on Aethyta, and eventually may even try to contact her. I'm not sure the first contact will happen in ME3 though, since ME3 is likely to take place a few years after ME2 and it's quite a long time... I think it may happen in a DLC or maybe a comic book... not dedicated to it entirely of course, but it could be somehow mentioned in passing.

Modifié par tmk, 20 octobre 2010 - 08:40 .

[jlb524]

tmk wrote...

I'm pretty sure those vids were filtered specifically by Shadow Broker's request (either Liara's or the old SB's), and Liara must have seen them already (or will shortly). After that she will probably want to keep tabs on Aethyta, and eventually may even try to contact her. I'm not sure the first contact will happen in ME3 though, since ME3 is likely to take place a few years after ME2 and it's quite a long time... I think it may happen in a DLC or maybe a comic book... not dedicated to it entirely of course, but it could be somehow mentioned in passing.

So, do you think it possible that Liara will contact Aethyta via an electronic medium prior to ME3, and they will share emails, vidmails whatever, but never meet in person until ME3?    Liara's duties as the Shadow Broker may prevent her from leaving the base for some years.

sagequeen wrote...

 hi all. okay, so i'm sharing a fanvid i
made, and trying really hard not to spam the boards or anything. it's a
whole squad fanvid, though liara got the most screen time. thank you,
LotSB.  http://bit.ly/me-squad

It was great...the Liara part rocked!

Thanks!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Perhaps believe that Shepard might be responsible somehow and believe he might have some bad influence on her? Just like Saren with Benezia?

Heh, a Boss Fight against Liara's other parent!

Seriously, if we do get to see them reunited, they've probably met up during the interim between the games, and we'll run into her lounging at the Shadow Broker ship in luxury, living with Liara.

Or we'll never run into her again, and Liara will just randomly mention how great it was to finally meet her "other mom" after all those years...

Nah, not a boss fight. But I could imagine Aethyta getting all rilled up when she finds out what Shepard have been doing, going all "he's nothing but trouble" towards Liara.

But I would pretty understanding. My Shepard is no longer a specter and preserved the Collector base.

So to people who don't the whole story. It would seem like my Shepard is nothing but a crazy pro-human terrorist, sorta like that Saren guy who was just pro-turian instead.

[tmk]

jlb524 wrote...
So, do you think it possible that Liara will contact Aethyta via an electronic medium prior to ME3, and they will share emails, vidmails whatever, but never meet in person until ME3?    Liara's duties as the Shadow Broker may prevent her from leaving the base for some years.

I'm thinking it might be something along the lines of, Aethyta contacting the Shadow Broker for information to find Liara, and Liara might set up some secure enough place to meet her, or something along those lines. I don't think Liara will just send an email saying "ohai my other mom, let's chat".

I don't think Liara is completely imprisoned by her duties as the Shadow Broker, too. She certainly can't leave for extended periods of time, but I think she can take a break for a day or two, and from what I gather you can travel between any two points in the galaxy within a few hours, so...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

tmk wrote...

I'm pretty sure those vids were filtered specifically by Shadow Broker's request (either Liara's or the old SB's), and Liara must have seen them already (or will shortly). After that she will probably want to keep tabs on Aethyta, and eventually may even try to contact her. I'm not sure the first contact will happen in ME3 though, since ME3 is likely to take place a few years after ME2 and it's quite a long time... I think it may happen in a DLC or maybe a comic book... not dedicated to it entirely of course, but it could be somehow mentioned in passing.

I think they were filtered by the old SB, since I could imagine he had a possible plan envolving holding Aethyta hostage or something related. Beside, I doubt Liara's first order of buisnes when she became the SB was "Let's find recordings of some bartender on Illium!".

[GuardianAngel470]

tmk wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
So, do you think it possible that Liara will contact Aethyta via an electronic medium prior to ME3, and they will share emails, vidmails whatever, but never meet in person until ME3?    Liara's duties as the Shadow Broker may prevent her from leaving the base for some years.

