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[Mox Ruuga]

Lizardviking wrote...

Didn't alot of people laugh at the ME1 LI fans? Told them that the LI's were just flings or something akin to that. I never posted there myself, but I still read alot of what was posted.

Some of the same people that are today scared of the inevitable cameoing of their ME2 LIs... I'd call it ironic, but...

Here's a lovely little extract I just came across:

Wow.

Are we still on this? ...ReallY?

I hate to come off as insensitive but the people who are still upset about the ME1 love interests not being recruitable squad mates in ME2 should really be over it by now.

that ship has officially sailed, isn't it time to move on?

Judging by the videos and interviews and info that has been released so far, ME2 will probably be a better game than ME1.

I knew that ME1 would be a trilogy before I played ME1. I romanced both Liara and Ashley. My renagade Shepard got with ashley. My Paragon Shepard hooked up with Liara. I intend to carry over both characters to ME2.

during my first playthrough of ME1, when the first Love interests showed up in Shepard's room. I vividly remember thinking: "wow, this is cool... I hope I'm not going to be stuck with this girl for the next game".

I was so relieved to see that we were going to get all new Love interests on the squad!

Shepard is a catch! Shepard is the first human spectre. Shepard is one of the best humanity has to offer. Are there really people out there who want to see Shepard tied down to one love interest or on romantic lockdown for the next 2 or three games??

well, I respect that point of view... I just don't understand it at all.
Edited By lewis_1306 on 12/16/09 05:03

An upstanding member of the new core audience Bioware was aiming for.

[jlb524]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Liara fans!

Waxing some goddamn nostalgic here...

How many posters here were active on The Old Board, before ME2's launch?

I've been reading some of those old threads... Man, were the forumites unsympathetic to ME1 LI fans back then! A lot of good people I had nearly forgotten about posted on that forum, and seemingly didn't make it here or have long since moved on. I don't know why, but it makes me sad. Ah, entropy.

I wonder if the Liara fandom will ever fully heal from all the strife it suffered, since the ME2 spoilers started trickling in around mid 2009?

Most Liara fans just don't post here...for various reasons.  Groups seem to be more popular now.

I don't think there was strife before....true Liara fans banded together and have supported her through the dark times that were ME2 and Redemption. 

Now, it seems there are tons of 'OMG, LIARA IS KEWL AGAIN!  GOODBYE TALI!' fans around these parts lately...too many for my tastes.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Didn't alot of people laugh at the ME1 LI fans? Told them that the LI's were just flings or something akin to that. I never posted there myself, but I still read alot of what was posted.

Some of the same people that are today scared of the inevitable cameoing of their ME2 LIs... I'd call it ironic, but...

Here's a lovely little extract I just came across:

Wow.

Are we still on this? ...ReallY?

I hate to come off as insensitive but the people who are still upset about the ME1 love interests not being recruitable squad mates in ME2 should really be over it by now.

that ship has officially sailed, isn't it time to move on?

Judging by the videos and interviews and info that has been released so far, ME2 will probably be a better game than ME1.

I knew that ME1 would be a trilogy before I played ME1. I romanced both Liara and Ashley. My renagade Shepard got with ashley. My Paragon Shepard hooked up with Liara. I intend to carry over both characters to ME2.

during my first playthrough of ME1, when the first Love interests showed up in Shepard's room. I vividly remember thinking: "wow, this is cool... I hope I'm not going to be stuck with this girl for the next game".

I was so relieved to see that we were going to get all new Love interests on the squad!

Shepard is a catch! Shepard is the first human spectre. Shepard is one of the best humanity has to offer. Are there really people out there who want to see Shepard tied down to one love interest or on romantic lockdown for the next 2 or three games??

well, I respect that point of view... I just don't understand it at all.
Edited By lewis_1306 on 12/16/09 05:03

An upstanding member of the new core audience Bioware was aiming for.

I guess when all the old LI's in the game will get cameo'd we can say "Oh snap!" to the same people?

[Mox Ruuga]

jlb524 wrote...

Most Liara fans just don't post here...for various reasons.  Groups seem to be more popular now.

I don't think there was strife before....true Liara fans banded together and have supported her through the dark times that were ME2 and Redemption. 

Now, it seems there are tons of 'OMG, LIARA IS KEWL AGAIN!  GOODBYE TALI!' fans around these parts lately...too many for my tastes.

Heh, touche!

I admit, I lost hope for the character after the double Walters whammy of ME2 and Redemption. I still think the character was damaged by those "stories", and I'm not sure if the damage can ever be fully repaired. But I continued to like Liara as she was in ME1. And I like her again now.

And though I might have said so in anger (can't recall), I didn't dump her (as much as you can "dump" a video game character) for another LI. I just took single Shepards through ME1 before ME2's bad features overwhelmed me and I gave up on the game for half a year or so. It took Liara being born anew in LotSB to pull me back. Guess I just couldn't let her go...  How's that for cheesiness?

I like Miranda, but she's not Liara. And she's not Ashley. And ME2 is not ME1.

Sadly, I don't really have all too high hopes for ME3. It will largely be more of the same ME2esque stuff, I predict.

[Mox Ruuga]

Lizardviking wrote...

I guess when all the old LI's in the game will get cameo'd we can say "Oh snap!" to the same people?

There's a thread titled:

"I'm actually kind of glad there aren't ME1 LIs in ME2"

That I'm thinking of creating for the "benefit" of a few people, when the inevitable cameoing news hits the forums sometime next year.

Recreating, I should say. Delicious.

[jlb524]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Heh, touche!

I admit, I lost hope for the character after the double Walters whammy of ME2 and Redemption. I still think the character was damaged by those "stories", and I'm not sure if the damage can ever be fully repaired. But I continued to like Liara as she was in ME1. And I like her again now.

And though I might have said so in anger (can't recall), I didn't dump her (as much as you can "dump" a video game character) for another LI. I just took single Shepards through ME1 before ME2's bad features overwhelmed me and I gave up on the game for half a year or so. It took Liara being born anew in LotSB to pull me back. Guess I just couldn't let her go...  How's that for cheesiness?

I like Miranda, but she's not Liara. And she's not Ashley. And ME2 is not ME1.

Sadly, I don't really have all too high hopes for ME3. It will largely be more of the same ME2esque stuff, I predict.

What changed?  That makes no sense...Liara in LotSB is way closer to ME2 Liara than she is to ME1 Liara.  

I just don't get how you can go from liking her in ME1, hating her character and bashing her b/c of ME2 (not talking Redemption as that's a piece of crap anyway), then liking her again in LotSB, in which she pretty much acted the same as she did all throughout ME2. 

Modifié par jlb524, 21 octobre 2010 - 08:35 .

[jtav]

I'll defend my pet ME2 characters to the death. In a weird way, this includes Liara, because I only liked her once the SB plot was introduced. I'd hate to choose between her and Miranda. Fortunately I don't have to.

[bjdbwea]

We still don't know who will be companions in ME 3 and who will not. I still suspect that many changes in ME 2 were due to the planned PS 3 version (since those gamers apparently can't play ME 1). Maybe there were other reasons as well why the ME 1 companions weren't approved for ME 2 anymore. So it could be that the ME 2 companions will be the ME 3 companions too.

I for one would not care either way as long as there's some sort of proper continuation and conclusion to Liara's story and romance (proper in my opinion means that there has to be the chance for a happy ending).

Modifié par bjdbwea, 21 octobre 2010 - 08:43 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I guess when all the old LI's in the game will get cameo'd we can say "Oh snap!" to the same people?

There's a thread titled:

"I'm actually kind of glad there aren't ME1 LIs in ME2"

That I'm thinking of creating for the "benefit" of a few people, when the inevitable cameoing news hits the forums sometime next year.

Recreating, I should say. Delicious.