I'm thinking it might be something along the lines of, Aethyta contacting the Shadow Broker for information to find Liara, and Liara might set up some secure enough place to meet her, or something along those lines. I don't think Liara will just send an email saying "ohai my other mom, let's chat".

I don't think Liara is completely imprisoned by her duties as the Shadow Broker, too. She certainly can't leave for extended periods of time, but I think she can take a break for a day or two, and from what I gather you can travel between any two points in the galaxy within a few hours, so...

Actually, her identity as an information broker that is anti-SB is a really good cover/dual identity.

No one in their right mind would think she actually succeeded in getting the SB so she could operate on Illium on off days and no one would be the wiser.

I still think she is too important to risk taking on a mission though. No one else that Shepard knows would do half as good a job as her.

[almostinsane]

sagequeen wrote...

 hi all. okay, so i'm sharing a fanvid i made, and trying really hard not to spam the boards or anything. it's a whole squad fanvid, though liara got the most screen time. thank you, LotSB.  http://bit.ly/me-squad

Awesome vid.

[tmk]

Lizardviking wrote...
I think they were filtered by the old SB, since I could imagine he had a possible plan envolving holding Aethyta hostage or something related. Beside, I doubt Liara's first order of buisnes when she became the SB was "Let's find recordings of some bartender on Illium!".

She wouldn't begin by deliberately searching for vids including bartenders, but she could look through the files the old SB deemed important...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Actually, her identity as an information broker that is anti-SB is a really good cover/dual identity.

No one in their right mind would think she actually succeeded in getting the SB so she could operate on Illium on off days and no one would be the wiser.

I still think she is too important to risk taking on a mission though. No one else that Shepard knows would do half as good a job as her.

I'm not saying everyone knows she's the Shadow Broker now. But managing the Shadow Broker's information feeds would take up a lot of her time I'd imagine. I mean, even keeping track of some threads on this forum can take up all your time, imagine a galaxy-wide information trading network. Let yourself out of the loop for too long and you'll never be able to catch up. That's why I'm saying Liara probably can't leave that ship for too long.

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tmk wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
I think they were filtered by the old SB, since I could imagine he had a possible plan envolving holding Aethyta hostage or something related. Beside, I doubt Liara's first order of buisnes when she became the SB was "Let's find recordings of some bartender on Illium!".

She wouldn't begin by deliberately searching for vids including bartenders, but she could look through the files the old SB deemed important...

Which means that the old SB was the one who filtered them through no?

[tmk]

Well my point is that Liara would come across that vid, regardless of who filtered it out initially.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

tmk wrote...

Well my point is that Liara would come across that vid, regardless of who filtered it out initially.

Ahh, I agree.

[ValerioN7]

Lizardviking wrote...

ValerioN7 wrote...
Yes, better to leave Shepard to the Collectors for being integrated into a colossal human Reaper. If the body was already recovered i could agree with you, it's not necessary to give it to Cerberus, but at this point... i'm sure that Shepard would have preferred working for Cerberus for some months (he can go away when he wants, there is no control system) instead of becoming part of a giant machine with dissolved humans. Like there are not enough Reapers to fight.

Ok, at this point Shepard is obsessed too, why saving the Citadel and the Galaxy against the Council and Alliance orders? Come on, i'm sure that everyone wanted to be killed, instead of being saved. Stupid Shepard's obsessions...

A few things first.

I don't think ANYONE knew that the collectors wanted Shepard's body, only Liara did that later on. The only thing anyone knew was that Shepard's body had apperently been located again. And since nobody knew about the Collectors or project Lazarus, they proberly felt that it was better to honor Shepard through their actions (Ashk/Kaidan, Garrus) or simply were to busy due to helping their own people (Tali, Wrex).

Look. I don't understand why people think Liara's crazy/obsessed for first wanting to find Shepard's body in order to gain some closure to her previous life, then wanting to bring him back once she knows about lazarus.

But I also don't get why some people think that Ash/Kaidan, Tali, Garrus or Wrex are uncaring pricks for not being there to recovery the body.

The old Shadow Broker surely knew that, and probably TIM too. It's impossible that he knew about Shepard's death, and then said "Oh, i want to bring him back, let's creating a project of billions of credits in some weeks". And i say again, it's unlikely that TIM created Project Lazarus only for a "chance" to bring Shepard back. We will see in ME3.

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ValerioN7 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ValerioN7 wrote...
Yes, better to leave Shepard to the Collectors for being integrated into a colossal human Reaper. If the body was already recovered i could agree with you, it's not necessary to give it to Cerberus, but at this point... i'm sure that Shepard would have preferred working for Cerberus for some months (he can go away when he wants, there is no control system) instead of becoming part of a giant machine with dissolved humans. Like there are not enough Reapers to fight.

Ok, at this point Shepard is obsessed too, why saving the Citadel and the Galaxy against the Council and Alliance orders? Come on, i'm sure that everyone wanted to be killed, instead of being saved. Stupid Shepard's obsessions...

A few things first.

I don't think ANYONE knew that the collectors wanted Shepard's body, only Liara did that later on. The only thing anyone knew was that Shepard's body had apperently been located again. And since nobody knew about the Collectors or project Lazarus, they proberly felt that it was better to honor Shepard through their actions (Ashk/Kaidan, Garrus) or simply were to busy due to helping their own people (Tali, Wrex).

Look. I don't understand why people think Liara's crazy/obsessed for first wanting to find Shepard's body in order to gain some closure to her previous life, then wanting to bring him back once she knows about lazarus.

But I also don't get why some people think that Ash/Kaidan, Tali, Garrus or Wrex are uncaring pricks for not being there to recovery the body.

The old Shadow Broker surely knew that, and probably TIM too. It's impossible that he knew about Shepard's death, and then said "Oh, i want to bring him back, let's creating a project of billions of credits in some weeks". And i say again, it's unlikely that TIM created Project Lazarus only for a "chance" to bring Shepard back. We will see in ME3.

I was talking about the ME1 squadmates. And I doubt any of them knew about the collector or project Lazarus (aside from Liara of course).

[jlb524]

tmk wrote...

I'm thinking it might be something along the lines of, Aethyta contacting the Shadow Broker for information to find Liara, and Liara might set up some secure enough place to meet her, or something along those lines. I don't think Liara will just send an email saying "ohai my other mom, let's chat".

I don't think Liara is completely imprisoned by her duties as the Shadow Broker, too. She certainly can't leave for extended periods of time, but I think she can take a break for a day or two, and from what I gather you can travel between any two points in the galaxy within a few hours, so...

That's a good idea, as I assume Aethyta will begin to look for Liara after she's gone missing.  The Shadow Broker would be her obvious first contact (and, funny enough, her last XD) in this search. 

Well, if we don't get to see the meeting, I'd still like to see some contact between the two in ME3.  Perhaps Aethyta could tend the Normandy's bar, like some have requested?

You are right that she isn't imprisoned on the base.  It's not like she's a yahg or something...she'd blend right in, and no one expects that's she is the Shadow Broker.

[tmk]

I'd definitely want to see the meeting and some contact between the two. I'm just hoping we won't need to wait all the way until ME3 to see it

[jlb524]

tmk wrote...

I'd definitely want to see the meeting and some contact between the two. I'm just hoping we won't need to wait all the way until ME3 to see it

I'm thinking we will have to wait.  I don't see us getting any more significant Liara content pre-ME3.  Since LotSB won't be a  pre-requisite for playing the next DLC, they can't really do too much with Liara (as she may still be sitting on Illium for some).  Those that did play it, they least I'd expect is maybe an email from Liara or something along those lines. 

I doubt she will get another comic.

I'm happy if they just do it in ME3 period...I don't want this to go unresolved.

[pf17456]

I think Shepard is going to get Liara something special for her birthday in the form of a trip to the Eternity Bar on Illium.