I would <3 if you created a thread entilted "i'm glad ME1/2 LI's are not in ME3" only to then when the hate falls upon you to point out the hypocrisy.

But my terrible humor aside. I can understand and support that all players get's satisfying conclusions to their romance in ME3, it's the last part afterall.

I really dislike the fairweather Liara fans, bandwagon-jumpers with
absolutely no sense of loyalty or dedication at all. Surprise,
surprise...they've all magically reappeared following LotSB's release!
That really was unexpected.

Total coincidence.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 21 octobre 2010 - 08:46 .

[fortunesque]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I really do love the loyal, faithful Liara fans that stuck by her character through the dark times, and were willing to endure the periods of unease and uncertainty.

I really dislike the fairweather Liara fans, bandwagon-jumpers with absolutely no sense of loyalty or dedication at all. Surprise, surprise...they've all magically reappeared following LotSB's release! That really was unexpected.

Pseudo-Liara fans. No credibility at all.

Really? Is this really the elitist attitude of ME1 Liara fans? I certainly hope not. 

So you dislike me, along with a bunch of people who didn't particularly care for Liara in ME1 for one reason or another that ended up liking her in ME2, most notably from her LotSB dlc. 

And if someone comes back to Liara because of the dlc, then shouldn't people be glad that they finally get to share with others now much they like her?

[Mox Ruuga]

jlb524 wrote...

What changed?  That makes no sense...Liara in LotSB is way closer to ME2 Liara than she is to ME1 Liara.  

I just don't get how you can go from liking her in ME1, hating her character and bashing her b/c of ME2 (not talking Redemption as that's a piece of crap anyway), then liking her again in LotSB, in which she pretty much acted the same as she did all throughout ME2. 

The writing improved. The voice acting improved. Even the presentation improved. They gave us what many of us wanted, what we deserved, all the fanservice we were left without when we had the two cold fishes talking to each other like it was another day at the office, between hacking missions. It felt like Liara and Shepard again.

Presentation and continuity matters to me, I was never one to excuse poor writing as "it's not the character's fault if she has a poor writer". The character is the character. If you assing a poor writer to a character, then the character suffers. I can't "wish away" Redemption or blather about "coffee cups".

For me, it was as if Liara finally woke up in LotSB. Or snapped out from a bout of madness. Changed, but now recognizably Liara. There was credible emotion in LotSB, when there was none in ME2. And there is still none in the vanilla ME2 content.

Besides, I can't say I "hated" hated her character. I just considered her a total loss. And I never stopped appreciating the ME1 era Liara, even though I might have said that in anger as well. That might sound contradictory with the above, but it's like having fond memories of someone who was a lovely person a few years ago, but went insane and unrecognizable in later days, and your friendship was destroyed because of that. You care for the person that the maniac used to be.

And yes, Shepard improved in LotSB as well. For one s/he was no longer a cold fish.

[TMA LIVE]

Does anyone know if Mac ever went on record of writing Liara's scene in ME2? Like is there a link to a credit or something? Or did people just assume he wrote the scene because he wrote the story for Redemption?

[Mox Ruuga]

fortunesque wrote...

Really? Is this really the elitist attitude of ME1 Liara fans? I certainly hope not. 

So you dislike me, along with a bunch of people who didn't particularly care for Liara in ME1 for one reason or another that ended up liking her in ME2, most notably from her LotSB dlc. 

And if someone comes back to Liara because of the dlc, then shouldn't people be glad that they finally get to share with others now much they like her?

They don't sneer upon you, since you aren't a returning fan but potential new one.

It's us repentant apostates on the line of fire.

I don't begrudge them the emotion. I'd wager its catharctic.

[Mox Ruuga]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Does anyone know if Mac ever went on record of writing Liara's scene in ME2? Like is there a link to a credit or something? Or did people just assume he wrote the scene because he wrote the story for Redemption?

I think it was stated that he took over Liara from Drew in the old forums... I'm burrowing through there, if I come upon it I'll post the relevant quote here. But there are thousands upon thousands of posts...

[fortunesque]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Really? Is this really the elitist attitude of ME1 Liara fans? I certainly hope not. 

So you dislike me, along with a bunch of people who didn't particularly care for Liara in ME1 for one reason or another that ended up liking her in ME2, most notably from her LotSB dlc. 

And if someone comes back to Liara because of the dlc, then shouldn't people be glad that they finally get to share with others now much they like her?

They don't sneer upon you, since you aren't a returning fan but potential new one.

It's us repentant apostates on the line of fire.

I don't begrudge them the emotion. I'd wager its catharctic.

But it's unfair. Just sayin' Good to see you taking it in stride I guess. 

I liked her in LotSB. At least *someone* wanted to be Shepard's friend 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

fortunesque wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I really do love the loyal, faithful Liara fans that stuck by her character through the dark times, and were willing to endure the periods of unease and uncertainty.

I really dislike the fairweather Liara fans, bandwagon-jumpers with absolutely no sense of loyalty or dedication at all. Surprise, surprise...they've all magically reappeared following LotSB's release! That really was unexpected.

Pseudo-Liara fans. No credibility at all.

Really? Is this really the elitist attitude of ME1 Liara fans? I certainly hope not. 

So you dislike me, along with a bunch of people who didn't particularly care for Liara in ME1 for one reason or another that ended up liking her in ME2, most notably from her LotSB dlc. 

And if someone comes back to Liara because of the dlc, then shouldn't people be glad that they finally get to share with others now much they like her?

Don't know about you. But it makes me facepalm at times when I read post made from users who completely flamed the character, then after LOTSB they went all "Wow Liara is totally KEWL N RADICAL!!!oneoneone!".

[fortunesque]

Lizardviking wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I really do love the loyal, faithful Liara fans that stuck by her character through the dark times, and were willing to endure the periods of unease and uncertainty.

I really dislike the fairweather Liara fans, bandwagon-jumpers with absolutely no sense of loyalty or dedication at all. Surprise, surprise...they've all magically reappeared following LotSB's release! That really was unexpected.

Pseudo-Liara fans. No credibility at all.

Really? Is this really the elitist attitude of ME1 Liara fans? I certainly hope not. 

So you dislike me, along with a bunch of people who didn't particularly care for Liara in ME1 for one reason or another that ended up liking her in ME2, most notably from her LotSB dlc. 

And if someone comes back to Liara because of the dlc, then shouldn't people be glad that they finally get to share with others now much they like her?

Don't know about you. But it makes me facepalm at times when I read post made from users who completely flamed the character, then after LOTSB they went all "Wow Liara is totally KEWL N RADICAL!!!oneoneone!".

Yeah, but shouldn't you be happy then that your ranks have been added to? 

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Liara fans!

Waxing some goddamn nostalgic here...

How many posters here were active on The Old Board, before ME2's launch?

I've been reading some of those old threads... Man, were the forumites unsympathetic to ME1 LI fans back then! A lot of good people I had nearly forgotten about posted on that forum, and seemingly didn't make it here or have long since moved on. I don't know why, but it makes me sad. Ah, entropy.

I wonder if the Liara fandom will ever fully heal from all the strife it suffered, since the ME2 spoilers started trickling in around mid 2009?

Most Liara fans just don't post here...for various reasons.  Groups seem to be more popular now.

I don't think there was strife before....true Liara fans banded together and have supported her through the dark times that were ME2 and Redemption. 

Now, it seems there are tons of 'OMG, LIARA IS KEWL AGAIN!  GOODBYE TALI!' fans around these parts lately...too many for my tastes.

Though I agree with people that only like Liara for now, and will forget about her later (and might replace her in ME3), I don't really like the "LOYALTY BADGE" fans way of treating Liara as just a reward that they deserve more.

I'm not going to name names, but most of the time, I run into something like this:

"SEE! SEE MY SIGNATURE! THAT'S MY LOYALTY BADGE! I DESERVE MORE! THOSE UNLOYAL OR NEW FAN ****S DON'T DESERVE ANYTHING! I SPENT 7 MONTHS BEING LOYAL! SEE THERE'S MY BADGE! IT MEANS I'M SPECIAL! (though I still did the Samara romance and the Kelly romance, but I'm just not going to tell anyone that... Besides, they don't count...)"

I mean, shouldn't they be more happy that Liara was actually given some good written scenes, and not the "THEY MUST PAY!" crap we got before, since that was the main problem?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 21 octobre 2010 - 09:28 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

What changed?  That makes no sense...Liara in LotSB is way closer to ME2 Liara than she is to ME1 Liara.  

I just don't get how you can go from liking her in ME1, hating her character and bashing her b/c of ME2 (not talking Redemption as that's a piece of crap anyway), then liking her again in LotSB, in which she pretty much acted the same as she did all throughout ME2. 

The writing improved. The voice acting improved. Even the presentation improved. They gave us what many of us wanted, what we deserved, all the fanservice we were left without when we had the two cold fishes talking to each other like it was another day at the office, between hacking missions. It felt like Liara and Shepard again.

Presentation and continuity matters to me, I was never one to excuse poor writing as "it's not the character's fault if she has a poor writer". The character is the character. If you assing a poor writer to a character, then the character suffers. I can't "wish away" Redemption or blather about "coffee cups".

For me, it was as if Liara finally woke up in LotSB. Or snapped out from a bout of madness. Changed, but now recognizably Liara. There was credible emotion in LotSB, when there was none in ME2. And there is still none in the vanilla ME2 content.

Besides, I can't say I "hated" hated her character. I just considered her a total loss. And I never stopped appreciating the ME1 era Liara, even though I might have said that in anger as well. That might sound contradictory with the above, but it's like having fond memories of someone who was a lovely person a few years ago, but went insane and unrecognizable in later days, and your friendship was destroyed because of that. You care for the person that the maniac used to be.

And yes, Shepard improved in LotSB as well. For one s/he was no longer a cold fish.

I used the "it's the writers fault" excuse. Mostly because how OOC both Shepard and Liara acted in the scene, it made abseloutly no sense at all for why Shepard acted like he did during the scene.

Also, I discovered a magic potion that makes you forget about bad works of fiction (ME:Redemption , star wars prequel, the happening).

It's called bleach.

[Foley2222]

To be honest tho that just proves how well Lair Of The Shadow Broker was written, that people who gave up on Liara now found that she had changed..i for one was devastated when i first walked into see Liara in me2 tho i stayed loyal to her.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

fortunesque wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I really do love the loyal, faithful Liara fans that stuck by her character through the dark times, and were willing to endure the periods of unease and uncertainty.

I really dislike the fairweather Liara fans, bandwagon-jumpers with absolutely no sense of loyalty or dedication at all. Surprise, surprise...they've all magically reappeared following LotSB's release! That really was unexpected.

Pseudo-Liara fans. No credibility at all.

Really? Is this really the elitist attitude of ME1 Liara fans? I certainly hope not. 

So you dislike me, along with a bunch of people who didn't particularly care for Liara in ME1 for one reason or another that ended up liking her in ME2, most notably from her LotSB dlc. 

And if someone comes back to Liara because of the dlc, then shouldn't people be glad that they finally get to share with others now much they like her?

Don't know about you. But it makes me facepalm at times when I read post made from users who completely flamed the character, then after LOTSB they went all "Wow Liara is totally KEWL N RADICAL!!!oneoneone!".

Yeah, but shouldn't you be happy then that your ranks have been added to? 

I'm definetly happy to see more people liking character. After all, if the Tali group is any indication, then a large fan group WILL definetly increase the odds of getting your character into the spotlight.

But that still doesn't prevent from rolling my eyes at times.